1st-year failed 3 classes and subjected to the dismissal committee

[theparadox]

Hello everyone, I have been a long time lurker of this forum since my premed days. Now I'm at such a critical point in my life that I would like any advice/opinions from you. I really have no idea if I would be dismissed or not, and if I do, what options I might have.

I failed gross, neuro, and physio in my first year with a few percentage points off (as many as 10%). I barely passed other basic science classes (i.e. hovering at about 70%). In other words, I guess I'd be ranking last in my class right now. My school policy is that I will have to plead my case in front of the dismissal committee later this summer why they should let me have a second chance. Their decision will be by a case-by-case basis, and as such, they couldn't provide me with past students' fate. I have searched on google and this site but most of what I found is about 3rd/4th dismissal or 1st-year who only failed 1 or 2 classes, or 2nd-year dismissal because of repeatedly failing Step 1. If there is anyone out there who has/had similar situations, would you like to provide some insights to help? And if your school has similar policy, could you tell me what is the common decision? What kind of questions do they usually ask?

As to what I think why I failed, it condensed to these points:
* bad study habits - I've been changing this. It resulted in me scoring higher after each exam but apparently not enough to pass.
* too cocky to accept failure.
(Edited as suggestions from others. My other reasons sounded just like excuses so I excluded them.)

Other than that, I'm still attracted to medicine (ER, sports med...) and would have no issue if given the chance to repeat the 1st year and move on. But I also want to prepare for the worst and look into alternatives if it happens.

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[Perrotfish]

Hello everyone, I have been a long time lurker of this forum since my premed days. Now I'm at such a critical point in my life that I would like any advice/opinions from you. I really have no idea if I would be dismissed or not, and if I do, what options I might have.

I failed gross, neuro, and physio in my first year with a few percentage points off (as many as 10%). I barely passed other basic science classes (i.e. hovering at about 70%). In other words, I guess I'd be ranking last in my class right now. My school policy is that I will have to plead my case in front of the dismissal committee later this summer why they should let me have a second chance. Their decision will be by a case-by-case basis, and as such, they couldn't provide me with past students' fate. I have searched on google and this site but most of what I found is about 3rd/4th dismissal or 1st-year who only failed 1 or 2 classes, or 2nd-year dismissal because of repeatedly failing Step 1. If there is anyone out there who has/had similar situations, would you like to provide some insights to help? And if your school has similar policy, could you tell me what is the common decision? What kind of questions do they usually ask?

As to what I think why I failed, it condensed to these points:
* bad study habits - I've been changing this. It resulted in me scoring higher after each exam but apparently not enough to pass.
* out-of-state family and fiancee issue - she lives and works in the west coast, and I go to school about 2000 miles away in the south. The wedding has been called off as a result.
* parents' mortgages worry. I seriously considered military scholarship to help out during the last fall semester. I got one but parents and fiancee persuaded against it, and I decided not to take that route.

Other than that, I'm still attracted to medicine (ER, sports med or derm) and would have no issue if given the chance to repeat the 1st year and move on. But I also want to prepare for the worst and look into alternatives if it happens.

I would imagine that your goal is to prove that just because you failed out once doesn't mean you're going to fail out again. Your strongest argument is that your grades have steadily gone up after each exam as you learned better study habits. This might also be a good time to spring for an ADD evaluation, BTW. If it turns out you have a correctable problem and you can show that you're correcting it will probably help.

Oh, and if they ask you what you might want to do with your career, don't mention derm.

 

[WellWornLad]

I feel for you, it can't be pleasant to end your first year with this hanging over you. These things really are case-by-case. If I were you I'd take responsibility, focus on what you did wrong, and talk about how you're addressing those problems. They'll be looking for accountability, insight into your problems, actions you're taking, and a true desire to dust yourself off and continue with school.

I wouldn't bring up the issues about your fiancée or your parent's mortgage. Long-distance relationship problems are very common in med school and residency and aren't going to go far in explaining 3 failures. Likewise, lots of students pay their own way through medical school without their parents' help, so I don't think they're going to be too sympathetic for your guilty conscience. Stick to what you did or didn't do, because outside of major health problems for you or your family they aren't going to be interested in contributing extrinsic factors (a.k.a. excuses).

