MD School List Help Please! (Part 2)

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Had a list quite a while ago, but have done some updating since then based on additional research and what I've read here on SDN. Thought it might be better to make a new thread than to bump the old thread with pages of discussion.

URM (Native Hawaiian).
33Q
3.0 -- 1.41 to 3.8 upward trend in undergrad, 4.0 in post-bacc classes at a CC
Graduated in 2010
Undergrad in Missouri and still living/working in Missouri.
~50 hours researching
~570 hours shadowing (3MD, 2DO. Family, Rheum, Cardiology, Derm/Surgery, EM)
~400 hours clinical volunteering
~100 hours non-clinical volunteering
~50 hours leadership
~16 months clinical work experience

Most of my list so far is based on 10% GPA, but there are a few reach schools mixed in. Also, Hawai'i is out of the question for a number of reasons. I am applying DO as well.

UPDATED! Final (?) List. Will be submitting on June 5.

Albany
Drexel
EVMS
GW
Georgetown
Loyola Chicago
LSU-NO
NYMC
Penn State
Rosalind Franklin
Rush
SLU
UVM
Temple
Tulane
Cincinnati
Missouri-Columbia
MCW
VCU
Wake Forest
Wright State

Any advice would be great!

List seems pretty solid, especially with DO as back-ups.

Would consider:

BU: Basically the same as Tufts
UVM: Strong school in beautiful, albeit isolate, town

Your list seems good. Native Hawaiian is URM?

I would take off LSU-NO from that list. They take very few OOS (like <4%).

Originally Posted by Chir0nex

List seems pretty solid, especially with DO as back-ups.

Would consider:

BU: Basically the same as Tufts
UVM: Strong school in beautiful, albeit isolate, town

Ok thanks for those suggestions!

Originally Posted by weezynation

Your list seems good. Native Hawaiian is URM?

Yea, kind of like Native American.

Originally Posted by NewEngland21

I would take off LSU-NO from that list. They take very few OOS (like <4%).

AMCAS says LSU-NO takes 40 OOS and last year they took 187 students for MS1.. So about 21%. Are you thinking of LSU-Shreveport?

Is Kansas a school I should consider? MSAR says MCAT range is 24-34 and GPA is 3.38-3.98..

Originally Posted by MedPR

AMCAS says LSU-NO takes 40 OOS and last year they took 187 students for MS1.. So about 21%. Are you thinking of LSU-Shreveport?

I believe I read last year that the 40 OOS spots are for MD/PHD applicants and children of alum. Maybe I am mistaken...

Originally Posted by NewEngland21

I believe I read last year that the 40 OOS spots are for MD/PHD applicants and children of alum. Maybe I am mistaken...

Idk then :/ Here's what it says now.

Regular M.D. (LSU School of Medicine in New Orleans will accept up to 40 out-of-state residents. If accepted, those applicants will be responsible for out of state tuition for the duration of their enrollment. ) (Restricted)

Combined Medical Degree/Graduate

Combined Medical Degree/Ph.D (MD/PhD applicants must first be accepted by the Admissions Committee into the Medical school. Interviews by a separate PhD Committee are held in March to determine acceptance into the PhD program.) (Restricted)

I guess I missed the "up to 40" I'll consider taking that one out too and save the money on the primary.

Also, how many schools are people talking about when they say "apply broadly"?

I think I'm at 25 MD right now plus 7-8 DO schools.

Originally Posted by MedPR

Also, how many schools are people talking about when they say "apply broadly"?

I think I'm at 25 MD right now plus 7-8 DO schools.

I believe most, including myself, consider 20-30 MD schools to be broad and probably ideal. IDK about DO.

Originally Posted by ttothemac

I believe most, including myself, consider 20-30 MD schools to be broad and probably ideal. IDK about DO.

Ok that's what I figured. I'm less concerned about DO schools because my stats are okay for them. Obviously I'm below average for MD though.

Any other schools I should consider or may have overlooked?

I'm also interested in the school list. It looks pretty similar to mine. Consider adding Creighton and Oakland.

Any other OOS-friendly public schools the OP should consider? I want to know as well.

Originally Posted by virtuoso735

I'm also interested in the school list. It looks pretty similar to mine. Consider adding Creighton and Oakland.

Any other OOS-friendly public schools the OP should consider? I want to know as well.

How about Arizona x2 (supposedly going to start taking more OOS), Louisville, and Vermont?

Originally Posted by virtuoso735

I'm also interested in the school list. It looks pretty similar to mine. Consider adding Creighton and Oakland.

Any other OOS-friendly public schools the OP should consider? I want to know as well.

I don't like Omaha and I thought all the California schools were very OOS unfriendly.. not just the UCs?

Originally Posted by TheWeeIceMan

How about Arizona x2 (supposedly going to start taking more OOS), Louisville, and Vermont?

I think my stats might be a little low for Louisville. I have added Vermont

I heard that AZ schools were not OOS friendly.. Do you know if they will be continuing to be OOS friendly?

