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Hi everyone. Given that the rank order lists are due in just a few weeks, I'd be curious to see what you all have come up with.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Applied everywhere, had 23 invites, went on 18 interviews, and will rank 15 programs. Here is my what I think my ROL will look like.
1) RIC-categorical
2) NYU-R
3) Loyola-R
4) Case Western-categorical
5) RIC-advanced
6) Case Western-advanced
7) NYU-advanced
8) U Miami-advanced
9) Loyola-advanced
10) U Penn-categorical
11) U Penn-advanced
12) Kansas-advanced
13) JFK-advanced
14) LIJ-advanced
15) Stony Brook-advanced
16) San Antonio-categorical
17) Oakwood-categorical
18) Einstein-advanced
19) East Carolina-categorical
20) Rochester-categorical
@RehabDoc2015 solid interviews! excited to see where you match. i'm still ambivalent about my rankings. if you are open to sharing, would like to know your reasons for ranking RIC and UW after UMiami and Georgetown
Nice list. Your odds of matching are extremely high with 15 programs/20 contiguous ranks in total. Will post my list shortly, just in the process of finalising it!
Applied everywhere, had 23 invites, went on 18 interviews, and will rank 15 programs. Here is my what I think my ROL will look like.
Applied everywhere, had 23 invites, went on 18 interviews, and will rank 15 programs. Here is my what I think my ROL will look like.
1) RIC-categorical
2) NYU-R
3) Loyola-R
4) Case Western-categorical
5) RIC-advanced
6) Case Western-advanced
7) NYU-advanced
8) U Miami-advanced
9) Loyola-advanced
10) U Penn-categorical
11) U Penn-advanced
12) Kansas-advanced
13) JFK-advanced
14) LIJ-advanced
15) Stony Brook-advanced
16) San Antonio-categorical
17) Oakwood-categorical
18) Einstein-advanced
19) East Carolina-categorical
20) Rochester-categorical
Awesome list dodger!Haven't been on this forum for A WHILE! Hope everyone would do great for the upcoming match! Crossing fingers!
Canceled so many good interviews due to cost/time.
My top 3 reasons on choosing the program: 1) the vibe/gut feeling 2) research 3) location. I have no geographical ties. I really don't care about the clinical opportunities/training as long as I get average exposure.
1) RIC
2) Spaulding
3) Columbia/Cornell
4) Stanford
5) UW
6) UCLA
7) UPMC
8) Hopkins
9) Mayo
10) Baylor
Great list! Did I hallucinate that Stanford was at one time your top choice?My SO finally sat down and looked at job openings in different cities this weekend, so we were able to go over my ROL...
I'll go into more details about each program, with my interview/post-interview experiences and thought process for each ranking, but in the meantime I'll just say the top criteria were: 1a) gut feel/intangible; 1b) job prospects for SO>>>>>>> 3) flexible/tailored schedule; 4) research opportunities; 5) location -- mostly topography, climate, COL
1. RIC
2. Spaulding
3. UW
4. Utah
5. Colorado
6. UPMC
7. OSU
8. Mayo
9. C/C
10.UVA
11. UNC
Not ranking: Kessler, Stanford
Great list! Did I hallucinate that Stanford was at one time your top choice?
No, you're right -- Stanford was my top choice before all interviews.
As I said, I didn't go into details of my interviews/post-interview experience with programs. And, for the sake of not bad-mouthing a program on the forums for something that probably no one else will experience, I'll just say that I am not ranking Stanford for personal differences. (No, that doesn't mean I'm willing to discuss it by PM either, so don't ask me) On top of that, my SO has ZERO job prospects in the entire Bay Area, so it wouldn't have been in my top 5 anyway.
Got it. You have piqued my curiosity but I will not ask haha.
Hey I don't think I've posted on sdn since pre-med but I'm a long time lurker on the PM&R threads
Did anyone else who interviewed at Kessler get a "Thank You for Interviewing" email tonight through ERAS?
