DAT QVault (all sections) vs Real DAT Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by ijk90825

Thank you so much for the info! and nice scores

so you'd say wording of the problem on the actual DAT is more straightforward than the ones from datqvault? I find some qvault and destroyer questions confusing..

I thought the DAT wording for the most part was really straight forward for gchem and Orgo but Bio I had a couple questions that were just set up to seem really hard but they were simple. They had a lot of extra info in the question.

good luck

Originally Posted by Member 8586

thanks for the post! do you know if the changed the tests around or anything since you took it though? did you find the formatting/wording of the questions to be similar to the DAT?

I don't know if they did or didn't change the test I would imagine they are pretty much the same. I assume some stuff did improve. The wording was similar to the DAT I thought Bio was very close. The chemistry was close but I personally thought Datqvault chemistry was harder and the wording was a more confusing.

Good luck on your test

Qvault 5
Bio 20
GC 22
OC 19
QR 22

Qvault 6
Bio 18
GC 19
OC 19
having a rough day today..krappy sleep and didnt feel like doing anything this morning ahh...so behind for the day and idk if my mood is affecting my scores but idk wth is wrong with me...i ended up matching all my lowest qvault scores today...i cant be crumblin now ahh

Ive been watching this thread closely, actually one of the main reasons I went with DATQvault
Im taking the DAT on the 11th, been practicing with datq and getting in the 20's, guess well see where that puts me on the real things. Ill be sure to post up my results.

Just got done taking all of the datQvault tests for bio, gen chem, and orgo. I took a test everyday and reviewed the tests at night.
Bio/ Gen Chem/ Orgo
1) 19/20/21
2) 22/19/24
3)19/21/20
4) 21/29/20
5) 18/22/19
6) 20/19/23
7) 21/21/20
8) 22/21/24
9) 21/22/19
10)19/21/21
What you guys think? I am taking my test on June 19th, so i still have a few weeks.

Originally Posted by barnes1991

Just got done taking all of the datQvault tests for bio, gen chem, and orgo. I took a test everyday and reviewed the tests at night.
Bio/ Gen Chem/ Orgo
1) 19/20/21
2) 22/19/24
3)19/21/20
4) 21/29/20
5) 18/22/19
6) 20/19/23
7) 21/21/20
8) 22/21/24
9) 21/22/19
10)19/21/21
What you guys think? I am taking my test on June 19th, so i still have a few weeks.

i think you are in a great shape!

Qvault 7..may be my last one but i think im still gunna browse through the other questions...i think ill focus more on review from here on and the 3 topscores + CDP ...i may just browse through the ADA 09 test...ill see if i feel like taking it..test on June 12
Bio: 19
GC: 22
OC: 19
RC (Crack reading): 19
QR: 22

Originally Posted by axk1267

Ive been watching this thread closely, actually one of the main reasons I went with DATQvault
Im taking the DAT on the 11th, been practicing with datq and getting in the 20's, guess well see where that puts me on the real things. Ill be sure to post up my results.

nice..keep us updated! im taking it a day after u lol

Originally Posted by barnes1991

Just got done taking all of the datQvault tests for bio, gen chem, and orgo. I took a test everyday and reviewed the tests at night.
Bio/ Gen Chem/ Orgo
1) 19/20/21
2) 22/19/24
3)19/21/20
4) 21/29/20
5) 18/22/19
6) 20/19/23
7) 21/21/20
8) 22/21/24
9) 21/22/19
10)19/21/21
What you guys think? I am taking my test on June 19th, so i still have a few weeks.

nicee...def better than me overall lol and youre taking it after me too so i think youre in pretty great shape
since u went through all of them, how do u feel about the content? did u feel like me in that there's a bunch of random stuff that you haven't seen before (kinda expected in bio), but especially in genchem and some in orgo too (mostly conceptual, or definition type stuff) ? also, did you take any other practice material yet?

ok i think im done testing with qvault..may just browse through the other questions now...so final numbers:

BIO - 18,18,19,22,20,18,19 avg 19.14
GC - 22,19,20,24,22,19,22 avg 21.14
OC - 20,22,20,22,19,19,19 avg 20.14
RC - 24,22,20 avg 22 (CDR 18,19,19)
QR - 25,20,23,24,22,22 avg 22.67

im really hoping i get the 2 point or so increase in the sciences like everyone else because idk if the 19,21,20 will cut it for me...will update with Topscore numbers next week and actual DAT the week after...review for the weekend

