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I was wondering if anyone could give me some insight into what the most frequently recommended/required medical school textbooks are? Are there some textbooks that "every medical student uses" or that "every medical school requires?" I know that every school is going to be different, but are there some textbooks that tend to keep popping up in curricula? This is for an undergraduate research project and I'm just looking for some primary sources. Thanks for any help!
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Don't use anything but Netters and step 1 prep books. Everything else will be covered in your lecture slides
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I personally disagree with both of the previous posters. It isn't a given that you will have lecturers who include 'everything' in their powerpoints. There will always be things you want you want to know that they haven't told you. You also won't find a comprehensive list of books, mainly because different people prefer different texts. The general consensus on SDN is that Step 1 prep books should be used as primary texts for learning. I disagree.
Texts I used (but I didn't real each of them all the way through, only the physiology, EKG, and most of Robbins): Big Robbins Cecil Medicine Nelson's Pediatrics Mark's Basic Biochemistry Dubin's Rapid Interpretation of EKGs Vander's Renal Physiology Linda Costanzo's Physiology John West Respiratory Physiology: The Essentials I own more but I can't think of them off the top of my head. I used these books because I like to learn from prose. I don't like to learn from powerpoint slides that contain lists and bulletpoints. Some of these books are absolutely overboard for a second year medical student (especially Cecil and Nelson's), but they still helped to lay a solid foundation for me. To each his own. |
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Based on reading various posts and blogs, here are some of the common textbooks that keep popping up: Anatomy Atlas: Thieme (Gilroy), Netters, Rohen, Grays Atlas Anatomy Text: Moore's, Gray's Anatomy for Students Anatomy Dissector: Grant's Biochem: Lippincott's, Harper's, Lehringer Embryology: Langman Histology: Junqueira Immunology/Microbiology: Lange Pathology: Big Robbins, Middle Robbins Pharm: Katzung Physio: Costanzo, Guyton And for review for Step 1: First Aid, RR Pathology (Goljan) Pathoma BRS Physio + Cases BRS Behavioral Science Lippincotts Pharm (Illustrated) And question banks for Step 1: UWorld Kaplan Qbank USMLERx + NBME's |
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If you want primary sources, try Big Robbins (path), Guyton (physio), and Lippincott (biochem). And if you want to quote anatomy, I suppose you could use Gray's.
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Blah, I digress. In any event, the only actual texts (i.e., non-review books) I'd recommend would be Costanzo's Phys text and baby Robbins. Langman's embryo is hit-or-miss by section: some are mind-bendingly unreadable, while some are indispensable. I hear good things about Katzung's pharm text, but it's freaking giant. I'd be careful of that one. If you're counting anatomy atlases as texts, Rohen's was easily my favorite, but people seem to like Thieme's these days, as well. Last edited by MilkmanAl; 05-03-2012 at 03:50 PM. |
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I don't use any books, just the syllabus, Uptodate, and Wikipedia. However, I know a lot of students use BRS Physio, Lippincott Biochem, and Pathoma/Rapid Review for pathology. I personally would never buy a real textbook (non-review books). Way too much information that you probably don't need.
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I actually really like big robbins but I will admit you absolutely shouldn't need it. Just some additional info.
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I've purchased some textbooks, they aren't going to improve your grades or anything like that BUT I do like being able to look things up from time to time and a well written textbook at the proper level of depth is better than Wikipedia. So, I would recommend textbooks for things you have interest in, rather than in attempt to do "better" in medical school. |
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RR Pathology by Goljan
BRS Physiology or the actualy text Physiology by Costanzo Netter That is all. |
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Some of the texts mentioned here are too much, but ill make a list
Basic Science: Anatomy - Clinical Anatomy by Moore. useful even in clinical years during surgery Physiology - Costanzo Physiology is all you need Histo - WebPath online is free at most schools, dont buy a book Biochem - definitely don't buy a book. WebPath, First Aid, Goljan should be enough Embryology - Theres a embryology website based out of France (in English) thats very good Neuroanatomy - I heard Clinical Neuroantomy made ridiculously simple is good. Otherwise WebPath Pathology - Robbins Basic Pathology. Big robbins is way way to much. Pathophysiology - Lange Pathophysiology is a great reference text Pharmacology - First Aid + Physiology text + Golan Pharmacology as reference Clinical Years: Medicine Handbook + Netter's Internal Medicine: should cover surgery, medicine, neurology Nelsons Essential Pediatrics - baby version of mammoth book should cover peds Case Files for every rotation on top + UWorld |
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I really don't learn from my schools bulleted powerpoints and lectures (I was a Poli Sci major in undergrad). Not really having a strong background in the foundational principals of biological science (never took biochecem, cell bio, et cetera), I found I really needed the texts. This was really key. After a very brief foundations course, we jumped into organ systems and pharmacology (which I found to be a bit awkward) in first year, so getting this base knowledge down was critical.
