The Official 8/17/2012 MCAT Thread

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Let's all dread this date together!


How/when are you guys studying? (i.e. SN2ed, Kaplan, TBR)


EDIT: I'm attaching simple charts I made to keep track of my progress for each set of passages for the SN2ed schedule. Its helpful to monitor how you are progressing and will show you what areas to work on. ENJOY

Started to adjust (i.e., getting my ass kicked) to passages.

Originally Posted by docelh

Started to adjust (i.e., getting my ass kicked) to passages.

Exactly my thoughts right now! I'm doing the SN2ed plan, so I've barely made a dent. What books are you using?

Following SN2 schedule. Started Monday and today was my break day but decided to break the "reread - ek 1001 - in class exam" into 2 days. Going alright but bad passage results are a downer.

Originally Posted by LaurenMarie

Exactly my thoughts right now! I'm doing the SN2ed plan, so I've barely made a dent. What books are you using?

I'm doing a modified SN2 strategy to adjust for the following. I needed a 2-week break after finals. Besides ECs and a little bit of a social life, I have no other commitments beyond MCAT prep. That said, I've concentrated all my EC commitments on one day each week, so it will be an exhausting day. It will be pretty pathetic if I'm not ready for the test in August, but it's a distinct possibility!

Here's the exact materials I have:

1. EK 1001: Gen Chem, O-chem, Physics.
2. EK 101 VR Passages.
3. TPR Hyperlearning Verbal Workbook.
4. TPR Hyperlearning Biological Sciences.
5. TBR: All four science subjects.
6. 9 past GMAT reading comprehension tests. Given to me by somebody else.


After taking a couple of of the Physics passages, I clearly understand that while we need to review the science material, it shouldn't be the main focus.

VR has been pretty humbling in my experience. I've done extremely well in SAT verbal and consider myself a good reader. Experimented with different approaches, settled on one. What's really frustrating to me is that it seems that there is little coherence in what should be the right answer. For some answers, the right answer is justified by what is explicitly in the passage (worded differently). For other right answers, gratuitous statements are made in them that can't be backed up by the text directly or indirectly. Here's an example of a right answer from an EK passage:

Right Answer: Though state hospital costs compose the bulk of New York's costs, these costs will be relatively unaffected by changing to a competitive system.

This would have been my preferred choice, however, nowhere in the passage was it conclusively stated or inferred that hospital costs were the bulk of the state's expenditures. So I didn't choose it. Yet I was wrong. And in other questions, they justify the right answer based on direct/indirect support in the passage. Someone shoot me.

Originally Posted by wrummingsjr

Following SN2 schedule. Started Monday and today was my break day but decided to break the "reread - ek 1001 - in class exam" into 2 days. Going alright but bad passage results are a downer.

I know exactly what you mean! I honestly want a 36+, but right now I am pretty convinced that I will get < 30.

Oh, and I'm beginning to wonder if at the end of the sn2ed schedule, after starting FLs, if its better to do a full day of EK 1001 before the last 1/3 BR. I mean, those are the last practice passages that we will get.. so shouldn't we nail the concepts before going through those?

Originally Posted by docelh

After taking a couple of of the Physics passages, I clearly understand that while we need to review the science material, it shouldn't be the main focus.

I'm noticing that a bit too. I've noticed that its (obviously) really important to know the equations like the back of your hand, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what to really focus on other than that. What do you think?

Originally Posted by docelh

VR has been pretty humbling in my experience. I've done extremely well in SAT verbal and consider myself a good reader. Experimented with different approaches, settled on one. What's really frustrating to me is that it seems that there is little coherence in what should be the right answer. For some answers, the right answer is justified by what is explicitly in the passage (worded differently). For other right answers, gratuitous statements are made in them that can't be backed up by the text directly or indirectly. Here's an example of a right answer from an EK passage:

Right Answer: Though state hospital costs compose the bulk of New York's costs, these costs will be relatively unaffected by changing to a competitive system.

