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2012 Official Preallo Political Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical Allopathic [ MD ]' started by sector9, 04.17.12.

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  1. RollTide22

    RollTide22 2+ Year Member

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    As the presidential election looms closer, we -- the future employees of America's health care system -- must inevitably choose a candidate and cast our vote in November. Romney (state leadership) and Obama (Obamacare) have exceedingly different views on how to handle health care in the US... how will you vote and why?
     
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  3. wolfie77

    wolfie77 2+ Year Member

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    I'm going to go with the latter for many reasons. Specifically on healthcare, I think that there should be a high standard of care nationwide, irrespective of what state you live in. If we let the states decide their own healthcare systems, we would end up with extremists in some states watering down care for the poorest residents. (Also, IMHO, very few good ideas are defended on the basis of "states' rights")
     
  4. plumhill

    plumhill 2+ Year Member

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    Let's see...someone who appears to give a **** about people being able to see a doctor, versus a hyperreligious, anti-woman, anti-gay, elitist? Is this actually a question? -_-
     
  5. lobo.solo

    lobo.solo 5+ Year Member

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    Universal health care all the way........ oh, wait! but none of them are offering that!!!

    I still support Obama though, he needs to show some cojones this next period!!!
     
  6. lobo.solo

    lobo.solo 5+ Year Member

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    I know, right!! Hopefully people will make the most intelligent decision when voting, specially women, gay, and poor of America
     
  7. kpcrew

    kpcrew Banned Banned 2+ Year Member

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    voting in the right congressmen is probably more important for legislation since they are the ones that will be writing the actual bill. the president can frame the conversation and provide leadership for his party but people tend to give presidents more credit for events than they deserve.
     
  8. Barcu

    Barcu 2+ Year Member

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    Obama. ACA isn't perfect but I think it's a step in the right direction. I'm all for expanding coverage, and I think it will lower costs in the long run. But by not going far enough, I'm not sure exactly how ACA will work out.

    Seriously? Why can't people keep things civil?

    inb4 some gif about the internet.
     
  9. vayntraubinator

    vayntraubinator 2+ Year Member

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    Ron Paul :(
     
  10. vayntraubinator

    vayntraubinator 2+ Year Member

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    While these may be an indicator to your judgement of his character, you really need to focus on the policies at hand. We need changes pronto
     
  11. boggvir

    boggvir Sunny California 2+ Year Member

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    Obama.

    Republicans don't actually have a healthcare plan. They admit that their 'repeal and replace' wasn't really true.

    I am not a fan of the healthcare bill but it was better than it was before. Right now, people who were unable to get health insurance before are able to do so through health insurance exchanges set up by the state. In 2014, it'll be better (of course, it assumes Supreme Court upholds that part of it, which is not a given).

    We'll see what happens.

    People in healthcare think that Obamacare will mean their salaries will go down -- the alternative being that the Republican plans won't mean the same thing. That's false. Physician salaries will go down regardless of whose plan it is.

    Insurance companies base their payments on medicare, and medicare reimbursements will go down regardless of which party is in office because the current situation is unsustainable. And Republicans have pledged to cut medicare (part of those cuts will have to come from reimbursements), and Democrats will cut that part as well.
     
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    pkwraith 5+ Year Member

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    First of all, "Obamacare" is what Romney implemented in Massachusetts, and it's what Obama had to settle for, not what he wanted.

    The comparison would be more Obama (Universal Healthcare) vs Romney (Obamacare).
     
  13. Perrotfish

    Perrotfish Has an MD in Horribleness 7+ Year Member

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    Healthcare isn't the issue I'll be voting on.

    I really thought there was no way I'd be voting Democrat this election. Then the Republicans elected someone whose only core values are the complete deregulation of Wall Street and the elimination of every tax {edit} except those on earned income. Romney is to the Republicans what John Kerry was to the Democrats. I've already, regretfully, donated to Obama's campaign.
     
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  14. NickNaylor

    NickNaylor Daisy the Dog Lifetime Donor 7+ Year Member

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    I'm sure this thread was started with the intent to have a perfectly civil, rational, and logical discussion about politics. Yep. Nothing bad can come of this.
     