That being said, here are the books I really liked. Immunology: Basic Immunology by Abbas. 200 pages long. Lots of pictures and charts. Very well organized. Pharm: I liked Katzungs Pharmacology, Examination and Board Review. Shorter than the text of the same name. Lots of well described pictures. Has MC review questions at the end. Microbiology: Levinson. Lots of color pics and review questions. Also, CMMS is good. Anatomy: I liked Gray's for students. Lots of pictures, easy to read prose, lots of well organized charts. I didn't find Netter's very useful (too detailed and all of those arrows are confusing). The anatomy curriculum at my school lacked decent organization (there was almost no lecture component, and most of the cadavers were 2 years old and tough to learn from). Hemeatology for the Med Student and Heme in Clinical practice were both very good. For physio, I tended to go for the shorter, system-specific, books. They tend to be to the point, have well described pictures (and companion websites), and fit easily in a backpack. There are two books I liked a lot: Resipratory Physiology: A Clinical Approach and Cardiovascular Physiology: A Clinical Approach. There is also a Renal Physiology in the same series that just came out, which I have not yet reviewed. Also, there is a website, cvphysiology.com, which is excellent. He also has a book, which is well written and easy to understand. I also liked GI by Barrett (she has a sense of humor tucked in to some of her prose). Costanzo's is also really good. Biochem: Lippencotts is ok. I thought it was a bit dense. Goljan Rapid Review was a nice addition. The Medical Biochemistry Page (http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/index.php) is also very well done. Neuroanatomy: We had a good sylabus. However, I liked Neuroanatomy Through Clinical Cases. Clinical Neuroanatomy by Gilman is a nice 200 page review. Last edited by ucladoc2b; 05-04-2012 at 09:41 AM. |
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Agree with most of the books posted above. I would add:
Anatomy - Rohen's Color Atlas of Anatomy: Cadaver images, very helpful when you *don't* want to go into the lab. Physiology: I found pulmonary and renal physiology difficult, and felt like I really understood them after reading the two books below, both written at the MS1/MS2 level: -West, Pulmonary Physiology and Pathophysiology (case-based) -Rennke and Denker, Renal Pathophysiology, The Essentials. -Also, the clinical rotations classic Marino's The ICU Book, which will definitely be a reference I continue to use. |
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I didn't want to be the first one to say it, but I can't believe that medical students use Wikipedia as a primary resource and actually trust it more than a text written specifically to address a certain topic. Mind boggling, really.
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I mean, I didn't use a whole lot of texts first and second year, but I did get Case Files for every clinical rotation and Blueprints/Step-up/First Aid for a few that they were good for.
A bunch of us students just bought the best books for whatever their first rotation was, then traded them around to each other as we went through those rotations. |
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Might as ask here because I am struggling to find a good pathophys book. I am stuck between the one quoted above, and clinical pathophysiology made ridiculously simple. I am favoring the latter, but I am not sure how "complete" the book is, especially when compared to the Lange Pahophys book. Could someone compare/contrast the 2 books?
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For micro - Clinical Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple
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Anatomy: Rohen +/- Netter
Physio: BRS (it's also written by Constanzo, but it's shorter) Path: Big Robbins and Pathoma For step I, besides FA and UWorld, I also used Pathoma, HY neuroanatomy, and BRS behavioral science (only for ethics and biostats) Edit: I also thumed through Deja review biochem, BRS physio, and HY anatomy (only certain parts) |
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I would use First Aid and Kaplan Lecture Notes in addition to 1 or more question banks. You have to buy the Kaplan lecture notes on Ebay though, unless you take a Kaplan course.
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Any comments on medium vs big Robbins?
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Both cover the same information, but I felt Big Robbins, due to its larger size, fleshed out difficult concepts better. If you've been reading the New Yorker since high school, majored in the humanities in UG, or went to a LAC, Big Robbins is probably a good fit.
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I would say the only books that everybody has are first aid for step 1 and maxwells.
Other than that it depends on what you like. Differently people learn better from different types of presentations. Frankly, I found it incredibly useful for different people in my study group to have different text books. The only time we looked at text books was when notes and syllabi didn't make sense and reading the same information phrased a bunch of different ways (one from syllabus and one from each textbook) was extremely helpful. So... to answer your actual question, no, there isn't a most often recommended primary text book, use whatever you can find in a library out of everything above. For citation purposes, you probably want the "big" version of the various books. My school recommended a number of different text books for each class knowing that different students would learn better from different books.
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i heard buy kaplan medessentials book and first aid before going into medical school, and incorporate them into your studies as you progress through the first 2 years.
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i think its just better to buy kaplan medessentials. has all the books in one book, and has the most important thing drawn out from the lecture notes in this one book
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Only textbook I really got a lot out of was costanzo's physio book. Tho West's respiratory phys was good too.
Most of the books I use are for questions - so BRS, Pre-test, gray's anatomy Q book, rapid review etc
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I'm in the anti-textbook camp, but would definitely say Rapid Review for Path, and maybe BRS for Physio.
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Awesome, thanks guys. These textbooks wouldn't be for me trying to actually learn the material, but rather it's for a research project regarding how medical textbooks are written. This was all super helpful.
In addition, I was wondering if anyone knew if there are any books that cover bedside manner? I know this question is kind of strange, but do textbooks that teach bedside manner actually exist? Or is it something that doctors are just expected to learn through experience and through other doctors? Is it something that is included in medical school curricula? Thanks again everyone. |
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