If I wanted to do it for the money, I would have become a dentist.

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Originally Posted by dr zaius

Hey guuuurl. A/S/L?

age is just a number./ female. /In your dreams.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

Funny how "not giving ****" translates into frantically pretending to be on top of the situation.

I am just having fun here I mean, feel free to say whatever crap you feel like to me.. But I am still going to respond back with a defense or whatever.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

Funny how "not giving ****" translates into frantically pretending to be on top of the situation.

I am just having fun here I mean, feel free to say whatever crap you want to.. But I am going to come back with a defense or whatever is needed, but seriously people on here need to lighten up a bit and have fun.. just sayin'

Originally Posted by AWittyName

I am just having fun here I mean, feel free to say whatever crap you want to.. But I am going to come back with a defense or whatever is needed, but seriously people on here need to lighten up a bit and have fun.. just sayin'

Oh goody. Thanks for the permission

Mmhmm.

I wanna stuff my **** in your mouth and make you stfu.

I enjoy how the OP denies any scenario where we are here just having a little fun with a troll who lacks the experience or know-how to form reasonable responses. No no no. Of course we just need to lighten up bc that alternative couldn't possibly be

She acts like she isn't the 40th troll this week to try this

Originally Posted by Shnurek

I wanna stuff my **** in your mouth and make you stfu.

Sorry, I don't speak the langauge of stars?

Originally Posted by Shnurek

I wanna stuff my **** in your mouth and make you stfu.

peas?
cake?
spam?
oats?

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

I enjoy how the OP denies any scenario where we are here just having a little fun with a troll who lacks the experience or know-how to form reasonable responses. No no no. Of course we just need to lighten up bc that alternative couldn't possibly be

She acts like she isn't the 40th troll this week to try this

Wait, to try what? To lighten a place up of too serious people? I mean I don't ever see anyone on here joking. Or really talking crap about other occupations.

Originally Posted by AWittyName

Sorry, I don't speak the langauge of stars?

Originally Posted by AWittyName

To the last two replies of this thread: Still not giving ****.

Welcome to the internet

Originally Posted by Blais

peas?
cake?
spam?
oats?

Could be any of those! Hopefully it's cake.

Originally Posted by AWittyName

Could be any of those! Hopefully it's cake.

Trust me, you don't need it

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

Trust me, you don't need it

Haha that's good one, where's the picture of you? Nevermind I found it

Originally Posted by AWittyName

Haha that's good one, where's the picture of you? Nevermind I found it

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

Welcome to the internet

looks like someone discovered memes

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

looks like someone discovered memes

knew about them. I just thought I would give into the nerdy world of them.. Like some people on here

Ok..... enough is enough... didn't want to have to do this but:


I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!


Game.set.match.

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

Ok..... enough is enough... didn't want to have to do this but:


I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!


Game.set.match.

Shouldn't that quote be the other way around?

Most people on SDN will slam you if you say that your primary motivation for going into medicine wasn't money. I'm one of those people, but what can you do?

Either way dentistry plays an important part in healthcare. Looking at my dentist now v.s. the one I had before makes me realize that yes, a quality dentist in your life can make a big difference... especially if you have teeth/jaw issues as I do.

Originally Posted by JP2740

Most people on SDN will slam you if you say that your primary motivation for going into medicine wasn't money. I'm one of those people, but what can you do?

Either way dentistry plays an important part in healthcare. Looking at my dentist now v.s. the one I had before makes me realize that yes, a quality dentist in your life can make a big difference... especially if you have teeth/jaw issues as I do.

Shouldn't practice medicine then, or they should all just go into plastics.

Scenario: pt comes into ED with gunshot wounds, patient has no way of paying for treatment. physician is only in it for the money, so lets patient die.

Sounds great to me!

Originally Posted by AWittyName

Shouldn't that quote be the other way around?

as in "im glue and you're rubber, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you?"

no, silly.... 1) it doesnt rhyme that way and it is very important to rhyme in this case 2) I'm afraid you just don't have a proper understanding of the inner workings of the materials in question.

Originally Posted by AWittyName

Scenario: pt comes into ED with gunshot wounds, patient has no way of paying for treatment. physician is only in it for the money, so lets patient die.

Sounds great to me!

Lol u either trollin or u dumb

Originally Posted by JP2740

Lol u either trollin or u dumb

Which do you think I am doing?

Originally Posted by AWittyName

Which do you think I am doing?

dumb. u for sure dumb

In the long run, yes, we dentists will earn more per hour than most physicians.

However, most of my classmates and I are not "in it for the money." If I was in anything for the money, healthcare is the last place I would go. Seriously. Dental school costs more than medical school, at least at my school, by a solid $100,000. On average, dental students come out with $250,000- $300,000 of school debt.