 

[theparadox]

Would it be a good idea not to mention my residency choice specifically? And that I will make a decision depending on how well I score on Step 1?

Also, I don't mean to use those personal issues as excuse. I understand that they can interpret it as an excuse, but I just want to let them know about those distractions and why I didn't devote 100%. Overall, I know it's myself to blame for these failures.

 

[NontradICUdoc]

I am sorry that you are in this situation. the worse thing you can do is to make excuses for your work. You have the summer to show the committee that they should give you another chance.

Does your school offer a program when there go over the material before the semester starts? If so, then go to it. If your school offers tutoring service of an academic assistance program, speak with them and discuss ways to prove that you can handle the work the second time around.

You need to prove the members of the committee that you understand why you under performed and you have been working on ways to prevent a repeat performance. Find out if you can audit some of these classes at a medical school that offers them in the summer. Whatever you can do, do it. Your job is to convince the committee that you can handle the work now. You cannot worry about step 1 if you cannot get passed year 1.

I know of 2 people who were in the same situation as you. One did the above, the other did nothing. Guess which one is a 4th year now and the other is trying to get into a medical school in Mexico.

 

[Bacchus]

Your goal is to show how you have improved and what you'll continue to do to show improvement and passing. Saying you want to pursue derm (after failing 3 classes) makes you look delusional and completely disconnected from this whole process. You will not match derm. I wouldn't even bring residency up.

I'd also follow the advice to get an evaluation for learning disabilities/etc. Correct the problem if necessary.

You're your own advocate. No one is batting for you except through support. Make the best case you have, don't seem like you're trying to place the blame elsewhere and prove (not just say) you're going to do your damnedest to make it through.

 

[theparadox]

First of all, these are very good advices you all have been giving out, so thank you! I have started/planned a few things you recommended:

* Tutoring - I have used this service early on, but not as frequently. I found group study with my friends helped a lot more.
* Summer classes - already contacted the course directors and I'm waiting for their response/policy for auditing.
* Learning disabilities: are you guys referring to ADD and such? Can adults still have this condition just as kids? I have gone through undergrad with no problem so it's hard to imagine that I would have this disease. Will the committee use this diagnosis as a cognitive standard to disqualify someone?

 

[Perrotfish]

Also, I don't mean to use those personal issues as excuse. I understand that they can interpret it as an excuse, but I just want to let them know about those distractions and why I didn't devote 100%. Overall, I know it's myself to blame for these failures.

Personally I'm not saying don't make excuses, I'm just saying don't make your excuse a problem that you can't resolve. Only mention things that clearly impacted your studying, and which you have a clear solution for. If you have a clear solution for the fiancee/parents dilemmas then go ahead and mention them. If they're still going to be problems next year, then I don't see what good it does to talk about them at your hearing.

Just another med student's opinion, of course. I've never been on one of these committees.

Learning disabilities: are you guys referring to ADD and such? Can adults still have this condition just as kids? I have gone through undergrad with no problem so it's hard to imagine that I would have this disease. Will the committee use this diagnosis as a cognitive standard to disqualify someone?

Highly intelligent adults are often able to compesate for poor attention spans when they're in a relatively low demand enviornment like K-12 education and many Undergrads, and so they only get diagnosed when they get to medical school and are forced to function closer to their peak capacity. That's true of a lot of other psych diagnoses as well, BTW. Many medical students will pick up diagnoses of (and meds for) Anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, and ADHD in first year, and then another batch will start meds when they hit MS-III.

 

[Another Chance]

I went before the dismissal committee during first year. I was dismissed actually. I ended up winning an appeal and was re-instated. What you need to do is take 100% responsibility and correct the situation. None of this I was distracted by parents' mortgage stuff unless your parents have suddenly won the lottery and that problem has been solved. Honestly, that sounds like an excuse not an explanation, even though I fully understand how that could have partly caused this. To them, it won't seem that way. Same with the fiancee issue.