I apologize for my lack of contribution and appreciate any help
Wow that's a lot of contact! I think that is a really good sign for youHey all, just thought I'd briefly contribute my experiences post-interview. I'm hesitant to post my rank list at this point, but may do so later (and definitely will after ROL deadline day for the benefit of next year's people).
For those interested in whether program communication is going on, I have been contacted on a personal level post-interview season by 3 programs - 2 chief residents, and 2 faculty (one of each from one of the programs). All of the programs are in my top 5, but I can see how this communication could be unwelcome/awkward if I wasn't extremely interested in the program...
I've also gotten the periodic generic thank you email/letter from a variety of programs.
Good luck to everyone finalizing their ROL!
Hey there.Hey I don't think I've posted on sdn since pre-med but I'm a long time lurker on the PM&R threads
Did anyone else who interviewed at Kessler get a "Thank You for Interviewing" email tonight through ERAS?
I apologize for my lack of contribution and appreciate any help
Wondering what thoughts others may have about my rank list...
1) UTSW Categorical
2) Vanderbilt Categorical
3) BUMC
4) RIC Categorical
5) UTSW Advanced
etc etc til #17 im ranking.
Biggest question is that I am torn between UTSW and Vanderbilt (which one to rank higher).... Im from DFW but went to undergrad in Nashville. Vandy is a new program with a lot of unknowns, but also a lot of freedoms to set the program. UTSW is a well known and well thought of program, but may be too micromanaged/rigid in its ways.... the list goes on and on... Any thoughts from fellow SDNers about this?!
Wondering what thoughts others may have about my rank list...
1) UTSW Categorical
2) Vanderbilt Categorical
3) BUMC
4) RIC Categorical
5) UTSW Advanced
etc etc til #17 im ranking.
Biggest question is that I am torn between UTSW and Vanderbilt (which one to rank higher).... Im from DFW but went to undergrad in Nashville. Vandy is a new program with a lot of unknowns, but also a lot of freedoms to set the program. UTSW is a well known and well thought of program, but may be too micromanaged/rigid in its ways.... the list goes on and on... Any thoughts from fellow SDNers about this?!
My SO finally sat down and looked at job openings in different cities this weekend, so we were able to go over my ROL...
I'll go into more details about each program, with my interview/post-interview experiences and thought process for each ranking, but in the meantime I'll just say the top criteria were: 1a) gut feel/intangible; 1b) job prospects for SO>>>>>>> 3) flexible/tailored schedule; 4) research opportunities; 5) location -- mostly topography, climate, COL
1. RIC
2. Spaulding
3. UW
4. Utah
5. Colorado
6. UPMC
7. OSU
8. Mayo
9. C/C
10.UVA
11. UNC
Not ranking: Kessler, Stanford
So my California-born-and-raised SO has put the kibosh on Spaulding due to winter - now dropped down to #5. Whatever Lola wants...
Was talking to another applicant who dropped Spaulding on her list because of winter weather too... wasn't sure if anyone else has been thinking about that
Except Mayo is also in the middle of no where.I imagine this happens a lot with Mayo too lol
So my California-born-and-raised SO has put the kibosh on Spaulding due to winter - now dropped down to #5. Whatever Lola wants...
Was talking to another applicant who dropped Spaulding on her list because of winter weather too... wasn't sure if anyone else has been thinking about that
Personally, I wouldn't recommend you to drop a program on your rank list due to winter weather. I have been living in the northeast area for the last 4 years. For sure, they will have snow and ice in the winter, but the severity may vary every year. To me, NY/NJ is colder this year than last year. However, my attending told me that it is not that bad. He said when he did his residency in Chicago long time ago, there was a year when the temperature was so low that his dog's urine literally was frozen right after he peed out. However, my friends in Utah complained that they don't have a lot of snow this year. They had much more snow last year. You know they like skiing and snowboarding. I can't imagine how hard it will be if someone has to drive uphill and downhill in Utah when the roads are snowy and icy. I do agree that MA has a lot of snow this year, but hey you will never know what will be happening next year. If it is snowing so badly, they may close the roads and you will have snow days off. That may be a good thing !!! Other than that, I think people over here are doing a good job cleaning the roads and shoveling the sidewalks. It may be a little bit cold when you are outside, but when you get into a building, it is warm. If you are in Texas, it is gonna be hot like crazy in the summer. There are always pros and cons on everything.