This would have been my preferred choice, however, nowhere in the passage was it conclusively stated or inferred that hospital costs were the bulk of the state's expenditures. So I didn't choose it. Yet I was wrong. And in other questions, they justify the right answer based on direct/indirect support in the passage. Someone shoot me.

I've noticed things like that too! VR is stressing me out It seems like I'll never figure out a strategy for it. What approach is everyone else using for VR?

I'm taking 8/17 as well. I started SN2's plan on Monday. Physics has identified itself as a glaring weakness. Good luck to all!!

Originally Posted by curt656

I'm taking 8/17 as well. I started SN2's plan on Monday. Physics has identified itself as a glaring weakness. Good luck to all!!

Good luck to you as well!

Physics Ch 1 was a slap in the face to me. I just can't manage my time with all of the calculations. I'm really struggling to be able to "estimate" the value of some of the more complex fractions. That was my problem with Gen Chem ch 1 as well. Do/did you struggle with that as well?

whats up guys! on day 4 on the sn2ed schedule. so far gen chem has given me problem. org was by far easiest for me (finished passages in <5 minutes and got 2 wrong at most on each.. should of used the rest of the 2 min to look it over lol.. oh well).

will do bio tomorrow. kind of worried about that. seems like a pain to go over. my VR sucks as well haha

Originally Posted by lolcat

whats up guys! on day 4 on the sn2ed schedule. so far gen chem has given me problem. org was by far easiest for me (finished passages in <5 minutes and got 2 wrong at most on each.. should of used the rest of the 2 min to look it over lol.. oh well).

will do bio tomorrow. kind of worried about that. seems like a pain to go over. my VR sucks as well haha

I'm doing chapter 1 Bio tomorrow too! We might be somewhat on the same schedule for a little while (I took out all the break days to give myself time at the end to cover any weak points)

I agree though! Gen chem ch 1 was tough! I had a hard time trying to estimate the more complex fractions. O chem was much better! I'm pretty worried for bio. I took bio 2 years go

Lol me too... its been a while since I took bio. Just skimmed over and we're starting with the nervous system.. just great haha. I'm going to stick with BR bio thought instead of EK. I heard EK is too brief.. I'll just read that during my leisure time, and stick with BR for the schedule

Originally Posted by lolcat

Lol me too... its been a while since I took bio. Just skimmed over and we're starting with the nervous system.. just great haha. I'm going to stick with BR bio thought instead of EK. I heard EK is too brief.. I'll just read that during my leisure time, and stick with BR for the schedule

Yeah I read that some people said BR was way too in depth, but EK was too brief. I might focus on EK then supplement with BR. Plus, many people say that EK is sufficient for what is covered on the MCAT.

Ughh.. I'm just terrified for all of it!

are you guys all applying this cycle?

Originally Posted by UMDoc2Be

are you guys all applying this cycle?

I'm applying next cycle. I still have 2 years of undergrad. I'm taking it this summer because I want a FULL summer to dedicate to MCAT studying because I know I won't be able to sufficiently prepare while in school.

Originally Posted by LaurenMarie

Yeah I read that some people said BR was way too in depth, but EK was too brief. I might focus on EK then supplement with BR. Plus, many people say that EK is sufficient for what is covered on the MCAT.

Ughh.. I'm just terrified for all of it!

I'll see how it goes with BR. I don't want to get killed.. esp on a Monday lol. If things get rough I'll just switch to EK.

Just finished Day 8... before starting the 2/3 passages I felt fairly confident with the content but now that I've completed them I feel as if nothing was retained. Upsetting.

Originally Posted by wrummingsjr

Just finished Day 8... before starting the 2/3 passages I felt fairly confident with the content but now that I've completed them I feel as if nothing was retained. Upsetting.