As for dental school, we do almost the exact same didactic course load the first two years as med-students, PLUS dental classes (Many schools like Harvard, UConn, Columbia, etc. do med and dental school didactic courses together the first two years). Why I have to do full gross anatomy, I'll never know.

We take over 120 didactic credit hours our first two years. So dental school is just as demanding, if not more so, than the four years of med school prior to residency. Some like to say we do in four what physicians do in seven.

As for the physician argument that we don't save lives, what kind of an argument is that? If we wanted to argue about who saves the most lives here then that award goes straight to public health, not physicians or dentists. As if the only rewarding aspect to healthcare is saving lives? There are primary, secondary, and tertiary levels of treatment, and hopefully, we prevent more than we cure.

I like to quote Plato on this: "The physician of whom you were just speaking, is he a moneymaker, a collector of fees, or a healer of the sick?"

Originally Posted by diasIItema

In the long run, yes, we dentists will earn more per hour than most physicians.

However, most of my classmates and I are not "in it for the money." If I was in anything for the money, healthcare is the last place I would go. Seriously. Dental school costs more than medical school, at least at my school, by a solid $100,000. On average, dental students come out with $250,000- $300,000 of school debt.

As for dental school, we do almost the exact same didactic course load the first two years as med-students, PLUS dental classes (Many schools like Harvard, UConn, Columbia, etc. do med and dental school didactic courses together the first two years). Why I have to do full gross anatomy, I'll never know.

We take over 120 didactic credit hours our first two years. So dental school is just as demanding, if not more so, than the four years of med school prior to residency. Some like to say we do in four what physicians do in seven.

As for the physician argument that we don't save lives, what kind of an argument is that? If we wanted to argue about who saves the most lives here then that award goes straight to public health, not physicians or dentists. As if the only rewarding aspect to healthcare is saving lives? There are primary, secondary, and tertiary levels of treatment, and hopefully, we prevent more than we cure.

I like to quote Plato on this: "The physician of whom you were just speaking, is he a moneymaker, a collector of fees, or a healer of the sick?"

Oh, I bet they do.

Originally Posted by JP2740

dumb. u for sure dumb

How my God, the irony. You (A. Can't spell worth crap. (B. Your punctuation sucks. (C. Your sentence structure sucks.

Allow me to correct your sentence.

JP2740 You're dumb. You're for sure dumb. I have a four year old niece that can write better than you could.


Oh my God, that first part of the new sentence almost sounded like a Dr. Seuss book. ( Which you should start reading more of. )

Originally Posted by diasIItema

In the long run, yes, we dentists will earn more per hour than most physicians.

However, most of my classmates and I are not "in it for the money." If I was in anything for the money, healthcare is the last place I would go. Seriously. Dental school costs more than medical school, at least at my school, by a solid $100,000. On average, dental students come out with $250,000- $300,000 of school debt.

As for dental school, we do almost the exact same didactic course load the first two years as med-students, PLUS dental classes (Many schools like Harvard, UConn, Columbia, etc. do med and dental school didactic courses together the first two years). Why I have to do full gross anatomy, I'll never know.

We take over 120 didactic credit hours our first two years. So dental school is just as demanding, if not more so, than the four years of med school prior to residency. Some like to say we do in four what physicians do in seven.

As for the physician argument that we don't save lives, what kind of an argument is that? If we wanted to argue about who saves the most lives here then that award goes straight to public health, not physicians or dentists. As if the only rewarding aspect to healthcare is saving lives? There are primary, secondary, and tertiary levels of treatment, and hopefully, we prevent more than we cure.

I like to quote Plato on this: "The physician of whom you were just speaking, is he a moneymaker, a collector of fees, or a healer of the sick?"

Never heard of a dentist that can make up more than 500k a year. And it's rare for dentists to make up to even 400k. According to ADA the average general dentist made 185,000 in 2004. After seeing the statement you made of "In the long run, yes, we dentists will earn more per hour than most physicians." I just stopped reading after that.

Also don't say "we dentists" when you're only a dental student.

Originally Posted by AWittyName

How my God, the irony. You (A. Can't spell worth crap. (B. Your punctuation sucks. (C. Your sentence structure sucks.

Allow me to correct your sentence.

JP2740 You're dumb. You're for sure dumb. I have a four year old niece that can write better than you could.


Oh my God, that first part of the new sentence almost sounded like a Dr. Seuss book. ( Which you should start reading more of. )

So the fact that you were unable to identify it as intentional is ________ (fill in the blank)

Originally Posted by diasIItema

In the long run, yes, we dentists will earn more per hour than most physicians.

However, most of my classmates and I are not "in it for the money." If I was in anything for the money, healthcare is the last place I would go. Seriously. Dental school costs more than medical school, at least at my school, by a solid $100,000. On average, dental students come out with $250,000- $300,000 of school debt.