I went to the beach last week here in Florida.
lol...That is awesome, j4pac. Enjoy the beach before hurricane is coming in August or September. The good thing is schools will be closed during hurricane haha. Sorry, I am off topic. Back to rank order list
Personally, I wouldn't recommend you to drop a program on your rank list due to winter weather. I have been living in the northeast area for the last 4 years. For sure, they will have snow and ice in the winter, but the severity may vary every year. To me, NY/NJ is colder this year than last year. However, my attending told me that it is not that bad. He said when he did his residency in Chicago long time ago, there was a year when the temperature was so low that his dog's urine literally was frozen right after he peed out. However, my friends in Utah complained that they don't have a lot of snow this year. They had much more snow last year. You know they like skiing and snowboarding. I can't imagine how hard it will be if someone has to drive uphill and downhill in Utah when the roads are snowy and icy. I do agree that MA has a lot of snow this year, but hey you will never know what will be happening next year. If it is snowing so badly, they may close the roads and you will have snow days off. That may be a good thing !!! Other than that, I think people over here are doing a good job cleaning the roads and shoveling the sidewalks. It may be a little bit cold when you are outside, but when you get into a building, it is warm. If you are in Texas, it is gonna be hot like crazy in the summer. There are always pros and cons on everything.
I agree that weather should usually be a minor consideration. I think 3-4 years is a fairly insignificant amount of time and I would absolutely go to a program in Edmonton or Siberia if I thought it was the best program for me. Sometimes you have to compromise, but generally the quality of your education shouldn't be compromised on unless you have a really good reason (what equates to a good reason is up to you and your significant other).
Happy wife/husband = happy life. My wife actually vetoed my second favorite program because of location (I matched to my favorite, so it worked ok out...). I'm quite certain she would have still been quite happy if I matched the other program, but when you're uprooting others you need to take their needs and thoughts into consideration. And she was convinced she'd be really unhappy, and talking about it for two months didn't help. It was really hard--I really, really liked that program. But in the end I decided my wife's happiness was more important.
My advice (and what I did): Bring your significant other to interviews as much as you can. Not to the interview itself--just to the dinners (if spouses are invited) and then let them explore the city during the day and get a feel for whether they would be willing to spend 3-4 years in that location. More often than not people adapt and learn to be happy wherever we go--it's in our nature. I used to think it was cool the 1-2 days it went below freezing at night. And then I felt miserably cold during the day. Now I get excited and feel really warm when it's in the 20's. The 10's really aren't too bad either. And now I really love spring and summer--I just want to hug them. I never had that appreciation before when I lived in CA... (If I move back to CA, I'm going to really appreciate the fact you can go for a hike or have a picnic in February...)
For the record, Mayo really isn't in the middle of nowhere--it's an hour from Minneapolis, one of the absolute nicest big cities you could live in. There's a reason few people move away from Minneapolis and it has such a high quality of life. Rochester is an amazing place and you really can't beat the training there--of all the big programs Mayo was the one where the residents and attendings were the most down to earth, from my experience and from talking with others on the interview trail about theirs. In my opinion, you also won't find nicer people in the US than those in the upper Great Lakes region--as a general rule of thumb, Minnesota creates the nicest human beings in the US. They're practically Canadian.