Originally Posted by Member 8586

ok i think im done testing with qvault..may just browse through the other questions now...so final numbers:

BIO - 18,18,19,22,20,18,19 avg 19.14
GC - 22,19,20,24,22,19,22 avg 21.14
OC - 20,22,20,22,19,19,19 avg 20.14
RC - 24,22,20 avg 22 (CDR 18,19,19)
QR - 25,20,23,24,22,22 avg 22.67

im really hoping i get the 2 point or so increase in the sciences like everyone else because idk if the 19,21,20 will cut it for me...will update with Topscore numbers next week and actual DAT the week after...review for the weekend

I think RC is easier on DATQVault ?

Originally Posted by newyorkgreg

I think RC is easier on DATQVault ?

yea def...are you saying this after taking them or based on my scores?
Qvault - passages SUCK to read...a lot of annoying big words and terms that we're not going to be familiar with that just make it hard to comprehend the passage, BUT the questions are easier and mostly search and destroy
CDR - the passages are actually somewhat interesting and not too bad to read, BUT the questions are harder - a lot of application, tone, logic, implied detail etc

its tough to find a strategy that works because i found S&D without reading the passage is easier on qvault and passages take longer to read...and CDR reading the passage works better....so idk but i think im going to just read the passage on the DAT

yea i definitely agree with you about there being some totally random questions in gc and orgo sections. hopefully its not like that on the real DAT. i dont think it will be haha

I was asked to post my vault scores here--I kept all my estimated DAT scores in an excel sheet but I don't feel like digging up my numerical score out of 40. If someone really really wants them I guess I could do it lol.

Bio: 18/21/19/21/22/21/22/23/20/20 (real DAT: 26)
GC: 19/20/21/30/22/24/20/22/21/22 (real DAT: 23)
OC: 16/26/24/22/20/20/19/22/20/22 (real DAT: 27)
QR: 17/20/20/20/19/19/21/22/19/20 (real DAT: 19)
RC: 22/x/x/x/x/x (real DAT: 24)

Notes:

Bio: Feel good about biology if you're averaging 20s on vault lol.

GC: I fell for some stupid tricky questions on GC on the real thing because I was still really nervous. I tutored GC for a year and I felt really strong about it going in so I honestly should have done better. Don't think it's massively hard just because it's not much higher than my qvault scores; it is WAY easier than vault.

OC: Vault has a lot of crazy ass reagents that didn't show up on the real DAT. My advice is to learn them anyway because you never know. Real DAT was extremely elementary OC but you do need to understand the concepts, don't just memorize.

QR: My QR scores seem to be a little higher average than my real DAT. Don't let that scare you--the questions are almost identical in difficulty, I just think vault scores a little more leniently. Just know how to do all the QR you see on vault, you'll be in good shape.

RC: I only did one test two days before my DAT. The passages were way easier to read on the real DAT, but questions are asked in a manner that makes it harder to S&D. I never did anything but S&D on practice and real thing because I'm a slow reader and that's all I could do if I wanted a decent score.

Originally Posted by wcombs

I was asked to post my vault scores here--I kept all my estimated DAT scores in an excel sheet but I don't feel like digging up my numerical score out of 40. If someone really really wants them I guess I could do it lol.

Bio: 18/21/19/21/22/21/22/23/20/20 (real DAT: 26)
GC: 19/20/21/30/22/24/20/22/21/22 (real DAT: 23)
OC: 16/26/24/22/20/20/19/22/20/22 (real DAT: 27)
QR: 17/20/20/20/19/19/21/22/19/20 (real DAT: 19)
RC: 22/x/x/x/x/x (real DAT: 24)

Notes:

Bio: Feel good about biology if you're averaging 20s on vault lol.

GC: I fell for some stupid tricky questions on GC on the real thing because I was still really nervous. I tutored GC for a year and I felt really strong about it going in so I honestly should have done better. Don't think it's massively hard just because it's not much higher than my qvault scores; it is WAY easier than vault.

OC: Vault has a lot of crazy ass reagents that didn't show up on the real DAT. My advice is to learn them anyway because you never know. Real DAT was extremely elementary OC but you do need to understand the concepts, don't just memorize.

QR: My QR scores seem to be a little higher average than my real DAT. Don't let that scare you--the questions are almost identical in difficulty, I just think vault scores a little more leniently. Just know how to do all the QR you see on vault, you'll be in good shape.

