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Physics? Paying all this money? What else?

The length. Secondary fees.

(sent from my phone - please forgive typos)

Secondaries asking you to input all your classes & grades. WTF is with that, srsly.

Remove: the writing section (coming true in 2013) of the MCAT, the proposed sociology/psychology/etc. section of the MCAT in 2015, volunteering, secondary application fees, personal statements and any other type of essay or writing prompt, school-specific course requirements.

Originally Posted by Oxygen206

Secondaries asking you to input all your classes & grades. WTF is with that, srsly.

haha so true
then they ask you "why medicine"
READ MY PS DUDE

Originally Posted by kpcrew

haha so true
then they ask you "why medicine"
READ MY PS DUDE

You'd be surprised how many people fail to answer that question in their PS. Seems like common sense -- it's not

The crazy volunteering expectations. I understand some volunteering but not everyone wants to build a homeless shelter, create a nonprofit etc etc

Sent from my phone! Blame it on the a-a-autocorrect.

Fail.

THIS IS A SECONDARY QUESTION FROM USC-KECK. OP IS ASKING YOU TO WRITE THE ESSAY FOR HIM.

Just saying.

More people should be allowed to FAP imo

Originally Posted by gettheleadout

THIS IS A SECONDARY QUESTION FROM USC-KECK. OP IS ASKING YOU TO WRITE THE ESSAY FOR HIM.

Just saying.

OP = troll of the year imo.

money

Originally Posted by STAT EKG

More people should be allowed to FAP imo

Originally Posted by STAT EKG

More people should be allowed to FAP imo

Definitely, no one should take away your right to FAP.

Originally Posted by gettheleadout

THIS IS A SECONDARY QUESTION FROM USC-KECK. OP IS ASKING YOU TO WRITE THE ESSAY FOR HIM.

Just saying.

Greatest. Troll. Ever.


Although it could possibly be a coincidence (general curiosity on the OP's side).

I think the application process should be replaced by a Harry Potter-esque sorting hat that not only determines where you'd do best and what school would take you. Personally I'm gunning for hufflepuff aka Wisconsin.

Originally Posted by MedPR

OP = troll of the year imo.

Originally Posted by Stumpyman

Greatest. Troll. Ever.


Although it could possibly be a coincidence (general curiosity on the OP's side).

I get the impression that you have no idea what a troll is.

The OP is a lazy bum but the question is still worth discussing.

The need to demonstrate clinical volunteering. I understand some is necessary to know that you are comfortable around patients, you are OK with seeing gross stuff once in a while, etc. But flying to some armpit of Africa to treat people when you have no medical training is simply negligence. Also, I think it's hypocritical to say sick people in a foreign country inspired you be a physician, then you spend your whole career treating fat Americans. I wish adcoms would call people out on this kind of stuff but seemingly they love it. Which brings me to my second gripe...

The need to demonstrate cultural competence. I understand for a white privileged suburbanite it might be necessary to an extent to show they can interact with others, but for a lot of people it is simply not necessary. If you are from any kind of city or urban background, you will likely interact with lots of people outside your cultural comfort zone every single day, and you are probably much better at doing so than any of your future medical school peers. The need to have an activity to demonstrate that is so friggin lame.

Originally Posted by kpcrew

I get the impression that you have no idea what a troll is.

The OP is a lazy bum but the question is still worth discussing.

Right, I am a lazy bum. Exactly. People discuss far more banal idiotic things on here but I'm a piece of ****/ troll for doing so. You people are ****ing geniuses.


And Patrick icon ****tard and MEDPR moron: when did I ever claim to be using your stupid ****ing ideas to do my USC essays? Right. First of all everyone is posting things to delete. Notice how it says ADD (or delete!). Obviously I am going to do add for my real essay. I don't want to have some negative **** on there like you'll put for yours. Just wanted to post for fun for people to discuss. Clearly everyone on here is incapable of doing anything for fun.