So it was not knowing the material well enough that got you? Not the passages? EK 1001 should help with that! I'm hoping that my 2nd 1/3 doesn't discourage me too much. I'm just trying to remind myself that everyone else is facing the same thing.

Just set up my study plan and looking to target this date. I will be be using a combination of TBR and EK. EK + audio Osmosis to run through the material once in ~10 days or so and then TBR for a while with last month dedicated to practice exams. We'll see- good luck guys!


Oh and I am also applying next cycle, like others in this thread I wanted to dedicate an entire summer just to this exam. We got this

Originally Posted by LaurenMarie

Good luck to you as well!

Physics Ch 1 was a slap in the face to me. I just can't manage my time with all of the calculations. I'm really struggling to be able to "estimate" the value of some of the more complex fractions. That was my problem with Gen Chem ch 1 as well. Do/did you struggle with that as well?

I am having a problem remembering all the formulas and how to put them together. Projectile motion is something I am really struggling with. With Gen Chem, its difficult to do stoichiometry in my head. Will we be able to use a pencil and scratch paper during the exam??

Originally Posted by LaurenMarie

I'm applying next cycle. I still have 2 years of undergrad. I'm taking it this summer because I want a FULL summer to dedicate to MCAT studying because I know I won't be able to sufficiently prepare while in school.

I am doing the same exact thing, lol. I just want this out of the way so I can concentrate on my application next summer.

Originally Posted by curt656

I am having a problem remembering all the formulas and how to put them together. Projectile motion is something I am really struggling with. With Gen Chem, its difficult to do stoichiometry in my head. Will we be able to use a pencil and scratch paper during the exam??

Yes, I believe they supply scratch paper and a pencil. I have the same issue. I can't do the stoichiometry in my head. I have to keep track of the units on paper.

Do any of you guys hate Physics as much as I do? Ughh. I just can't stand the subject. It bores the crap out of me. I'm currently working on circular motion and I want to scream. Haha

How is the studying going for everyone else?

Originally Posted by LaurenMarie

Do any of you guys hate Physics as much as I do? Ughh. I just can't stand the subject. It bores the crap out of me. I'm currently working on circular motion and I want to scream. Haha

lol, I enjoy physics, chem, and orgo. But I absolutely hate biology. With physics, chem, and orgo, there's always an explanation and once you understand the underlying principles, the questions become pretty easy. But with bio, it's basically all memorization, which I'm pretty bad at lol.

Originally Posted by osprey099

lol, I enjoy physics, chem, and orgo. But I absolutely hate biology. With physics, chem, and orgo, there's always an explanation and once you understand the underlying principles, the questions become pretty easy. But with bio, it's basically all memorization, which I'm pretty bad at lol.

Same here. I can do physics, but I just find it hard to stay focused when I don't really care about the subject. On the other hand, I find bio interesting, but I'm ridiculously scared for the bio section. I have the hardest time trying to memorize the terms and it doesn't help that I had bio almost 3 years ago

I'm putting together all of the excel/word documents that I'm using to organize my SN2ed study plan. I attached a few to the first post on this thread. Let me know if you find them useful!

I'm in this category as well and am also doing the SN2ed study schedule.

Unfortunately, because of it, I do not have time to post much more than this right now! Hopefully when I get caught up (I'm 4 days behind), I can contribute a little more to this conversation because I'm curious as to how everyone else is feeling about this schedule so far and about how many hours per day you're needing to complete everything (assuming you're doing so). The first chapters for GChem and OChem were ridiculously long and required me to take two days to complete so I don't see how we are supposed to go through the entire chapter, review the previous day's problems, complete 2 verbal, and review the previous day's verbal.
(GChem I am lacking due to being over a year since I've seen it, while OChem is very strong and I was able to get about 80% of all first 1/3 passages correct - but still took me two days to get through the BR material)

Talk to you soon and good luck to everyone!

Originally Posted by nixm01

I'm in this category as well and am also doing the SN2ed study schedule.