Originally Posted by MedPR

I don't like Omaha and I thought all the California schools were very OOS unfriendly.. not just the UCs?



I think my stats might be a little low for Louisville. I have added Vermont

I heard that AZ schools were not OOS friendly.. Do you know if they will be continuing to be OOS friendly?

I believe the policy starts for the class of 2016. Here is a link to where they discuss it. http://medicine.arizona.edu/admissions/tucson/policies

Also, Oakland is in Michigan, not California.

Originally Posted by TheWeeIceMan

I believe the policy starts for the class of 2016. Here is a link to where they discuss it. http://medicine.arizona.edu/admissions/tucson/policies

Also, Oakland is in Michigan, not California.

Oh Great, thank you! I'll give that a read and perhaps add the two AZ schools.

Btw, do you know why the Phoenix campus isn't in MSAR?

Originally Posted by MedPR

Oh Great, thank you! I'll give that a read and perhaps add the two AZ schools.

Btw, do you know why the Phoenix campus isn't in MSAR?

Not totally sure about that. I had the same question when I heard that U of Minn had a second campus. I thought I heard that the MSAR groups schools together if the university has 2 campuses, but I could be way off base here.

Originally Posted by TheWeeIceMan

Not totally sure about that. I had the same question when I heard that U of Minn had a second campus. I thought I heard that the MSAR groups schools together if the university has 2 campuses, but I could be way off base here.

Yea that could be true. I'm not going to apply to Phoenix (or Oakland) anyway. I don't want to go to a new school or a new campus and I think I have decent enough stats (along with URM status) to get into at least one of the schools on my list. I did add Vermont and Tucson though. Thanks for those suggestions!

MedPR, which DO schools are you applying to? We have similar stats (my GPA is a little higher but your MCAT is higher than mine), so I was wondering which ones you have picked out. I have 18 schools on my DO school list and I think that's far too many, but I'm not sure which ones to cut out.

Originally Posted by virtuoso735

MedPR, which DO schools are you applying to? We have similar stats (my GPA is a little higher but your MCAT is higher than mine), so I was wondering which ones you have picked out. I have 18 schools on my DO school list and I think that's far too many, but I'm not sure which ones to cut out.

My DO list is pretty short mostly because I have ties to Missouri, which is where two of my top three are (KCOM, KCUMB) and also because I'm confident that my stats for DO are high enough that I don't have to apply too broadly.

DMU
KCUMB
ATSU-KCOM
AZCOM
CCOM -- I might be removing this one since I realized how expensive the town is.
LMU -- I might be removing this one as well. Not sure how I feel about living in Tennessee.
NOVA
PCOM
Touro NV
Pomona

Make sure you have the biochem requirement for DMU and KCUMB.

Right now I'm also considering ATSU-SOMA even though they have a very very rural oriented program. I grew up in a rural setting, but I've been living in the city for the past 6 years now and I don't know if SOMA would be a good fit for me. I know most of the DO schools are rural, but SOMA is very serious about it.

DMU, KCOM, and KCUMB are my top 3.

CCOM, LMU, and Touro are on the bottom right now. CCOM because of the expense, and LMU and Touro because of the location.

An acceptance anywhere would really be a dream come true for me, but with the obvious residency advantage for MD students, I am hoping I can attend an MD school. Being a URM will hopefully make it happen, but my GPA is abysmal so I really don't know.

Does Hofstra have any ties to schools with a longer history? I am thinking about applying there, but am hesitant because it's so new.

Bump. Please give any last minute input you may have on my list shown here and in the OP.

UPDATED! Final (?) List. Will be submitting on June 5.

Albany
Drexel
EVMS
GW
Georgetown
Loyola Chicago
LSU-NO
NYMC
Penn State
Rosalind Franklin
Rush
SLU
UVM
Temple
Tulane
Arizona - Tucson
Cincinnati
Kansas
Missouri-Columbia
MCW
VCU
Wake Forest
Wright State

I hear Arizona OOS caters mostly to California and surroundings, so you might want to consider that. Maybe consider more schools in Michigan. I'd do Wayne and Oakland before applying to Rush or Loyola.

Since you already have Temple and Drexel, it might be worth adding Jefferson as well. An "in the area" email might let you kill three schools with one stone.

Originally Posted by TriagePreMed

I hear Arizona OOS caters mostly to California and surroundings, so you might want to consider that. Maybe consider more schools in Michigan. I'd do Wayne and Oakland before applying to Rush or Loyola.

Thanks for the suggestions!

I originally had Wayne on there, but I took it off because OOS tuition is $63k. Also, Oakland opened in 2010 and I kind of don't want to apply to new schools.

Originally Posted by jesse120

Since you already have Temple and Drexel, it might be worth adding Jefferson as well. An "in the area" email might let you kill three schools with one stone.

What do you mean?

Originally Posted by MedPR

Is Kansas a school I should consider? MSAR says MCAT range is 24-34 and GPA is 3.38-3.98..