Bad study habits need to be fixed. Come up with a plan. A good one. A viable one. You were overwhelmed and you need help. You need to ask for it and now you are. My letter to the appeals committee was around 10 pages and it outlined how to fix my study problems, including going to an educational specialist, being tested for any kind of learning problems, being tested for what kind of learner I am and "learning" to learn that way, visiting with my academic advisor weekly, getting tutors for everything, seeing the school's academic specialist frequently, on and on. All of that stuff was genuine. I wasn't just saying it to get back in school. I was let back in and I did everything I said I would and I'm doing much better.

It's not fun going up against the dismissal committee. It's even less fun appealing their decision. But you can get through this. Believe in yourself and be more humble than you've ever been in your life.

 

[Pansit]

I went before the dismissal committee during first year. I was dismissed actually. I ended up winning an appeal and was re-instated. What you need to do is take 100% responsibility and correct the situation. None of this I was distracted by parents' mortgage stuff unless your parents have suddenly won the lottery and that problem has been solved. Honestly, that sounds like an excuse not an explanation, even though I fully understand how that could have partly caused this. To them, it won't seem that way. Same with the fiancee issue.

Bad study habits need to be fixed. Come up with a plan. A good one. A viable one. You were overwhelmed and you need help. You need to ask for it and now you are. My letter to the appeals committee was around 10 pages and it outlined how to fix my study problems, including going to an educational specialist, being tested for any kind of learning problems, being tested for what kind of learner I am and "learning" to learn that way, visiting with my academic advisor weekly, getting tutors for everything, seeing the school's academic specialist frequently, on and on. All of that stuff was genuine. I wasn't just saying it to get back in school. I was let back in and I did everything I said I would and I'm doing much better.

It's not fun going up against the dismissal committee. It's even less fun appealing their decision. But you can get through this. Believe in yourself and be more humble than you've ever been in your life.

Very good advice. You need to own up to your failures and provide a very good step by step plan of how you will fix it. Recognizing your failures and creating a plan to fix will go a long way. A lot of us medical students have a very bad tendency in not admitting failure. We have been top students since kindergarten and your initial tendencies are to give reasons why, which will sound like excuses. They already know you are smart because you got in. They just need to know that you understand you have a problem and thought about how you would go about fixing it.

 

[PMPMD]

theparadox,

Sent you a PM.

 

[MedStudentWanna]

OP, I'm sorry to hear about what you're going through.

Do you attend a DO school by any chance? At some DO schools, there isn't an option to repeat the year. It's just remediation or dismissal. Most MD schools seem to have a repeat-the-year option. Is this an option for you? If so, I would play up on that, talk about fixing your study strategies and instead of remediation, I'd suggest to the committee that you'd repeat the whole year, even classes you passed, to prove that you have what it takes. It'll help you in the long-run too because you'll know the material that much better and build a great foundation for second year and boards.

 

[theparadox]

I joined a MD school, and repeating the year is their option. I don't mind repeating the year as I think it can only help me more. Of course, if I'm given a chance to stay.

 

[n618ft]

Find 1 person that they let stay after having been in the same situation as you are now. They absolutely can't act capriciously or you can smear them all over a court room floor.

 

[deuist]

Find 1 person that they let stay after having been in the same situation as you are now. They absolutely can't act capriciously or you can smear them all over a court room floor.

That's your advice? Sue them into letting him stay despite consistent failings? Even a hint of a lawsuit with set up a bad relationship that---even if he is allowed to stay---will tarnish his reputation for the rest of his time in school.

Other people on this board have already given the answer. Own up to bad study habits and find a way to rectify the situation. Everything else that the OP mentioned---the family, the fiancee, the cost of a mortgage---are all excuses and should be left out.

 

[ArcGurren]

That's your advice? Sue them into letting him stay despite consistent failings? Even a hint of a lawsuit with set up a bad relationship that---even if he is allowed to stay---will tarnish his reputation for the rest of his time in school.

Other people on this board have already given the answer. Own up to bad study habits and find a way to rectify the situation. Everything else that the OP mentioned---the family, the fiancee, the cost of a mortgage---are all excuses and should be left out.