  15. Bacchus

    Bacchus SDN Senior Moderator 7+ Year Member

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    I hate the word Obamacare.
     
  16. NickNaylor

    NickNaylor Daisy the Dog Lifetime Donor 7+ Year Member

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    Yup. Something incredible will have to happen for Obama to lose. He's pissed a lot of people off, but the fact that he's running against a guy that is doing a really, really bad job of attempting to garner broad appeal will help Obama immensely.
     
  17. Oo Cipher oO

    Oo Cipher oO Clever Sir 5+ Year Member

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    I voted for Obama last election but I think (still plenty of time to change my vote) I'll be voting for Romney for a couple of reasons

    1) Social issues are not my #1 priority (nor are they most people's)

    2) I tend to side with Romney on health care. I do support the ACA in that access to health care is an issue we need to address in this country. I don't like a nation system, however. The heath care needs and demands in my state are very different than the needs of another. If anything I feel the federal government should mandate states maintain a certain level of access to health care and then states would be free to enact universal health care or whatever they like as long as they are able to follow the guidelines set by the feds. This is similar to what Romney has supported in the past (Romneycare)

    3) Romney has pledged support and financing for the defense budget. I'm taking the HPSP scholarship and if I decide to stay in the military until retirement I'd like to hope that my pension will be there for me. I feel there is a better chance of this happening under a Romney administration.
     
  18. Perrotfish

    Perrotfish Has an MD in Horribleness 7+ Year Member

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    Romney has pledged to cut so many taxes that the federal governments income would get cut in half. The federal government's income already only covers half of the federal government's spending. He has promised to support the military in the same speech he has promised to eliminate the only possible source of that support.

    Not that Romney has given me any reason to believe anything he says.
     
  19. Gut Shot

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    As a matter of fact, states can receive a waiver from the ACA and pursue their own individual paths to expanded coverage. Vermont passed legislation for a single payer system over a year ago in anticipation of this.

    So, you are supporting Romney in order to protect your entitlement? Good luck with that one, mate. Republican defense spending is more about lining the pockets of private contractors than funding anyone's retirement. Perhaps they will if they can convert all the military pensions to 401k's, thereby sucking more tax dollars into the financial system.
     
  20. TheGloaming

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    In half? What is your source?
     
  21. Perrotfish

    Perrotfish Has an MD in Horribleness 7+ Year Member

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    I was exaggerating for effect. He plans to cut a mere trillion dollars in revenue. The federal budget would only be cut by 25%.
     
  22. Big N Tasty

    Big N Tasty Fighter of the Nightman 2+ Year Member

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    Obama.
     
  23. SLC

    SLC Lock, Step, & Gone (Graduated!!!) 5+ Year Member

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    Naah man, double it up, it's OK. Why not say he'll cut 75%, the truth doesn't matter, you're exaggerating for effect!
     
  24. Perrotfish

    Perrotfish Has an MD in Horribleness 7+ Year Member

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    They can't opt out if they want to do less then the mandate, only if they want to do more. If they want to fund medicaid at a lower reimbursement rate then medicare they can't do that anymore. If they don't want the massive expansion in the medicaid patient rolls ordered by the legislation they can't do that either. If they want to ignore the individual mandate they can't even do that. They can move to the left of the legislation, or they can implement the legislation, but they can't move to the right of it. That's not much of an option.
     
  25. Perrotfish

    Perrotfish Has an MD in Horribleness 7+ Year Member

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    You're right, I apologize. The facts: he will cut 25% of a budget that currently only pays for 50% of our spending in the first place. If you want a strong military you are relying on him either borrowing indefinitely or cutting 63% of the federal budget without touching the military budget.
     
  26. TheGloaming

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    Spoken like a true politician.
     
