Go Back   Student Doctor Network Forums > Medical Student Forums > Allopathic

Allopathic MD student topics. For current medical students. RSS: Feed Icon


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-01-2012, 12:38 PM   #1
Half man, half bearpig
 
ManBroDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: I'm super cereal, you guys!
Posts: 1,643
SDN Gold Donor SDN 2+ Year Member
Default Must-have Books


SDN Members don't see this ad. (About Ads)
I'm starting M1 in a week and the school's requires textbook list is so long (and expensive) I decided to ask you guys for advice. There's multiple books per class, too. The advice on SDN seems to be to get one book and learn it front to back.

So SDN, what are those books?
__________________
You've got, that jaded feeling
ManBroDude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 01:47 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 253
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Anatomy atlas (Gilroy or Netter and/or Rohen) and BRS physiology. These are really the only books I would consider "must have" for M1 year.
SoundofSilver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 02:07 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 56

Default

Best source of info is your school's M2's for textbooks - they'll tell you specifically which ones you need which ones you don't. I'd also say get an anatomy atlas - Rohen if you're taking it with you to the dissection room. Netter's is too abstract/cartoon-like to easily follow along while you're cutting. Other than that, chances are you're going to get a syllabus (not like undergrad where it's 1-3 pages of the schedule) that's going to be a book in itself, which will be what you need to know for the tests most of the time.
Ironheme is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 03:43 PM   #4
I am tired, I am weary
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 695
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

DO NOT buy any books before school starts. DO NOT.
VenusinFurs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2012, 08:46 PM   #5
7 more years
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 11
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Best two systems-specific books that I've come across that saved my butt:
Lilly Cardiology
Vander Renal Physiology

Two really fantastic resources for when you get into cardio and renal
cxp119 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 12:49 AM   #6
Half man, half bearpig
 
ManBroDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: I'm super cereal, you guys!
Posts: 1,643
SDN Gold Donor SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Thanks guys. My big sib is apparently kind of a (good guy) gunner so I'll definitely ask him.

Any love for annotating First Aid or Costanzo's BRS physio book?
ManBroDude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 05:34 AM   #7
Intensity In Ten Cities
 
FSUseminoleEM1's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Tallahassee
Posts: 191

Default

If your school has a clinically oriented anatomy class, get BRS Gross. The practice questions following each section will mirror what you'll see on your class exams.
__________________
>>--FSU-MD-> Class of 2016
FSUseminoleEM1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 05:47 AM   #8
Dr. Cox Protege
 
NickNaylor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Houstatlantavegas
Posts: 12,216
SDN Published Author SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ManBroDude View Post
Thanks guys. My big sib is apparently kind of a (good guy) gunner so I'll definitely ask him.

Any love for annotating First Aid or Costanzo's BRS physio book?
I used BRS physio and loved it - very concise yet easily understandable.

First Aid is good for some things, but it likely won't be sufficient for your classes. It's a good way to review the "basics," but at least for us simply knowing First Aid probably wouldn't be enough to pass the exams.

Other books I would recommend are Netter's and Rohen's for anatomy and Micro Made Simple for microbio. I didn't use anything for genetics/cell bio/biochem or pathology as our notes were sufficient and the most efficient way to study. As someone else said, though, you really should wait to talk to older students and see what they did. Study tools are very school-dependent since what will actually be covered and how you will be tested depends on individual professors and school policies.
__________________
-NickNaylor
http://medicalschoolisseriousbusiness.com/

...for even the mind depends so greatly on the temperament and on the disposition of the organs of the body that, if it is possible to find some means to render men generally more wise and more adroit than they have been up until now, I believe that one should look for it in medicine.

Rene Descartes, Discourse on Method
NickNaylor is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 05:52 AM   #9
5K+ Member
 
tiedyeddog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: in search of awesome victory
Posts: 6,299
SDN 5+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NickNaylor View Post

Other books I would recommend are Netter's and Rohen's for anatomy and Micro Made Simple for microbio. I didn't use anything for genetics/cell bio/biochem or pathology as our notes were sufficient and the most efficient way to study.
I agree with this.