I heard Kansas is not very OOS friendly. Most accepted students are in-state or have "strong ties". I would consider Toledo seeing as how you have Wright State and Cincinnati, as they generally take several OOS each year.

Originally Posted by boshtrich

I heard Kansas is not very OOS friendly. Most accepted students are in-state or have "strong ties". I would consider Toledo seeing as how you have Wright State and Cincinnati, as they generally take several OOS each year.

I heard Kansas is friendly to immediately contiguous states. Is that not true?

Originally Posted by MedPR

I heard Kansas is friendly to immediately contiguous states. Is that not true?

This is what it says on the KU School of Medicine website

"For the 2011 entering class, KU received more than 2,500 applications for a class of 191. Of the 2,000 non-resident applicants, approximately 100 were interviewed and 25 accepted."

Based on those numbers, its less OOS friendly than many of the other schools in the Midwest. The majority of the 25 may have been from contiguous states, but it's still not much.

Originally Posted by boshtrich

This is what it says on the KU School of Medicine website

"For the 2011 entering class, KU received more than 2,500 applications for a class of 191. Of the 2,000 non-resident applicants, approximately 100 were interviewed and 25 accepted."

Based on those numbers, its less OOS friendly than many of the other schools in the Midwest. The majority of the 25 may have been from contiguous states, but it's still not much.

Ah ok, thank you for that. I'm on the fence about Toledo because the tuition is $61k.

Originally Posted by MedPR

Ah ok, thank you for that. I'm on the fence about Toledo because the tuition is $61k.

Yeah, the expected cost of attendance they gave for OOS was about $80k so it is very expensive. I have been told that it is fairly easy to get in-state residency after your first year and that saves about $30k per year.

Originally Posted by boshtrich

Yeah, the expected cost of attendance they gave for OOS was about $80k so it is very expensive. I have been told that it is fairly easy to get in-state residency after your first year and that saves about $30k per year.

$80k? Dang.

Originally Posted by MedPR

$80k? Dang.

That included all estimated living expenses, transportation, food, etc. but its still a lot of money. More than most private schools.

Originally Posted by boshtrich

That included all estimated living expenses, transportation, food, etc. but its still a lot of money. More than most private schools.

Yea and Toledo isn't a highly desirable area to live in either. At least not as far as I know.

Originally Posted by MedPR

Thanks for the suggestions!

I originally had Wayne on there, but I took it off because OOS tuition is $63k. Also, Oakland opened in 2010 and I kind of don't want to apply to new schools.

New schools are actually better when you're applying with a low GPA, but I can understand you being wary. Wayne may be expensive, but realistically, it is better chances than Loyola and Rush. Have you looked at the MSAR for schools that don't have many Native Americans? You might be novelty enough for them to accept you.

Originally Posted by TriagePreMed

New schools are actually better when you're applying with a low GPA, but I can understand you being wary. Wayne may be expensive, but realistically, it is better chances than Loyola and Rush. Have you looked at the MSAR for schools that don't have many Native Americans? You might be novelty enough for them to accept you.

Yea, I've looked at schools that have a decent amount of Native American/Hawaiians and there are only a handful with more than a couple. So the novelty could help me at just about any school. I'm applying to Rush because they have been as many Native Hawaiian matriculants (6, I believe) as any other school except for Hawaii (22).

You do make a good point about me having a better chance at Wayne, and I am definitely reconsidering it.

Edit: As far as new schools go, the only concerns I have are with future accreditation and even more so the lack of alumna for connections in the real world. MD would be nice, but as you know I'm also looking at a few DO schools and I'm confident I'll get in somewhere. I'd rather go to an established DO school than a new MD school. The letters don't matter to me as much as the "MD advantage" when it comes to residency programs. I value the quantity/quality of real world connections much more than the small advantage MD students have when matching. So DO school is more appealing to me than a new MD school. I hope that makes sense!

Would I have a chance at Colorado? I noticed they are somewhat OOS and non-trad friendly.

Originally Posted by MedPR

What do you mean?

Jefferson, Temple, and Drexel are all in Philadelphia. If you're applying to Temple and Drexel, might as well add Jefferson to the list as well. If you score an interview at any one of the three, you can try sending "in the area" emails to the other two schools to see if you can interview there as well (but be polite!). Since you'll be traveling across the country, they'll be more willing to grant the request.

Originally Posted by jesse120

Jefferson, Temple, and Drexel are all in Philadelphia. If you're applying to Temple and Drexel, might as well add Jefferson to the list as well. If you score an interview at any one of the three, you can try sending "in the area" emails to the other two schools to see if you can interview there as well (but be polite!). Since you'll be traveling across the country, they'll be more willing to grant the request.

As in the others might grant me an interview even if they weren't intending to before my request?

I'll add in Jefferson. I took off LSU and Kansas. Even though my stats are pretty good for LSU, I don't think I have a good enough chance since they aren't OOS friendly.

Bump. Wondering if I should bother adding some upper-mid tier schools?

AMCAS Submitting.

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