RC: I only did one test two days before my DAT. The passages were way easier to read on the real DAT, but questions are asked in a manner that makes it harder to S&D. I never did anything but S&D on practice and real thing because I'm a slow reader and that's all I could do if I wanted a decent score.

thanks a lot for posting! sick increase on your actual DAT from your qvault scores....so Orgo is easier on the actual test it seems like? I think thats the section im most worried about....Genchem - are the calculations on the DAT as straightforward and simple as they are on Qvault? im used to the complicated Destroyer ones lol but obviously hope theyre more like Qvault's if anything...minus the random weird GC and OC concepts that im finding on Qvault

im basically 9 days away from test day now and plan to do the 3 topscores and maybe the ADA 09 and mostly review...do you think its worth it to cram in the last 3 qvaults too (my schedule is already really tight)...i plan on squeezing in at least the last of the bio for qvault, but idk if i should bother with the gchem and ochem ...im comfortable with most calculations in gc and reactions in ochem, but its just some of the weird conceptual stuff that im only seeing in qvault that throws me off and made me want to keep doing more of those...but if they dont really show up on the DAT, idk if its worth sacrificing other studying for those

it looks like u averaged about a point better than me in the sciences on qvault -- id be ECSTATIC if i can be a point less than your actual DAT scores too lol but i doubt it lol.

BIO: The first 4 Bio tests were taken before I started studying for that section. After a month of studying, I took the final 6 tests. The numbers below are the predicted DAT scores for tests 1-10 and the real thing.
(18,18,18,17,21,20,20,22,22,20)
Actual DAT: 24


Beta tested, so when the system went online I lost my scores for these sections, but I still have the scores from the first free test for each subject.

OCHEM: Took the test twice, with a month of studying in between
Take 1: 19
Take 2: 24
Actual DAT: 25

GCHEM:
Take 1: 24
Actual DAT: 20
*Did my serious studying for GCHEM a little too far out from test date and ran out of time to refresh again

QR:
Take 1: 23
Actual DAT: 24

thanks for your input scsc7211

Ill be posting my Qvault vs CDP vs CDR vs Topscore comparisons for people to compare:
Qvault
BIO - 18,18,19,22,20,18,19 avg 19.14
GC - 22,19,20,24,22,19,22 avg 21.14
OC - 20,22,20,22,19,19,19 avg 20.14
RC - 24,22,20 avg 22
QR - 25,20,23,24,22,22 avg 22.67

CDP
18,20,19,18,*24,21,23 avg 20.43
*I went deeply into going over PAT after test 4 and just started feeling a lot better and performing better on PAT after

CDR
18,19,19 avg 18.67

Finally took my first topscore ..I honestly thought I did better, especially in GC, OC and PAT so I hope it was just stupid mistakes but Ill be going over it after I finish RC & QR
Topscore
TS1 - Bio 21 (35/40), GC 20 (26/30), OC 19 (23/30), PAT 21 (75/90), RC 23 (45/50), QR 21 (32/40), TS 20 (84/100), AA ? doesnt show?
TS2 -
TS3 -

Originally Posted by scsc7211

BIO: The first 4 Bio tests were taken before I started studying for that section. After a month of studying, I took the final 6 tests. The numbers below are the predicted DAT scores for tests 1-10 and the real thing.
(18,18,18,17,21,20,20,22,22,20)
Actual DAT: 24


Beta tested, so when the system went online I lost my scores for these sections, but I still have the scores from the first free test for each subject.

OCHEM: Took the test twice, with a month of studying in between
Take 1: 19
Take 2: 24
Actual DAT: 25

GCHEM:
Take 1: 24
Actual DAT: 20
*Did my serious studying for GCHEM a little too far out from test date and ran out of time to refresh again

QR:
Take 1: 23
Actual DAT: 24

thanks for your response!...any words on how u felt it compared to the DAT in the 4 sections? in terms of difficulty, wording, randomness, chem calculations, reagents and reactions in ochem etc?

It's been a few months now, but I definitely feel like the questions asked on QVAULT, as a whole, are a reasonable representation of what I saw on my DAT.

It really was my main source of study for QR, and after doing most of the beta-test versions of QR, I felt confident for this section on the real deal. If anything, my QR section on the real dat was simpler than some of the questions asked on QVAULT.