Anatomy: Netter's and possibly Rohen
Micro: Micro Made Rid. Simple. It will help you, for real. Best money spent on a book during my m1 year.

If I could go back I probably would have not bought big robbins. I actually read it during M1 with my classes. Can't say it helped tremendously, if at all.
__________________
I learned a long time ago that minor surgery is when they do the operation on someone else, not you. ~Bill Walton
tiedyeddog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 05:58 AM   #10
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 16

Default

How does Thieme's atlas compare to the others mentioned here?
Feed Me is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 06:25 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 253
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Feed Me View Post
How does Thieme's atlas compare to the others mentioned here?
I used Thieme AKA Gilroy. The atlas tends to break things up more than Netter which throws everything at you at once from what I understand. Although the pictures in Gilroy were beautiful, I would have liked to see more complete plates (rather than a picture of blood vessels superimposed on a skeleton, yeah this is awesome for clearly seeing the vessels but you kind of lose the anatomic relationships to other stuff which is what anatomy is really all about). That being said, I'm not really sure I would switch atlases if I had to do it again considering I did quite well in the course with Thieme.
SoundofSilver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 06:43 AM   #12
5K+ Member
 
tiedyeddog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: in search of awesome victory
Posts: 6,299
SDN 5+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Feed Me View Post
How does Thieme's atlas compare to the others mentioned here?
I hated thiemes(gilroy's). I am in the minority here but I loved grant's. I also liked netter's I just didn't buy it, but the flash cards were helpful.

This might be school specific, but at my school a ton of test questions were taken out of the "blue boxes" of essential clinical anatomy. You might consider buying ECA just for those little boxes. They have external location points, too, which are bound to come up on exams.
tiedyeddog is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 07:27 AM   #13
MS2
 
eablackwell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Cloud 9
Posts: 1,652
SDN Emeritus Moderator SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

I'm a big fan of the BRS series, and I have used BRS physio in several classes. I used Rohen's book and Netter's cards for anatomy and it worked very well. Goljan's Path is a must, in my opinion. I also used First Aid Basic Principles and Organ Systems quite a bit. Micro Made Ridiculously Simple was hilarious and helpful. The pictures are priceless.

I bought every book for my first class in M1, and they are all still in my locker. I don't even remember the combo to my locker, as I haven't opened it since about 3 or 4 weeks into M1.

However, it really depends on how your school runs classes. My school does NBME finals, so while the textbooks are superfluous, the review books are golden.
__________________
FIU HWCOM C/O 2015
eablackwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 07:47 AM   #14
I KNOW NOTHING
 
calvnandhobbs68's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Illinois
Posts: 2,270
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Feed Me View Post
How does Thieme's atlas compare to the others mentioned here?
I have Thieme's and the pictures are top notch. Much less cartoony than Netter's which is what I really like about it. I'm not a big textbook guy though so I really only busted it out to look at when I needed some better visual review of something.

Regarding the prior post about it, I thought it showed relationships pretty well. There were barebones plates but the plates tend to go deep to superficial so you definitely get plates with everything on them. I don't think it throws as much stuff on one plate as Netters or Greys though so you might not see one single plate with everything labeled. The atlas also has tons of useful tables and diagrams that simplify everything.

I'd definitely get the atlas again if I were to get one. The pictures are just awesome and I liked the organization. Like I said before, Netter's is too cartoony for me and Grey's is a gigantic textbook (I think they do have an atlas but I never saw it).
calvnandhobbs68 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 09:52 AM   #15
Member
 
Bane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 92

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by calvnandhobbs68 View Post
I have Thieme's and the pictures are top notch. Much less cartoony than Netter's which is what I really like about it. I'm not a big textbook guy though so I really only busted it out to look at when I needed some better visual review of something.