I think his point is that he shouldn't let them walk all over him. I don't think it would be appropriate in his instance since he's got low numbers as the reason they're holding the hearing, but there are definitely instances in which medical schools have acted on petty impulses.

 

[DrBowtie]

I think his point is that he shouldn't let them walk all over him. I don't think it would be appropriate in his instance since he's got low numbers as the reason they're holding the hearing, but there are definitely instances in which medical schools have acted on petty impulses.

I think he should work on the premise that he/she is already gone and will be begging for a repeat year. Not really in the position of power.

Failing 3 classes at my school gets the boot without chance for repeating.

 

[Another Chance]

Find 1 person that they let stay after having been in the same situation as you are now. They absolutely can't act capriciously or you can smear them all over a court room floor.

HORRIBLE advice and 100% not true. Med schools allow some students to stay and others to be dismissed all the time. It's handled on a case-by-case basis. If it wasn't, there would be no dismissal committee, no appeals process, or anything else.

 

[ArcGurren]

I think he should work on the premise that he/she is already gone and will be begging for a repeat year. Not really in the position of power.

Failing 3 classes at my school gets the boot without chance for repeating.

I agree with you on all points. And ouch, I think at my school they usually let you repeat.

 

[n618ft]

HORRIBLE advice and 100% not true. Med schools allow some students to stay and others to be dismissed all the time. It's handled on a case-by-case basis. If it wasn't, there would be no dismissal committee, no appeals process, or anything else.

Wrong. Go do some legal research. There's been numerous lawsuits (or appeals for that matter) over the past 40 years that were judged in favor of the students because the school acted arbitrarily, capriciously, or in bad faith. I'm not saying sue for money. If they consistently let people that fail 3 classes stay (or even one person) and they turn around and dismiss you, you have an argument that their dismissal was capricious. The 2 situations have to be very similar for their decision to be considered capricious. A huge case that was won over the past few years was Sharick v. Southeastern University. They acted capriciously and opened themselves up to liability for all of the student's lost earnings.

I'm not saying that's the case here but you need to make sure all of your rights are looked after because if you don't, nobody else will. You also need to make sure that all policies and any state regulations/statutes were followed.

Of course, have a realistic plan of action of how you will improve your grades and acknowledge what you might have done wrong... but do your legal research while you're at it. The whole point is to show them that you know what you're talking about, you've done your research, and if they continue to act in this manner, you have additional levels of appeals above the school.

 

[Another Chance]

Wrong. Go do some legal research. There's been numerous lawsuits (or appeals for that matter) over the past 40 years that were judged in favor of the students because the school acted arbitrarily, capriciously, or in bad faith. I'm not saying sue for money. If they consistently let people that fail 3 classes stay (or even one person) and they turn around and dismiss you, you have an argument that their dismissal was capricious.

The problem with your theory is that I would bet that consistently let people who failed 3 classes be dismissed. Usually, it's rare that someone who meets the dismissal guidelines is allowed to stay.

A huge case that was won over the past few years was Sharick v. Southeastern University. They acted capriciously and opened themselves up to liability for all of the student's lost earnings.

That was completely different. That case involved a fourth-year student who was dismissed just before graduation for "questionable" marks during a rotation. This is standard failed-three-classes territory. If the student handbook lists three failures as grounds for dismissal, there really isn't much room for argument. Could they give him another chance? Sure. Are they obligated to when it's in black and white in the handbook? No.

 

[n618ft]

The problem with your theory is that I would bet that consistently let people who failed 3 classes be dismissed. Usually, it's rare that someone who meets the dismissal guidelines is allowed to stay.



That was completely different. That case involved a fourth-year student who was dismissed just before graduation for "questionable" marks during a rotation. This is standard failed-three-classes territory. If the student handbook lists three failures as grounds for dismissal, there really isn't much room for argument. Could they give him another chance? Sure. Are they obligated to when it's in black and white in the handbook? No.

Again, if they've been giving others consistent second chances, he has additional ammunition. My original argument was pretty exact in the wording. He already said he's realized the factors that affected him and how he will correct... and was already researching what happened to other students... regardless of policies.