As for dental school, we do almost the exact same didactic course load the first two years as med-students, PLUS dental classes (Many schools like Harvard, UConn, Columbia, etc. do med and dental school didactic courses together the first two years). Why I have to do full gross anatomy, I'll never know.

We take over 120 didactic credit hours our first two years. So dental school is just as demanding, if not more so, than the four years of med school prior to residency. Some like to say we do in four what physicians do in seven.

As for the physician argument that we don't save lives, what kind of an argument is that? If we wanted to argue about who saves the most lives here then that award goes straight to public health, not physicians or dentists. As if the only rewarding aspect to healthcare is saving lives? There are primary, secondary, and tertiary levels of treatment, and hopefully, we prevent more than we cure.

I like to quote Plato on this: "The physician of whom you were just speaking, is he a moneymaker, a collector of fees, or a healer of the sick?"

Please do not validate this trolls nonsense with your own.....

What a terrible thread.

no well i agree with what u are saying. honestly, if i wanted money, i would have really went predentistry. it was my original plan because i figured it was easier cash flow. but honestly. it's not about the money. and thats why im premed. it's for lives

Originally Posted by diasIItema

In the long run, yes, we dentists will earn more per hour than most physicians.

This is actually very true. Dentists work around 35 hours a week. Physicians work around 55 hours a week. (Yes, a lot work less and a lot work more and its hard to have a real concrete number)

Let's say dental primary care is $146,000
Physician primary care is $180,000

Dental specialists still only work those many hours a week and make $300,000 , $500k whatever except for oral surgeons they work more hours but also they can make like $800k or what have you.
Same with medical specialists except the difference is that almost all physicians work more hours than dentists.

In fact I stated with facts and figures in another thread that Optometrists only make $5 less an hour than Family Medicine Doctors while Dentists make more than Family Medicine Doctors per hour.

And also you have to remember Optometrist and General Dentist training is only 4 years or sometimes 5 depending on the state.

if you want money, you goto into finance. It's that simple.

Dentistry and medicine are very comparable financially

Originally Posted by JackShephard MD

What a terrible thread.

Then stop coming back to it?

Originally Posted by Shnurek

This is actually very true. Dentists work around 35 hours a week. Physicians work around 55 hours a week. (Yes, a lot work less and a lot work more and its hard to have a real concrete number)

Let's say dental primary care is $146,000
Physician primary care is $180,000

Dental specialists still only work those many hours a week and make $300,000 , $500k whatever except for oral surgeons they work more hours but also they can make like $800k or what have you.
Same with medical specialists except the difference is that almost all physicians work more hours than dentists.

In fact I stated with facts and figures in another thread that Optometrists only make $5 less an hour than Family Medicine Doctors while Dentists make more than Family Medicine Doctors per hour.

And also you have to remember Optometrist and General Dentist training is only 4 years or sometimes 5 depending on the state.

Leave it to the wannabe opthamologist.

Just waiting for your arrogant reply. ( sarcasm )

Originally Posted by diasIItema

In the long run, yes, we dentists will earn more per hour than most physicians.

However, most of my classmates and I are not "in it for the money." If I was in anything for the money, healthcare is the last place I would go. Seriously. Dental school costs more than medical school, at least at my school, by a solid $100,000. On average, dental students come out with $250,000- $300,000 of school debt.

As for dental school, we do almost the exact same didactic course load the first two years as med-students, PLUS dental classes (Many schools like Harvard, UConn, Columbia, etc. do med and dental school didactic courses together the first two years). Why I have to do full gross anatomy, I'll never know.

We take over 120 didactic credit hours our first two years. So dental school is just as demanding, if not more so, than the four years of med school prior to residency. Some like to say we do in four what physicians do in seven.

As for the physician argument that we don't save lives, what kind of an argument is that? If we wanted to argue about who saves the most lives here then that award goes straight to public health, not physicians or dentists. As if the only rewarding aspect to healthcare is saving lives? There are primary, secondary, and tertiary levels of treatment, and hopefully, we prevent more than we cure.

I like to quote Plato on this: "The physician of whom you were just speaking, is he a moneymaker, a collector of fees, or a healer of the sick?"

But you're still just a dentist.

Quite honestly, who cares if dentists or anyone else including physicians are in it for the money. That's their choice/issue so whatever. Compensation is a huge factor when it comes to selecting a career. Most people out in the real world don't love their jobs and often hate their jobs and it's the reward of a paycheck that keeps them going. That being said, I don't recommend someone going into a career like medicine based solely on the money as that's a recipe for a miserable life.

Even though a lot of aspiring physicians are truly interested in medicine and can't really picture doing anything else, if the average physician salary were to suddenly drop to 70k overnight, there would be a lot less people trying to become doctors. Most people aren't interested in becoming martyrs.

