Was anyone else placed on the alternate list? Whats the deal with this, do alot of people get in/ is it ranked?
LCME (the accrediting body for medical schools in the US) had a site visit at RWJ today. Unfortunately, RWJMS's accreditation will be placed on probation, largely due to its financial problems (the governor just cut funding to all the UMDNJ schools) and ongoing student complaints. UMDNJ and its administration has been an anchor that has been sinking this school for years.
Students at the meeting today voiced their concerns to the Liaison Committee for Medical Education on issues such as poor physical infrastructure / study spaces, communication problems with the administration, and inconsistent grading among campuses.
On their Web site, LCME defines probation as "such a determination may be based on the LCME's judgment that areas of noncompliance have seriously compromised the quality of the medical education program, or that the program has failed to make satisfactory progress in achieving compliance after having been granted ample opportunity to do so." The accreditation organization also requires that medical schools meet all of their 130 standards.
Watch for the press release... The risk for future students is that the school could lose its accreditation in the future, and current students won't be able to complete the MD they started.
LCME (the accrediting body for medical schools in the US) had a site visit at RWJ today. Unfortunately, RWJMS's accreditation will be placed on probation, largely due to its financial problems (the governor just cut funding to all the UMDNJ schools) and ongoing student complaints. UMDNJ and its administration has been an anchor that has been sinking this school for years.
Students at the meeting today voiced their concerns to the Liaison Committee for Medical Education on issues such as poor physical infrastructure / study spaces, communication problems with the administration, and inconsistent grading among campuses.
On their Web site, LCME defines probation as "such a determination may be based on the LCME's judgment that areas of noncompliance have seriously compromised the quality of the medical education program, or that the program has failed to make satisfactory progress in achieving compliance after having been granted ample opportunity to do so." The accreditation organization also requires that medical schools meet all of their 130 standards.
Watch for the press release... The risk for future students is that the school could lose its accreditation in the future, and current students won't be able to complete the MD they started.
Was anyone else placed on the alternate list? Whats the deal with this, do alot of people get in/ is it ranked?
Anyone know when we get our financial aid packets from RWJ? How about scholarship notifications- when are those generally made? Thanks!
yes rwj is pass fail for the first two years and 0 to 4 for the clinical years
Y'all can drink the Koolaid if you want... (Taking David Swee's word for ANYTHING? Inquire about why he got fired as Chair of the Family Medicine Dept. a few years ago... lol... and for the record, Scutbuster = current medical student @ RWJ, regrettably) Keep in mind that passing the LCME site visit is necessary, but NOT sufficient for accreditation w/o probationary or warning status. The problems RWJ will face will come primarily from their funding issues, which are a direct result of being affiliated with UMDNJ (and, again, the primary reason for Camden essentially seceding from UMDNJ before it was too late). It is this affiliation with UMDNJ that will cause RWJMS to have an accreditation problem. Stay tuned for the press release. Hoping you'll be at another school when you read about it and you'll be thankful you dodged a bullet.If anyone needed any further prove what a liar ScutBuster was (This is from the Dean of RWJMS sent to the students):
[FONT=PrimaSans BT,Verdana,sans-serif]TO: Faculty, Staff, and Students
FROM: Peter S. Amenta, MD, PhD, Dean
RE: Conclusion of the LCME Site Visit
DATE: March 11, 2010
I am very pleased to inform you of the very positive preliminary results from our recent LCME accreditation survey visit. The site visit team praised our faculty and students and found that we are essentially meeting all of the LCME standards. While two standards were identified by the survey team as requiring additional attention, this number is well below the average number of standards generally cited at surveys as needing improvement.
This excellent outcome could not have been achieved without the hard work and full participation of our faculty, staff and students in this very intense and rigorous process. Your commitment to our school is invaluable and your contributions are greatly appreciated.
We now await the final recommendations from the LCME which we expect to receive in July. Given the very positive information from the site visit team, we believe that the final set of recommendations will be reasonably consistent with this preliminary report and help us improve our educational offerings even further.
While we could not have achieved these results without the support of each and every member of the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School community, I would like to especially thank Stephen Lowry, MD, Senior Associate Dean for Education for his leadership throughout this process; Carol Terregino, MD, Interim Senior Associate Dean on the Camden Campus, for her excellent work; David Seiden, PhD, Associate Dean for Student Affairs and Siobhan Corbett, MD, Chair of the Curriculum Committee for their work. Lastly, I want to thank David Swee, Associate Dean for Education, for his coordination of this entire process.
Thank you and congratulations to all.
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Is RWJ a "true" pass/fail school for the first 2 years?
By "true" I mean there is no internal/confidential ranking system AT ALL à la Columbia?
i'm a student here, PM me if you have any questions.. i really like it here but i do wonder how my life would of been if i picked a different school, i probably wonder about that too much haha.
a few of my good friends go to njms. i still hang with them a lot so i got to know about the other umdnj school pretty well. from what i remember, most people came down to the wire trying to pick between those two schools. i know a lot about both although i am biased but i can tell you the pros and cons from my perspective (and it has nothing to do with academics & research)
i'm a student here, PM me if you have any questions.. i really like it here but i do wonder how my life would of been if i picked a different school, i probably wonder about that too much haha.
a few of my good friends go to njms. i still hang with them a lot so i got to know about the other umdnj school pretty well. from what i remember, most people came down to the wire trying to pick between those two schools. i know a lot about both although i am biased but i can tell you the pros and cons from my perspective (and it has nothing to do with academics & research)
has anyone heard anything about scholarships yet? when do people usually find out about them?
It seems we're overdue to find out by now. Of course, it could also be that they've already sent out scholarship offers, but no one has yet posted them on SDN.
I think I remember seeing somewhere that scholarship offers would be made in the acceptance letters (mine had none)...I could be wrong though...
Hmm. That's interesting. I know that NJMS places scholarship offers in acceptance letters, but didn't know the procedure was similar at RWJ.
Anyone else care to chime in?
If you were offered the approximate $10k per year from NJMS, you will get offered about the same here. RWJ notifies people after May 15th. The full ride scholarships at both schools usually don't overlap with recipients but there are only a handful of those students.
I'll prepare my write up to be sent via PM to those who are interested in what I have to say about RWJ vs NJ vs Private school. I just don't want to turn this thread into a RWJMS vs NJMS cheerleader competition. There really isn't a better school between the two, some advantages are just easier to access in one school than the other. I'm busy these next few days so I'll post later this week.
RWJMS has not begun to award scholarships. They will be awarded as soon as the school receives final notification regarding the number and amount of available awards. Applicants who receive a scholarship are notified by phone and mail.
Do you know, by any chance, if the date of "final notification" could be after May 15?
Hi Folks,
Does the May 15th date for scholarship awards apply to UMDNJ students as well? Thanks!