Regarding the prior post about it, I thought it showed relationships pretty well. There were barebones plates but the plates tend to go deep to superficial so you definitely get plates with everything on them. I don't think it throws as much stuff on one plate as Netters or Greys though so you might not see one single plate with everything labeled. The atlas also has tons of useful tables and diagrams that simplify everything.

I'd definitely get the atlas again if I were to get one. The pictures are just awesome and I liked the organization. Like I said before, Netter's is too cartoony for me and Grey's is a gigantic textbook (I think they do have an atlas but I never saw it).
I also prefer Theime. The art is better. Netter's advantage is better anatomical relationships.
Bane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 05:16 PM   #16
Half man, half bearpig
 
ManBroDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: I'm super cereal, you guys!
Posts: 1,643
SDN Gold Donor SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eablackwell View Post
I'm a big fan of the BRS series, and I have used BRS physio in several classes. I used Rohen's book and Netter's cards for anatomy and it worked very well. Goljan's Path is a must, in my opinion. I also used First Aid Basic Principles and Organ Systems quite a bit. Micro Made Ridiculously Simple was hilarious and helpful. The pictures are priceless.
Just found this gem:

ManBroDude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 08:02 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
hrandani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: van down by the river
Posts: 346
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

My school's clinical intro stuff was non-existent and my attendings had better things to do, so Sapira's Art & Science of Bedside Diagnosis was absolutely invaluable in teaching me how to think when I see patients. In comparison, other physical diagnosis books seem like they were written for children.

Once you get past basic sciences physiology and you're sitting in the emergency department staring at a sheet of paper with no idea what's going on, you're going to need to actually understand clinical electrophysiology, so chuck Dubin and pick up Tomas Garcia's 12 lead EKG: The Art of Interpretation. Arrhythmia Recognition: The Art Of Interpretation is the sequel and it's pretty amazing as well.

Once you get through those books you really have a leg up on being able to see who knows what they're actually talking about. I believe that gunners don't read them because it's mostly untestable material, though.

Still haven't found a solid book for clinical pharm, that's my next goal.
hrandani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 08:23 PM   #18
Ripe Prince of Westwood
 
FunnyCurrent's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 538
SDN Gold Donor
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VenusinFurs View Post
DO NOT buy any books before school starts. DO NOT.
I thought this advice was bull**** when I was a pre-M1 but he's right.
__________________
CLASS OF 2015
FunnyCurrent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 10:15 AM   #19
Dr. Cox Protege
 
NickNaylor's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Houstatlantavegas
Posts: 12,216
SDN Published Author SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FunnyCurrent View Post
I thought this advice was bull**** when I was a pre-M1 but he's right.
Rinse and repeat and I think that describes receiving advice from older students pretty well.
NickNaylor is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2012, 11:50 AM   #20
Gettin High
 
alpinism's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 423
SDN Gold Donor
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VenusinFurs View Post
DO NOT buy any books before school starts. DO NOT.
This.

If you're gonna get something, look into BRS/Made Ridiculously Simple/High Yield series.

Honestly even these will only be used to supplement lecture notes which should be your primary source of study material for class. At least the review books will also be helpful for Step 1 studying.

You barely have enough time to learn/memorize the stuff in lecture, getting a bunch of huge texts that you'll never have time to read is just a waste of money.

Or u can be like all those M3/M4's who try to peddle their unused books to unsuspecting M1s during orientation week - "Its brand new, never been opened! I'm practically giving it away for 1/2 price!"

lol I wonder why?
alpinism is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2012, 10:56 PM   #21
Half man, half bearpig
 
ManBroDude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: I'm super cereal, you guys!
Posts: 1,643
SDN Gold Donor SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Hardcore book peddling this week at my school. Part of the reason I started this thread. Someone from my school PMed me and said the BRS books are a good supplement.
ManBroDude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-07-2012, 11:18 PM   #22
Senior Member
 
hrandani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: van down by the river
Posts: 346
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

I didn't read your post very well.