Originally Posted by AWittyName

Leave it to the wannabe opthamologist.

I'll reply to you once you learn how to spell properly.

Originally Posted by smiley27

But you're still just a dentist.

But you're still just an M.D. aka government slave.

CEO > M.D.

How do you like them apples?

Isn't the median optometrist salary less than 100k? There's nothing wrong with that, but you should go back to the children's table while the adults are talking about adult things.

If I wanted to do it for the money I would have continued with my porn career.

Originally Posted by dr zaius

Isn't the median optometrist salary less than 100k? There's nothing wrong with that, but you should go back to the children's table while the adults are talking about adult things.

If I wanted to do it for the money I would have continued with my porn career.

Dirk? Is that you?

Originally Posted by dr zaius

Isn't the median optometrist salary less than 100k? There's nothing wrong with that, but you should go back to the children's table while the adults are talking about adult things.

Median yes, mean no.

As all businesses the real way to make money is to have your own practice and with practice laws in every state its not that hard. The minimum price to open up an OD office is around $30,000 and our malpractice rates are 100x less than an ophthalmologist at around $300-$500. Medical optometrists maybe $2500.

We bill ophthalmology codes and get reimbursed at the same rate. The problem is convincing patients to come to you for not just their glasses/contacts and living in a small town this becomes quite easy as some areas even want ODs as hospital attendings. In urban areas? A lot of ODs get crushed because they have no business sense. Although the one I shadowed claimed he made as much as an ophthalmologist and since he is in a ghetto neighborhood with heavy patient flow, heavy pathology and he sits on all major medical insurance panels, I do not doubt him. Our average income after overhead is $175,000 if you own your own practice.

Originally Posted by Shnurek

Median yes, mean no.

As all businesses the real way to make money is to have your own practice and with practice laws in every state its not that hard. The minimum price to open up an OD office is around $30,000 and our malpractice rates are 100x less than an ophthalmologist at around $300-$500. Medical optometrists maybe $2500.

We bill ophthalmology codes and get reimbursed at the same rate. The problem is convincing patients to come to you for not just their glasses/contacts and living in a small town this becomes quite easy as some areas even want ODs as hospital attendings. In urban areas? A lot of ODs get crushed because they have no business sense. Although the one I shadowed claimed he made as much as an ophthalmologist and since he is in a ghetto neighborhood with heavy patient flow, heavy pathology and he sits on all major medical insurance panels, I do not doubt him. Our average income after overhead is $175,000 if you own your own practice.

Do you know what private practice MD salaries are like? You are pretty clearly comparing apples to hospital employment....

Originally Posted by dr zaius

Isn't the median optometrist salary less than 100k? There's nothing wrong with that, but you should go back to the children's table while the adults are talking about adult things.

If I wanted to do it for the money I would have continued with my porn career.

Mandingo?

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

Do you know what private practice MD salaries are like? You are pretty clearly comparing apples to hospital employment....

Well OD gross private practice income is around $480,000 but its the overhead that kills people.

"Self-employed O.D.s Average Gross Revenue
$486,794 (n = 467)"

And anyways the point is that ODs are better trained than ever, the scope of practice is wider than ever, so those 50, 60 year old optometrists that never used an indirect ophthalmoscope in their lives and couldn't find age related macular degeneration if it was staring at them in the face are slowly being ousted out. The new ODs know how to get onto medical panels and they out earn those old ODs. The new ODs directly compete with comprehensive ophthalmologists except for their surgical island of safety which is being slowly invaded.

Originally Posted by Shnurek

Well OD gross private practice income is around $480,000 but its the overhead that kills people.

"Self-employed O.D.s Average Gross Revenue
$486,794(n = 467)"

And anyways the point is that ODs are better trained than ever, the scope of practice is wider than ever, so those 50, 60 year old optometrists that never used an indirect ophthalmoscope in their lives and couldn't find age related macular degeneration if it was staring at them in the face are slowly being ousted out. The new ODs know how to get onto medical panels and they out earn those old ODs. The new ODs directly compete with comprehensive ophthalmologists except for their surgical island of safety which is being slowly invaded.

The overhead you say? Brilliant! you didn't answer the question

Originally Posted by SpecterGT260

The overhead you say? Brilliant! you didn't answer the question

No, I don't know what they are but I imagine somewhere around 600k-700k gross for primary care, double that for specialists.

you should also understand that gross revenue generated is not the same thing as salary....
http://www.revoptom.com/content/c/22520/

creative accounting can run the papers together at times, but we are clearly talking take-home. Private practice physicians generate substantially more cash flow through their clinics than this 400k figure you keep throwing out..... A good many specialties have academic salaries at or above your gross mark and private is typically significantly higher than academic or hospital employee. Also
http://www.medscape.com/features/sli.../ophthalmology