Both GC and OC were probably slightly more difficult (more obscure reagents/more involved problems) than the actual thing, but were excellent prep tools. Again, I felt QVAULT was in the top 2 or 3 materials I studied with.

awesome! thats good to hear because i am using datqvualt as one of my primary sources to study with!

I have been going through Math Destroyer and have been doing well. Today i took the practice DAT that is available on the ADA website and it was compleetly different? most people say that destroyer problem show up on the DAT, but i was wondering if anyone else has had this situation with the QR section on the ADA practice test.

I can only speak from my experience, but there were several questions in the 2009 ADA test that were more difficult than what I saw on my DAT. Can't expect to know them all, though.

When game time comes and you see one that looks like a beast, guess, mark, and move on!

I noticed that there were "10 quizzes, 516 questions" for bio on Qvault. Is that 10 quizzes AND 516 separate questions, or are 400 of the 516 questions in the 10 practice tests (40 questions for each bio test)? I haven't bought a subscription yet, but I was wondering about this. I hope that question makes sense, can anyone who has used Qvault answer this?

Originally Posted by MuskieMan33

I noticed that there were "10 quizzes, 516 questions" for bio on Qvault. Is that 10 quizzes AND 516 separate questions, or are 400 of the 516 questions in the 10 practice tests (40 questions for each bio test)? I haven't bought a subscription yet, but I was wondering about this. I hope that question makes sense, can anyone who has used Qvault answer this?

im thinking theres 40x10 = 400 + an additional 116 somewhere... im going to try to take the last 3 bio qvaults casually today just to be exposed to those questions and then will click on the "unseen questions" option and probably will be expecting 116 other questions...will let u know

qVault Gchem is so annoying. I keep getting 22's. They always ask random lab error questions that trip me up. I'm in good shape though? And there is definitely an error in test 2 and 3. The keq of an equilibrium reaction involving gases should be Kp, right?

Originally Posted by duke2121

qVault Gchem is so annoying. I keep getting 22's. They always ask random lab error questions that trip me up. I'm in good shape though? And there is definitely an error in test 2 and 3. The keq of an equilibrium reaction involving gases should be Kp, right?

those random concept and lab questions ARE annoying..i hope they dont show or maybe i hope they do since im learning ..but only the ones ive seen lol...seems like 22 is good compared to others..i fluctuated between 19-24 and averaged 21 and we'll see how i do next tuesday :-0

which numbers are you referring to? im pretty sure #6 on test 3 is wrong...shouldnt it be k = rate/(0.26)

Originally Posted by Member 8586

those random concept and lab questions ARE annoying..i hope they dont show or maybe i hope they do since im learning ..but only the ones ive seen lol...seems like 22 is good compared to others..i fluctuated between 19-24 and averaged 21 and we'll see how i do next tuesday :-0

which numbers are you referring to? im pretty sure #6 on test 3 is wrong...shouldnt it be k = rate/(0.26)

Yeah, I think it is rate/0.26 where rate =1.
#7 test 3 is stupid and #10 and #28 are so retarded. Also on test 2 the question about heated and cooled glassware! Ha

Hey guys, I just took the first test and got 22 BIO, 19 GC, 18 OC. I have about a month left of studying. The only bio studying I've done so far is cliff's up to chapter 9 (biodiversity), so I haven't covered plants, ecology, or any of that. I did do all of Chad's though...should I be worried?

Originally Posted by user122

Hey guys, I just took the first test and got 22 BIO, 19 GC, 18 OC. I have about a month left of studying. The only bio studying I've done so far is cliff's up to chapter 9 (biodiversity), so I haven't covered plants, ecology, or any of that. I did do all of Chad's though...should I be worried?

with a month i dont think so, 22 is really good for qvault bio without having finished cliffs, i've gone through qvault twice for gc and oc (*1 month apart), once just after chad and once after destroyer and chad, and my scores went from 18-19 to 20-24s, granted there's a little inflation due to pure recall of some of the questions. my dat is next week.

definitely recommend destroyer to boost your chem scores.

qVault scores for ya'll. Took my DAT last Saturday
don't be discouraged by qVault for bio and ochem!
Bio
avg 18.5
real DAT 21

Ochem
avg 20.5
real DAT 27

Originally Posted by duke2121

qVault scores for ya'll. Took my DAT last Saturday
don't be discouraged by qVault for bio and ochem!
Bio
avg 18.5
real DAT 21

Ochem
avg 20.5
real DAT 27

Wow! That's awesome!!! Good job!