Originally Posted by Ruhroh

The need to demonstrate clinical volunteering. I understand some is necessary to know that you are comfortable around patients, you are OK with seeing gross stuff once in a while, etc. But flying to some armpit of Africa to treat people when you have no medical training is simply negligence. If you want to 'help people' so damn badly you can go to a local soup kitchen and grab a ladle. Which brings me to my second gripe...

The need to demonstrate cultural competence. I understand for a white privileged suburbanite it might be necessary to an extent to show they can interact with others, but for a lot of people it is simply not necessary. If you are from any kind of city or urban background, you will likely interact with lots of people outside your cultural comfort zone every single day, and you are probably much better at doing do than any of your future medical school peers. The need to have an activity to demonstrate that is so friggin lame.

No school wants you to demonstrate this in order to be considered competitive. Sure, it may help but not having such an experience isn't going to count against you.

Originally Posted by grouchasaurous

Right, I am a lazy bum. Exactly. People discuss far more banal idiotic things on here but I'm a piece of ****/ troll for doing so. You people are ****ing geniuses.


And Patrick icon ****tard and MEDPR moron: when did I ever claim to be using your stupid ****ing ideas to do my USC essays? Right. First of all everyone is posting things to delete. Notice how it says ADD (or delete!). Obviously I am going to do add for my real essay. I don't want to have some negative **** on there like you'll put for yours. Just wanted to post for fun for people to discuss. Clearly everyone on here is incapable of doing anything for fun.

You're an *******..

Originally Posted by grouchasaurous

Right, I am a lazy bum. Exactly. People discuss far more banal idiotic things on here but I'm a piece of ****/ troll for doing so. You people are ****ing geniuses.


And Patrick icon ****tard and MEDPR moron: when did I ever claim to be using your stupid ****ing ideas to do my USC essays? Right. First of all everyone is posting things to delete. Notice how it says ADD (or delete!). Obviously I am going to do add for my real essay. I don't want to have some negative **** on there like you'll put for yours. Just wanted to post for fun for people to discuss. Clearly everyone on here is incapable of doing anything for fun.

Sounds like somebody's got a case of the mondays!

Who's Patrick?

Originally Posted by grouchasaurous

Right, I am a lazy bum. Exactly. People discuss far more banal idiotic things on here but I'm a piece of ****/ troll for doing so. You people are ****ing geniuses.

And Patrick icon ****tard and MEDPR moron: when did I ever claim to be using your stupid ****ing ideas to do my USC essays? Right. First of all everyone is posting things to delete. Notice how it says ADD (or delete!). Obviously I am going to do add for my real essay. I don't want to have some negative **** on there like you'll put for yours. Just wanted to post for fun for people to discuss. Clearly everyone on here is incapable of doing anything for fun.

lol I didn't even care but that kind of hostility just makes you look even more guilty. u mad bro????

Originally Posted by Ruhroh

lol I didn't even care but that kind of hostility just makes you look even more guilty. u mad bro????

It just seems people on here are always out to call other people trolls/ expose them when they're not doing anything underhanded. Typicaly premed stuff. Makes me upset.

Use your Banhammer "Patrick Icon" man...

Originally Posted by STAT EKG

More people should be allowed to FAP imo

In all seriousness, that or they shouldn't require you to go by your parent's income if you're not a dependent.

Since this is a troll thread i shall give a troll response. I would remove the entire process and any medical school you want to go to you auto matically get in.

The essays. -_- I understand a personal statement is useful to get a better picture of the applicant. But they should stop there.

As you can tell I'm overwhelmed with secondaries right now and have had little time to work on them.
Doesn't help that I go on SDN and read about users banging these essays out and submitting them the day they're emailed out.

Originally Posted by zeppelinpage4

The essays. -_- I understand a personal statement is useful to get a better picture of the applicant. But they should stop there.

As you can tell I'm overwhelmed with secondaries right now and have had little time to work on them.
Doesn't help that I go on SDN and read about users banging these essays out and submitting them the day they're emailed out.

I assure you that most of them are likely poor quality. Unless you're the new Charles Dickens, I highly, highly doubt that anyone can write high-quality essays within a few hours.