  27. owlegrad

    owlegrad Uncontrollable Sarcasm Machine Staff Member SDN Administrator 7+ Year Member

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    Dude, have you never heard of "not intended to be a factual statement"? :laugh:

    Anyway, Obama. :thumbup:
     
  28. Oo Cipher oO

    Oo Cipher oO Clever Sir 5+ Year Member

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    So has Obama spoken about the changes he'd make to defense spending? I'm asking an honest question. I know it's selfish but I do tend to vote out of self interest. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
     
  29. Perrotfish

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    Neither side has spoken about cutting the military. Both sides have made it clear that the military has no clear budget past November (let alone after the election) and that that is someone else's fault. There is no evidence that either Republicans or Democrats are willing to take responsibility for the reduction in force that is a result of a bipartisan policy of more and more tax cuts paired with ever increasing 'non-discretionary' spending.
     
  30. Gut Shot

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    What? I thought the right was just brimming with free market solutions that will expand health coverage while driving costs down. As per the federal gubbmint itself, here are the criteria that must be met to get a "State Innovation Waiver":

    Singapore, anyone?
     
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    I think only the Supreme Court gets to vote on healthcare next month. Come November, the choice is unclear for me. Personally I don't have much confidence in either candidate. :(

     
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    I'm voting for Obama because if you put a "G" in front of his name, it says "Go Bama." :D

    Seriously though, I'm currently undecided between the two. I've historically voted Republican but I've felt that our party isn't cognizant of how critical it is that we reform our current system and instead just focuses on blocking anything Obama tries to accomplish. Then again, that $1 trillion associated with Obama's plan is a bit scary. Regardless, we spend too much on a health care system that ranks low in the world, is at least 25% ineffective/without scientific evidence, and drops ridiculous bank on terminally-ill patients... reform is absolutely necessary.
     
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    Roll Tide my friend. Didn't realize there were any of us on this forum!

    Also, Obama.
     
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    Does Romney even want to change the status-quo? I am fairly sure that if John McCain had beat Obama then this question would not even be brought up. Without a required explanation, I go with Obama. No healthcare system is perfect, but it's a step in the 'right' direction.
     
  35. Neurosis

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    I'm no sociopolitical expert, but I always thought that for the most part doctors tended swing right, and were very conservative (socially).
     
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    Romney is literally the last person everyone wanted to choose, and he's the only one left. I lol'd when everyone except Cain was like no thanks VP.

    Running a business is not the same as being POTUS.

    Keeping the rich rich is a pretty good perogative.
     
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    Oh you're right, you must be a senator for a year to be qualified to be president of the United States.

    I love all the bleeding hearts on this forum.

    I'll be voting Romney.
     
  38. Temperature101

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    If we gonna be physicians, voting for Obama is voting against our economic interest... As doctors, our average salary will be 250k+; therefore, we gonna have a huge tax cut with Romney. On the contrary, Obama promises tax cut for people making <250k+...I can be careless about any other issues; I care about my own pocket. VOTE FOR ROMNEY.
     
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    I'd rather have a senator than a person who sells companies? :laugh:
    Are you close to passing your boards to become an actual doctor? Are you within four years?
    If not, lol @ your post.
     
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    There's more to life than money.
     
  42. Temperature101

    Temperature101 Banned Banned 2+ Year Member

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    What wrong with that?
     
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    Romney. Easy choice.
     
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    I'm gonna write in Hillary Clinton.
     
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    Really is quite split. Last poll I remember seeing had docs slightly favoring a single-payer (but pretty much 50-50).

    Doctors in primary care tend to favor a single-payer. As do those who deal with low-income patients. Wonder why?
     
  47. Temperature101

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    I am not about to give up my hard earned money to some low life who dont want to work...Dont get me wrong. I have no love for ROMNEY. I dont believe a thing that guy said except the tax cut since I know Grover Nortquist (American for Tax Reform) will make sure he follows up on his promise.
     
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    You do have a point. If one is hoping to govern the most powerful country in the world he should have some experience governing. Oh wait Romney was governor of Massachusetts.
     
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    The health care law is expensive, raises medicare premiums, violates the tenth amendment of the constitution, and the federal mandate portion of the law is unconstitutional. Healthcare should be left up to the states not the federal government; also when has government ever ran anything at a profit or ran it as well as free enterprise?
     
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    Romney is a Mormon, 'nuff said.
     

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