Unfortunately, because of it, I do not have time to post much more than this right now! Hopefully when I get caught up (I'm 4 days behind), I can contribute a little more to this conversation because I'm curious as to how everyone else is feeling about this schedule so far and about how many hours per day you're needing to complete everything (assuming you're doing so). The first chapters for GChem and OChem were ridiculously long and required me to take two days to complete so I don't see how we are supposed to go through the entire chapter, review the previous day's problems, complete 2 verbal, and review the previous day's verbal.
(GChem I am lacking due to being over a year since I've seen it, while OChem is very strong and I was able to get about 80% of all first 1/3 passages correct - but still took me two days to get through the BR material)

Talk to you soon and good luck to everyone!

I've kept up with the schedule to a tee thus far but it is very time consuming. As of now I am using TBR and EK101 for verbal passages and am completing 4 a day. I begin the day around 9AM and review the previous day passages before beginning the new set and then I move on to reviewing the previous day's practice passages. All of this takes about 3.5hours for me.

I then move on to the chapter of the day and finish by 6 or 7 with reading/notes/passages (usually earlier with biology, EK Bio is like a day off for me).

I find the schedule to be very nice in structure and I'm hoping that once FL time comes around it will show results. TBR passages are quite hard at first but after reviewing them it begins to make much more sense. On top of all this independent work I am enrolled in an on-site Kaplan course which I attend Tuesday/Thursday from 7-10PM. I'm using the class as an additional supplement to review the topics I've covered (I started SN2'd schedule with enough time ahead so I would always have completed the topic of discussion for the days class). The chapters can be done in a day fairly easily but that is if you have no other obligations (I'm a slow, attentive reader so I tend to take longer to read and understand a chapter).

With all this each day goes by very, very fast surprisingly.. my 3 month old chocolate lab helps for a break every once in awhile

Originally Posted by wrummingsjr

I've kept up with the schedule to a tee thus far but it is very time consuming. As of now I am using TBR and EK101 for verbal passages and am completing 4 a day. I begin the day around 9AM and review the previous day passages before beginning the new set and then I move on to reviewing the previous day's practice passages. All of this takes about 3.5hours for me.

I then move on to the chapter of the day and finish by 6 or 7 with reading/notes/passages (usually earlier with biology, EK Bio is like a day off for me).

I find the schedule to be very nice in structure and I'm hoping that once FL time comes around it will show results. TBR passages are quite hard at first but after reviewing them it begins to make much more sense. On top of all this independent work I am enrolled in an on-site Kaplan course which I attend Tuesday/Thursday from 7-10PM. I'm using the class as an additional supplement to review the topics I've covered (I started SN2'd schedule with enough time ahead so I would always have completed the topic of discussion for the days class). The chapters can be done in a day fairly easily but that is if you have no other obligations (I'm a slow, attentive reader so I tend to take longer to read and understand a chapter).

With all this each day goes by very, very fast surprisingly.. my 3 month old chocolate lab helps for a break every once in awhile

EK bio is the exact opposite for me. It could be because I took the bio that focused on the molecular and genetic portion of bio almost 3 years ago. Even then I didn't strive to really understand the material. The first EK lesson took me really long to get through, then after that the BR passages on enzymes kicked my ***.

I definitely agree that this makes the days go extremely fast! I honestly feel that I don't have as much time as I would like to spend on each section.

thanks for the documents!

Originally Posted by lolcat

thanks for the documents!

No problem! Check out the link in my signature. I posted some blank answer sheets for the EK 1001 problems. It helps me keep track of which ones I've done.

Hi everyone,

I'm using the TPR books and EK 101 passages for VR. VR is kicking my ass =( gotta step up and kick it in the crotch!

I recently purchased both TPRH Verbal/Science Workbooks. I'm incorporating the Verbal Workbook in my daily schedule of 4 passages/day but is anyone else using the TPRH Science Workbook? Almost 1000pages of passages at my disposal, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to incorporate them in my schedule (SN2ed).