Originally Posted by grouchasaurous

Right, I am a lazy bum. Exactly. People discuss far more banal idiotic things on here but I'm a piece of ****/ troll for doing so. You people are ****ing geniuses.


And Patrick icon ****tard and MEDPR moron: when did I ever claim to be using your stupid ****ing ideas to do my USC essays? Right. First of all everyone is posting things to delete. Notice how it says ADD (or delete!). Obviously I am going to do add for my real essay. I don't want to have some negative **** on there like you'll put for yours. Just wanted to post for fun for people to discuss. Clearly everyone on here is incapable of doing anything for fun.

Well, you sure showed us what is the proper way have fun.

And considering how complicated the process currently is, I don't think anyone honestly would advocate for adding more requirements - that would be rather silly, would not it?

Originally Posted by NickNaylor

I assure you that most of them are likely poor quality. Unless you're the new Charles Dickens, I highly, highly doubt that anyone can write high-quality essays within a few hours.

Thanks for the reassurance. I'm trying to follow your advice from another thread and so I'm taking some time to write these well.

Add: more math. Calc III, Calc IV, linear algebra, etc
Remove: Letters of recommendations, secondaries,

Originally Posted by Permavirgin

Add: more math. Calc III, Calc IV, linear algebra, etc
Remove: Letters of recommendations, secondaries,

What would linear algebra possibly show about your ability to succeed in med school?

Originally Posted by grouchasaurous

Right, I am a lazy bum. Exactly. People discuss far more banal idiotic things on here but I'm a piece of ****/ troll for doing so. You people are ****ing geniuses.


And Patrick icon ****tard and MEDPR moron: when did I ever claim to be using your stupid ****ing ideas to do my USC essays? Right. First of all everyone is posting things to delete. Notice how it says ADD (or delete!). Obviously I am going to do add for my real essay. I don't want to have some negative **** on there like you'll put for yours. Just wanted to post for fun for people to discuss. Clearly everyone on here is incapable of doing anything for fun.

Awww, Does the wittle guy have a poopy diaper

Originally Posted by TheMightySmiter

What would linear algebra possibly show about your ability to succeed in med school?

The same can be said for verbal, writing, doing math without a calculator, most of physics and most of organic chemistry.

Originally Posted by Permavirgin

Add: more math. Calc III, Calc IV, linear algebra, etc

this is would be the single worst idea in the history of bad ideas.

anways, the Physical sciences section can go die in a fire, so that should be removed from the application process. I'd rather have them keep the writing section and get rid of the physical sciences section.

The mcat

Originally Posted by grouchasaurous

Right, I am a lazy bum. Exactly. People discuss far more banal idiotic things on here but I'm a piece of ****/ troll for doing so. You people are ****ing geniuses.


And Patrick icon ****tard and MEDPR moron: when did I ever claim to be using your stupid ****ing ideas to do my USC essays? Right. First of all everyone is posting things to delete. Notice how it says ADD (or delete!). Obviously I am going to do add for my real essay. I don't want to have some negative **** on there like you'll put for yours. Just wanted to post for fun for people to discuss. Clearly everyone on here is incapable of doing anything for fun.

I don't think advocating for removal of some part of the process necessitates a "negative" tone in your essay. Constructive ideas would show critical thinking ability, while whining about something you don't like would obviously not come across well.

Originally Posted by dmf2682

Sounds like somebody's got a case of the mondays!

Who's Patrick?

Me!

Originally Posted by Permavirgin

The same can be said for verbal, writing, doing math without a calculator, most of physics and most of organic chemistry.

You don't think qualitative analytical reasoning is important? What's more valuable in your opinion: being able to flesh out the main points of a scholarly article or being able to find the volume of a second degree polynomial rotated around y=4? Beyond basic math and very basic calculus principles, math is useless. Physics could pretty much be tossed out. The only useful parts of physics are basic E and M and fluid dynamics. More bio and less math is really what should happen. I think biochem, physiology, and intro to neuroscience should be required.