 

[Another Chance]

Again, if they've been giving others consistent second chances, he has additional ammunition. My original argument was pretty exact in the wording. He already said he's realized the factors that affected him and how he will correct... and was already researching what happened to other students... regardless of policies.

And I'm telling you that when there's an academic policy, the student not held to it is the exception, not the rule.

 

[n618ft]

Heisler v. New York Medical College, [NO NUMBER IN ORIGINAL], Supreme Court of New York, Westchester County, 113 Misc. 2d 727; 449 N.Y.S.2d 834; 1982 N.Y. Misc. LEXIS 3369, January 7, 1982

 

[MedStudentWanna]

Heisler v. New York Medical College, [NO NUMBER IN ORIGINAL], Supreme Court of New York, Westchester County, 113 Misc. 2d 727; 449 N.Y.S.2d 834; 1982 N.Y. Misc. LEXIS 3369, January 7, 1982

The above does nothing for your argument because:

Accordingly, the trial court ordered her readmitted for her second
year of study.426 The appellate division reversed under the
doctrine of "primary jurisdiction," holding that Heisler should first
have sought review of her dismissal by the State Commissioner of
Education. 427 The appellate decision also stated that the trial court
erred in finding that Heisler's dismissal entailed an abuse of discretion,
a lack of good faith, and arbitrariness. 42 8 This decision was in
turn affirmed by the Court of Appeals which found the dismissal to
have been made "in good faith and on the basis of the exercise of
sound academic judgment. '429

http://www.wcl.american.edu/journal/lawrev/41/schweitzer.pdf?rd=1

 

[Perrotfish]

Wrong. Go do some legal research. There's been numerous lawsuits (or appeals for that matter) over the past 40 years that were judged in favor of the students because the school acted arbitrarily, capriciously, or in bad faith. I'm not saying sue for money. If they consistently let people that fail 3 classes stay (or even one person) and they turn around and dismiss you, you have an argument that their dismissal was capricious. The 2 situations have to be very similar for their decision to be considered capricious. A huge case that was won over the past few years was Sharick v. Southeastern University. They acted capriciously and opened themselves up to liability for all of the student's lost earnings.

A student has failed the majority of his classes, and the grades were based on primarily on standardized scantron exams. Whether he gets the chance to repeat or not I don't think a lawyer is going to do to him any good here.

 

[RED88]

come to the committee hearing with a solid plan of action.

 

[naus]

I failed gross, neuro, and physio in my first year with a few percentage points off (as many as 10%).

Those are 3 of the highest credit hour classes of M1 unfortunately, essentially the core of M1 (plus biochem and micro).

Physio and neuro are really important for M2 too (pathophys and neurological exams).

And you've got to be kidding me about derm.

 

[Gastrapathy]

Talk to your Dean of Students about what you can do this summer to improve your chances. Ask to repeat the year.

 

[defrauded]

I went before the dismissal committee during first year. I was dismissed actually. I ended up winning an appeal and was re-instated. What you need to do is take 100% responsibility and correct the situation. None of this I was distracted by parents' mortgage stuff unless your parents have suddenly won the lottery and that problem has been solved. Honestly, that sounds like an excuse not an explanation, even though I fully understand how that could have partly caused this. To them, it won't seem that way. Same with the fiancee issue.

Bad study habits need to be fixed. Come up with a plan. A good one. A viable one. You were overwhelmed and you need help. You need to ask for it and now you are. My letter to the appeals committee was around 10 pages and it outlined how to fix my study problems, including going to an educational specialist, being tested for any kind of learning problems, being tested for what kind of learner I am and "learning" to learn that way, visiting with my academic advisor weekly, getting tutors for everything, seeing the school's academic specialist frequently, on and on. All of that stuff was genuine. I wasn't just saying it to get back in school. I was let back in and I did everything I said I would and I'm doing much better.

It's not fun going up against the dismissal committee. It's even less fun appealing their decision. But you can get through this. Believe in yourself and be more humble than you've ever been in your life.

I was going to post about failing in three subjects & this post came up.

I am in a DO school - have to go before the dismissal committee in 9 days - I have read all the responses.