Taking my DAT next Thursday!
My scores so far are:

Bio - 19, 20, 19
OChem - 17, 20, 22
Gchem - 18, 19, 20
QR - 26
RC - 24

Does anyone know how RC on qVault compares to the real thing? I got an 18 and then a 20 on Achiever for RC, so I'm not sure if qVault is a good representation or not?

Ack. Studying Destroyer and Cliff's like crazy right now!

I've been taking qvault exams over the past few weeks and my DAT is coming up and I just want to know where I stand.

Bio: 19/18/17/18/18/18/18
GC: 17/17/17/18/18/18/18
OC: 15/18/24/19
QR: 21
RC: 22/20

Thanks!

Here are my Biology Qvault scores. Just took the test this Monday and received a 22 for Biology!

Biology: 22/19/21/19/19/20/22/22/20/18 (Real DAT: 22)

Imagine what I felt seeing that 18 two days before my exam. But other than that, Qvault is pretty spot on! Can't really say for other subjects, I only subscribed to Biology. I believe I saw one exact question, word for word, on the real thing. Happy studying!!!

hey guys, I've been reading this thread for a week, and comparing my Qvault scores,
I just need some input, should I reschedule my DAT, which is on the 27th! (less than 4 days!)
i don't feel confident with my consistent 18s on Bio, and 19 on Gchem/ochem.. and I took two topscore exams, made 18 avg on those >< I'm totally freaking out!
Your advice would be helpful!

Originally Posted by karendent

hey guys, I've been reading this thread for a week, and comparing my Qvault scores,
I just need some input, should I reschedule my DAT, which is on the 27th! (less than 4 days!)
i don't feel confident with my consistent 18s on Bio, and 19 on Gchem/ochem.. and I took two topscore exams, made 18 avg on those >< I'm totally freaking out!
Your advice would be helpful!

Yes I think you should reschedule for a week or two and focus on your weak part... 18 and 19 on qvault consistently isn't a good sign man.

do you think pushing it back to august 10th would be too late for the application cycle? I already submitted everything else on my application.
I'm trying to get a 20 avg

This is a cool thread. Didn't see it until now.

I'm hoping QR on qvault is representative. I have math destroyer, but that thing is ridiculous right now. I'm using it more as a learning tool rather than for actual timed tests. I took my first qvault QR test feeling a little shaky and got a 20. I was pretty happy, considering all I want on the DAT is an 18 or a 19 (I'm terrible at math). I used my computer's on screen calculator for almost everything (via the mouse only), but I was happy with a 20, haha.

Does anyone else have any recent comparisons of qvault QR to the real thing?

My main weakness is in trig and geometry. I can get through most of the other stuff.

Originally Posted by karendent

do you think pushing it back to august 10th would be too late for the application cycle? I already submitted everything else on my application.
I'm trying to get a 20 avg

If you do not feel ready, do not take DAT, because if you mess it up you will ruin your application this year...So decide if you want to take it or not in 4 days. I rescheduled 2x just to do some more practice. Hope it helps.

I'd also like to know if qvaults QR section is any good.

Math Destroyer is kicking my butt and I definitely need more practice. Would it be worth my money to purchase the QR section?

Their QR sections are ok; some of the questions are too easy, but there are also some hard questions similar to Math Destroyer questions. I recommend their Bio and QR sections; other sections are mehh...

Originally Posted by koreano

Their QR sections are ok; some of the questions are too easy, but there are also some hard questions similar to Math Destroyer questions. I recommend their Bio and QR sections; other sections are mehh...

Thank you I bought the Bio today, but I guess I'll purchase QR as well! I need all the practice I can get. Including the easy stuff. Haha

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DAT Q VAULT

RC 22, 22, 21
QR 22, 17, 19, 19, 21
Bio, 18, 19, 19, 18, 21, 20, 18, 18, 17, 17
GC 21, 17, 18, 22, 20, 19, 19, 18
OChem 17, 17, 18, 22, 20, 18, 19, 19, 19, 18

Real DAT
PAT 22
QR 18
RC 20
BIO 22
GC 20
OC 20
Total Science 21
Academic Average 20

This was my first Kaplan test. I took it before I cracked a book.
PAT 19
AA 13