And why in the world would you eliminate LORs? They can be very valuable, but the problem is that most pre-med students don't bother to really know their professors until they realize junior year that they need something from them. I suppose you could make the argument that you'll be able to tell a person's personality at interview, but we all know that many jerks can pretend to be nice and many nice folks too nervous to interview well. If you actually take the time to get to know a professor, they can say a lot about your character in their letter that may not be seen in a 30 minute pressure-filled interview.

Originally Posted by Permavirgin

The same can be said for verbal, writing, doing math without a calculator, most of physics and most of organic chemistry.

I believe all of those are more applicable to medical school than high-level mathematics. I only took through Calc III, but even that was useless when I had to take the rest of the med school pre reqs later on.

Originally Posted by grouchasaurous

Right, I am a lazy bum. Exactly. People discuss far more banal idiotic things on here but I'm a piece of ****/ troll for doing so. You people are ****ing geniuses.


And Patrick icon ****tard and MEDPR moron: when did I ever claim to be using your stupid ****ing ideas to do my USC essays? Right. First of all everyone is posting things to delete. Notice how it says ADD (or delete!). Obviously I am going to do add for my real essay. I don't want to have some negative **** on there like you'll put for yours. Just wanted to post for fun for people to discuss. Clearly everyone on here is incapable of doing anything for fun.

pft you copy/pasted instead of trying to put it in your own words
please.

Originally Posted by maybemed2013

The mcat

So that there's no way to tell a 3.7 from Georgia Southern and a 3.7 from Cornell? No thank you.

Seems like most of the people in this thread just want to eliminate anything that makes getting into medical school more involved than simply a high bio GPA and a good MCAT BS/PS score.

Almost all of the suggestions so far are terrible...and quite clearly influenced by personal biases instead of concern for a fair, relevant means of evaluating and comparing applicants.

Also what TMS said.

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VR+PS+ writing section, effectively making the mcat a multiple choice 1 hour biology exam

Originally Posted by gettheleadout

Almost all of the suggestions so far are terrible...and quite clearly influenced by personal biases instead of concern for a fair, relevant means of evaluating and comparing applicants.

Also what TMS said.

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Haha, well, even though it is very much a personal bias, I still think that de-emphasizing the PS section and making it more biological sciences heavy would be more fair for admissions to medical school.

Originally Posted by Vandy Premed

So that there's no way to tell a 3.7 from Georgia Southern and a 3.7 from Cornell? No thank you.

Not sure how the MCAT makes that distinction. I have a lower GPA than tons of applicants, but also a higher MCAT. Doesn't make me smarter or them dumber...

Originally Posted by TheMightySmiter

Seems like most of the people in this thread just want to eliminate anything that makes getting into medical school more involved than simply a high... GPA and a good MCAT... score.

I'd rather be treated as a number.

Originally Posted by Ruhroh

The need to demonstrate clinical volunteering. I understand some is necessary to know that you are comfortable around patients, you are OK with seeing gross stuff once in a while, etc. But flying to some armpit of Africa to treat people when you have no medical training is simply negligence. Also, I think it's hypocritical to say sick people in a foreign country inspired you be a physician, then you spend your whole career treating fat Americans. I wish adcoms would call people out on this kind of stuff but seemingly they love it. Which brings me to my second gripe...

The need to demonstrate cultural competence. I understand for a white privileged suburbanite it might be necessary to an extent to show they can interact with others, but for a lot of people it is simply not necessary. If you are from any kind of city or urban background, you will likely interact with lots of people outside your cultural comfort zone every single day, and you are probably much better at doing so than any of your future medical school peers. The need to have an activity to demonstrate that is so friggin lame.

Not always true. There are probably quite a few peeps in the city who only hang out/associate with one race only and ignore everyone else.

Originally Posted by TheMightySmiter

Seems like most of the people in this thread just want to eliminate anything that makes getting into medical school more involved than simply a high bio GPA and a good MCAT BS/PS score.

well these are pre-meds that are responding. :P

It makes some sense though why people would think this, since most people hate the competition part of med school, and view a lot of stuff as BS and wish things were gone. Some things are BS though, which I agree.

And if they only left the bio portion of the MCAT, it'll just be a 5 hour bio exam instead of 1 hour :O