I agree that you shouldn't buy anything until you're in your first week and ideally after you find a mentor at your school who isn't trying to sell you anything.
hrandani is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2012, 05:06 PM   #23
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 30
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default Nice thread

Great Thread. This helps me, too.
Netter has an ipad app. The trial version looks pretty good. has a quiz function.
What do you all think of the app? do you think it is better than the physical book?
__________________
SUNY Downstate
MD 2016
redhotpokerb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2012, 08:53 PM   #24
...is a girl :)
 
Ismet's Avatar
 
MDApps: View Profile
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Da 'Burgh
Posts: 2,497
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by redhotpokerb View Post
Great Thread. This helps me, too.
Netter has an ipad app. The trial version looks pretty good. has a quiz function.
What do you all think of the app? do you think it is better than the physical book?
I'm interested in a response to this as well. I have the free version right now and it seems pretty great, plus it's light and portable so I can study on the bus or wherever I am without lugging the atlas. The quiz feature will help me a lot more than the Netter's flashcards since I was never a flashcard person. A couple people in my class are also considering the app, but since it's so much more expensive than buying the book off an upperclassman, we're not really sure. Anyone have success with the app?
__________________
University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine - Class of 2016!
Ismet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2012, 05:08 PM   #25
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 30
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ismet View Post
i'm interested in a response to this as well. I have the free version right now and it seems pretty great, plus it's light and portable so i can study on the bus or wherever i am without lugging the atlas. The quiz feature will help me a lot more than the netter's flashcards since i was never a flashcard person. A couple people in my class are also considering the app, but since it's so much more expensive than buying the book off an upperclassman, we're not really sure. Anyone have success with the app?

jb???
redhotpokerb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2012, 11:05 AM   #26
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 140

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ismet View Post
I'm interested in a response to this as well. I have the free version right now and it seems pretty great, plus it's light and portable so I can study on the bus or wherever I am without lugging the atlas. The quiz feature will help me a lot more than the Netter's flashcards since I was never a flashcard person. A couple people in my class are also considering the app, but since it's so much more expensive than buying the book off an upperclassman, we're not really sure. Anyone have success with the app?
I have only been in class for a week now, but I have been using Netter's iPad app and really like it.
__________________
Class of 2016!!
blub1212 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2012, 06:33 AM   #27
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Eastern NC
Posts: 10
SDN 2+ Year Member
Default

I started using the Netter's iPad app after the first test block and found it extremely helpful. I also used the rohen's atlas. For the last test block (pelvis and lower limb), I downloaded the Inkling version of Grant's Atlas. It was nice, but I preferred the iPad Netter's Atlas of the two electronic.
patmando is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2012, 08:18 AM   #28
Senior Member
 
DrMediterranean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 458

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by redhotpokerb View Post
jb???
I thought about that but in retrospect every iphone i jb'd ended up functioning super slow. It really slows down the operational speed of the device, even AFTER I revirginize it! So why on earth would I do such a thing to my beautiful new iPad?
DrMediterranean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2012, 04:56 PM   #29
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 140

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by patmando View Post
I started using the Netter's iPad app after the first test block and found it extremely helpful. I also used the rohen's atlas. For the last test block (pelvis and lower limb), I downloaded the Inkling version of Grant's Atlas. It was nice, but I preferred the iPad Netter's Atlas of the two electronic.
Inkling books are awesome!
blub1212 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2012, 11:47 PM   #30
1K Member
 
Siggy's Avatar
 
MDApps: View Profile
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Pomona, CA
Posts: 1,996
SDN 7+ Year Member
Default

House of God. While it won't help you in class, it's a classic that every med student needs to read before residency.
Siggy is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:53 AM.


Comments are closed.