Do I have enough time to present a credible action plan - what I mean is that I do not have time to implement it and prove that I am really doing it - because most of the other actors (peer tutors etc.) have left town for the holidays.

I was sick initial diagnosis were possible MS till MRI was done now - I have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid arthritis in Dec: 2013 , pretty devastating for a 24 year old on Biological Meds, my Mom was hospitalized in Oct:13 for five days - are these all good enough reasons to quote?

Can some one help me write an action plan if possible

 

[JP2740]

How do you fail 3 classes for ****s sake lol

 

[DermViser]

How do you fail 3 classes for ***** sake lol

 

[JP2740]

Yea whatever. The fail rate is usually so low it comes down to a lack of effort. Unless some extraneous personal thing happen, which it seems like it didn't, it's kinda unacceptable.

 

[Elisabeth Kate]

Yea whatever. The fail rate is usually so low it comes down to a lack of effort. Unless some extraneous personal thing happen, which it seems like it didn't, it's kinda unacceptable.

Your comments are kinda unacceptable. You didn't have trouble. Good for you. You're Boy King. Now move on instead of wagging your judgmental finger at those who did.

 

[Priapism4tooLong]

How do you fail 3 classes for ***** sake lol

Yea whatever. The fail rate is usually so low it comes down to a lack of effort. Unless some extraneous personal thing happen, which it seems like it didn't, it's kinda unacceptable.

Yeah dude wtf? way to be a dick about it. Some people have trouble, you don't put them down. Be compassionate especially if your going to be a doctor. If you feel like this then why say anything at all.

Your comments are kinda unacceptable. You didn't have trouble. Good for you. You're Boy King. Now move on instead of wagging your judgmental finger at those who did.

yeah i agree with this, totally uncalled for.

Anyway OP, i knew a guy who was in a similar situation and pretty much confessed that he didn't know how to study, they let him stay and now he's a doctor, no one is going to even remember his troubles. Don't make excuses i think they hate that! I hope everything works out for you. =)

 

[GolgeeDrinkRocks]

apply DO if u get dimissed MD​

 

[Psai]

Hey JP I get what you're saying, but OP doesn't need tough love right now. He needs advice and maybe a little sympathy.

 

[operaman]

Lots of good advice here scattered between the craziness. Looks like you've already made a big step in cutting out any excuse-like language - that alone can sink you. I would advise you look at your schools student handbook (or whatever they call it) which outlines in detail all of their policies for dismissal/remediation/etc. Sounds like you already have but if not, do it. As for other ideas:

1) Definitely seek evaluation for any possible medical condition that may have contributed, preferably from a doc you know and trust and is not employed by the institution. If you have anything, start treatment immediately and get documentation from the physician. If possible, start treatment before the meeting.
2) If your school is affiliated with a larger institution that grants other professional medical degrees (PT, OT, NP, PA, etc.), most of those programs begin in the summer and you may be able to get permission to audit the ones you failed. Find out about this BEFORE your meeting.
3) Sit down with whatever tutoring service/academic wellness center/whatever your school calls it and go over your past study habits and make a plan going forward. Get this in writing and add it to your plea before the committee.
4) Set up every last ounce of group and individual tutoring you can for next year and get the plan in writing. Just tell them what's going on and that you are pleading to repeat the year and need some solid plans in writing. Even if you think the plan is stupid or overkill (it won't be), go along with it and get it in writing.
5) Unless your upward trend was stunning (went from scoring 50s-60s on exams to 80s-90s), I wouldn't point to any upward trend as evidence you know how to handle the academic load of medical school. If your trend wasn't enough to pass, it sounds like you trended up from failing to barely passing which is hardly a ringing endorsement for your previous methods. I say this not to be mean, but to drive home that you need to sound like there is no hint of simply repeating what you did before.
6) Put your appeal in writing and make it look sharp. I mean publication-worthy sharp, professionally bound, etc. Table of contents (copies of all grades, reasons for failure, medical conditions (tell about evaluation whether or not you got a dx), plans for tutoring, auditing over summer, appendices of all relevant documents). Graphs of past performance if the trend was good. Include any and all documentation. Put the work into this that you should have been putting into your classes and it will make a stronger case than anything you can say.
7) If allowed, you may seek letters of support from faculty/deans/student afffairs/etc. who believe in you and think you should have a second chance.