Originally Posted by MD2be1001

Hi everyone,

I'm using the TPR books and EK 101 passages for VR. VR is kicking my ass =( gotta step up and kick it in the crotch!

Don't worry! You're not alone. VR is kicking my ass too. I'm getting 7 pretty much every time

Originally Posted by wrummingsjr

I recently purchased both TPRH Verbal/Science Workbooks. I'm incorporating the Verbal Workbook in my daily schedule of 4 passages/day but is anyone else using the TPRH Science Workbook? Almost 1000pages of passages at my disposal, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to incorporate them in my schedule (SN2ed).

I have the science workbook too! I want to use it especially for topics that I'm weak in. I might wait until after content review though and try to do a lot of it then.

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What day are most of you guys on? Just wondering if I'm on the right track... I had to take a few days off and I'm just starting Day 5 today

Originally Posted by lolcat

What day are most of you guys on? Just wondering if I'm on the right track... I had to take a few days off and I'm just starting Day 5 today

I know this is bad, but I took all of the break days out. I'm starting day 8 for me today which is O chem ch2. I took out the break days in case I fall behind unexpectedly. Bio ch1 took me 2 days because I had to go somewhere the day I was supposed to do it. I'm sure you'll be fine! Just map the rest of the schedule out on a calendar and see what adjustments you need to make to stay on track

For those of you taking the TPR course (or not using SN2ed's schedule), how does your day look hour by hour? I tried to map out what I need to study for by the TPR course but the day to day planning is so inconsistent! How long do you all spend doing the TPR homework? Do you all finish it within one day or spread it?

Is it better to finish all the assigned HW for one class ASAP? Or spread it through the week? Initially I thought spreading it through the week would be better but all the other sections have a lot less or a lot more that it's really inconsistent to set x days out for this bio, chem, phys, etc.

I'm getting pretty disorganized - how do your schedule's look?

So behind on schedule! Also taking it on Aug 17 with TPRH course

Is it just me or are TBR Verbal passages extremely hard?

Originally Posted by osprey099

Is it just me or are TBR Verbal passages extremely hard?

All verbal passages are hard to me. I'm scoring ridiculously low with EK and TBR

Originally Posted by LaurenMarie

All verbal passages are hard to me. I'm scoring ridiculously low with EK and TBR

lol yea but personally, I feel TBR is hardest. I'm getting like 3-4 wrong on every passage

Every source of material I have states that we should only know the basic stretches on an IR spec, such as OH, COOH, C=O, etc (which I do). One thing I have never needed to memorize are the specific frequencies in carbonyls of different groups (i.e. ketone, ester, amide, etc.). But on Ex. 2.13 in Section II of TBR Organic Chem, the answer expected us to know that 1750 is specific to only a carbonyl in an ester.

I'm pretty sure that is not the type of detail we are expected to know for the MCAT, but I wanted to double check to make sure before I just blew it off as another one of their overly ridiculously detailed/hard example questions.

Any input?

Also, what about bending frequencies? I've searched the forums and come up with nothing so I assume that is beyond the scope of the MCAT? Personally, we didn't go over it much at all in my organic course (bending).

Originally Posted by nixm01

Every source of material I have states that we should only know the basic stretches on an IR spec, such as OH, COOH, C=O, etc (which I do). One thing I have never needed to memorize are the specific frequencies in carbonyls of different groups (i.e. ketone, ester, amide, etc.). But on Ex. 2.13 in Section II of TBR Organic Chem, the answer expected us to know that 1750 is specific to only a carbonyl in an ester.

I'm pretty sure that is not the type of detail we are expected to know for the MCAT, but I wanted to double check to make sure before I just blew it off as another one of their overly ridiculously detailed/hard example questions.

Any input?