Remember, you've got a lot more ahead after M1 and it only gets harder. For the meeting, DO whatever you can ahead of time (ie. 'I've already been evaluated for XYZ' rather than 'I plan to get evaluated'). For anything you say, ask yourself if there's a way you can get documentation from some kind of authority figure.

 

[Winged Scapula]

apply DO if u get dimissed MD​

The OP is from 2011; the current status of the thread is responding to someone who IS in an osteopathic program.

 

[Priapism4tooLong]

The OP is from 2011; the current status of the thread is responding to someone who IS in an osteopathic program.

i really need to start looking at the dates of when things are posted. I just read and skip the little tiny print.

 

[Winged Scapula]

i really need to start looking at the dates of when things are posted. I just read and skip the little tiny print.

Yes, but you were responding to a user's current posts, so its all good.

 

[DermViser]

Yea whatever. The fail rate is usually so low it comes down to a lack of effort. Unless some extraneous personal thing happen, which it seems like it didn't, it's kinda unacceptable.

Did you not read his post above yours? He did have extraneous circumstances, you jerk.

 

[BobbyB]

Did you not read his post above yours? He did have extraneous circumstances, you jerk.

i think that is someone else

there are two different people with 3 failed classes on this thread (i think)

either way i'm not gonna judge over 1 bad year

if he was failing 3 classes every year, that is another story haha

 

[dyspareunia]

I was going to post about failing in three subjects & this post came up.

I am in a DO school - have to go before the dismissal committee in 9 days - I have read all the responses.

Do I have enough time to present a credible action plan - what I mean is that I do not have time to implement it and prove that I am really doing it - because most of the other actors (peer tutors etc.) have left town for the holidays.

I was sick initial diagnosis were possible MS till MRI was done now - I have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid arthritis in Dec: 2013 , pretty devastating for a 24 year old on Biological Meds, my Mom was hospitalized in Oct:13 for five days - are these all good enough reasons to quote?

Can some one help me write an action plan if possible

Sounds like a tough situation to be in. Why didn't you take a medical LOA?

Did you fail 3 classes concurrently? Because that would be more understandable. However, if you failed 3 classes at different times in the year then you won't have much of an argument imo.

 

[deleted564496]

Tell them you want to do family med in a rural area of your state.

 

[GolgeeDrinkRocks]

So he went from MD to DO... how much debt is he going to accrue? something to think about eh...

 

[DermViser]

So he went from MD to DO... how much debt is he going to accrue? something to think about eh...

No he didn't. It's 2 different people. You would know that if you stopped purposefully bumping up threads where people failed courses.

 

[evilbooyaa]

I was going to post about failing in three subjects & this post came up.

I am in a DO school - have to go before the dismissal committee in 9 days - I have read all the responses.

Do I have enough time to present a credible action plan - what I mean is that I do not have time to implement it and prove that I am really doing it - because most of the other actors (peer tutors etc.) have left town for the holidays.

I was sick initial diagnosis were possible MS till MRI was done now - I have been diagnosed with Rheumatoid arthritis in Dec: 2013 , pretty devastating for a 24 year old on Biological Meds, my Mom was hospitalized in Oct:13 for five days - are these all good enough reasons to quote?

Can some one help me write an action plan if possible

This is the guy who bumped it recently. I read through about 10 posts from the top before I realized it was back from 2011.

To this ^^ guy - A new diagnosis of RA is something that you should mention, and that you are now feeling better it will help your studies. The part about about your mom being hospitalized for 5 days (unless she has severe post-hospitalization sequellae as a result of her incident) isn't something I would put in there.

Like the other posts, discuss why you failed, and what you're willing to do to make sure it doesn't happen again (tutors, evaluated by a psychiatrist, etc.)

 

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Thank you all - I am dismissed but can appeal to the Dean - please please if someone can tell me how to proceed with the appeal thank you again all