I actually just did that chapter yesterday so I know what you're referring to. I doubt we would have to have that fact memorized, but I think its a good idea to understand why an amide carbonyl would appear at a lower wavenumber than a ketone (for example). I believe that it deals with the relative strengths of the bonds. "The stronger bond, having a higher bond dissociation energy, has a higher energy absorbance." (page 111)

That's still really confusing to me though. I can't picture why an ester has a higher bond dissociation energy than an aldehyde. The order of the others makes sense to me though (aldehyde > ketone > carb. acid > amide). Any thoughts on this?

Originally Posted by nixm01

Also, what about bending frequencies? I've searched the forums and come up with nothing so I assume that is beyond the scope of the MCAT? Personally, we didn't go over it much at all in my organic course (bending).

I'm not too sure about this. The theory behind IR confuses me a bit to be honest.

Of the four subjects, Physics seems to be the weakest one for me. TBR content review for Physics is pretty light, but the passages are hard-core. I'm doing pretty well in TBR Gen. Chem. and O-chem. I've decided to study Biology later since there is a lot of content there.

I'm going to take a break from doing science passages since I need to seriously drill the concepts of Physics & Gen-Chem into me.

Verbal. I like EK over TPR Hyperlearning Verbal b/c the explanations are more in-depth. That said, some of the answer explanations from both are just ... whack (as in, makes no sense crazy).

Maybe we should post some of the weirder ones here to commiserate. I'm up to VR Test 4 in EK, and I'm starting to see marginal improvement, but consistency is lacking on my part.

VR1 = 10; VR2 = 9; VR3 = 9.

That's a good question...

You would think that due to the resonance in an ester, the molecule is not able to take on a full C=O double bond such as an aldehyde. This partial C=O bond in the ester would cause it to be longer/weaker/less bond dissociation energy = lower absorbance...
But it has a higher absorbance than aldehyde, which is pretty much saying that the C=O in and ester is stronger than in an aldehyde, which I don't think is accurate. It must be from some other factor we aren't seeing... Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Originally Posted by docelh

Of the four subjects, Physics seems to be the weakest one for me. TBR content review for Physics is pretty light, but the passages are hard-core. I'm doing pretty well in TBR Gen. Chem. and O-chem. I've decided to study Biology later since there is a lot of content there.

I'm going to take a break from doing science passages since I need to seriously drill the concepts of Physics & Gen-Chem into me.

Verbal. I like EK over TPR Hyperlearning Verbal b/c the explanations are more in-depth. That said, some of the answer explanations from both are just ... whack (as in, makes no sense crazy).

Maybe we should post some of the weirder ones here to commiserate. I'm up to VR Test 4 in EK, and I'm starting to see marginal improvement, but consistency is lacking on my part.

VR1 = 10; VR2 = 9; VR3 = 9.

Have you looked into EK 1001 to help you nail the concepts? Also, maybe try doing just 1/3 of the BR passages after you go through a chapter. Then save the rest for later after you get the concepts a little more.

As for verbal, I am the last person that should be giving out advice. I'm ranging from 6-10 depending on my luck. I'm not sure what to do about verbal. I'm starting to seriously worry.. Most people say that no one really improves significantly in VR

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Originally Posted by nixm01

That's a good question...

You would think that due to the resonance in an ester, the molecule is not able to take on a full C=O double bond such as an aldehyde. This partial C=O bond in the ester would cause it to be longer/weaker/less bond dissociation energy = lower absorbance...
But it has a higher absorbance than aldehyde, which is pretty much saying that the C=O in and ester is stronger than in an aldehyde, which I don't think is accurate. It must be from some other factor we aren't seeing... Maybe someone else can chime in on this.

Right, and I generally pair esters with carboxylic acids. Especially because we learned that esters and carboxylic acids are roughly equal in reactivity. I'm not sure why esters appear higher in the IR spectra. I don't think we should dwell on it. Although, I'm definitely up for hearing other people's thoughts on it.