As a pm&r resident that's lived in NYC for 3trs after leaving the great south... It ain't that bad. Really in NYC only 3 months are cold... Now my wife is a fellow in Boston... Different story it's like a waste land oh and don't get me started on the round abouts
As a pm&r resident that's lived in NYC for 3trs after leaving the great south... It ain't that bad. Really in NYC only 3 months are cold... Now my wife is a fellow in Boston... Different story it's like a waste land oh and don't get me started on the round abouts
I've actually found Great Lakers, and Minnesotans in particular, to be two-faced and fake. Generally how I feel about most Midwesterners. But that's from a New Yorker who will tell it like it is.
Oh snap
Unrelated -
In all seriousness I am thinking strongly about ranking Miami #1. Not the weather but just the feel of the place. It is literally the opposite of Spaulding - so laid back and friendly, people seem so happy. I am still really struggling with giving up the big name though. I really wonder if the training is truly better at a place like Spaulding - I felt like I couldn't ask questions when I rotated there lest people find out I didn't know something. I feel like I hardly learned anything during the month I did there to be honest.
Do people think your fund of knowledge will truly be more if you train at one of these big name programs or is it more just reputation/prestige/ connections? I want to be competent for sure but I also want to be happy! I am struggling so bad with this decision, time is almost up.
Oh snap
Unrelated -
In all seriousness I am thinking strongly about ranking Miami #1. Not the weather but just the feel of the place. It is literally the opposite of Spaulding - so laid back and friendly, people seem so happy. I am still really struggling with giving up the big name though. I really wonder if the training is truly better at a place like Spaulding - I felt like I couldn't ask questions when I rotated there lest people find out I didn't know something. I feel like I hardly learned anything during the month I did there to be honest.
Do people think your fund of knowledge will truly be more if you train at one of these big name programs or is it more just reputation/prestige/ connections? I want to be competent for sure but I also want to be happy! I am struggling so bad with this decision, time is almost up.
Oh snap
Unrelated -
In all seriousness I am thinking strongly about ranking Miami #1. Not the weather but just the feel of the place. It is literally the opposite of Spaulding - so laid back and friendly, people seem so happy. I am still really struggling with giving up the big name though. I really wonder if the training is truly better at a place like Spaulding - I felt like I couldn't ask questions when I rotated there lest people find out I didn't know something. I feel like I hardly learned anything during the month I did there to be honest.
Do people think your fund of knowledge will truly be more if you train at one of these big name programs or is it more just reputation/prestige/ connections? I want to be competent for sure but I also want to be happy! I am struggling so bad with this decision, time is almost up.
I've actually found Great Lakers, and Minnesotans in particular, to be two-faced and fake. Generally how I feel about most Midwesterners. But that's from a New Yorker who will tell it like it is.
Oh snap
Unrelated -
In all seriousness I am thinking strongly about ranking Miami #1. Not the weather but just the feel of the place. It is literally the opposite of Spaulding - so laid back and friendly, people seem so happy. I am still really struggling with giving up the big name though. I really wonder if the training is truly better at a place like Spaulding - I felt like I couldn't ask questions when I rotated there lest people find out I didn't know something. I feel like I hardly learned anything during the month I did there to be honest.
Do people think your fund of knowledge will truly be more if you train at one of these big name programs or is it more just reputation/prestige/ connections? I want to be competent for sure but I also want to be happy! I am struggling so bad with this decision, time is almost up.
I struggled with this too. I had three programs tied for my top choice-- one was quite well-rounded and close to home as possible, one had the prestige, and the other felt like "the perfect fit." I ended up ranking them in that order--my #1 was always going to be #1 because I still liked it and it was close to family, but I had trouble with #2 and #3. The day after submitting my rank list I regretting ranking the name program (which did feel like it'd still be a good fit) over the program that was ultimately my favorite (and would've been #1 if I was single, without family).
I was super relieved when I matched to #3 (perfect fit). I was bummed to not be near family, but it was my favorite and I was really excited about it. And I think that's where colourmebadd's advice on the coinflip may be helpful. I actually wrote the name of every program I was ranking and put them in envelopes. My wife then handed me them at random and we both gauged my reaction (it's important for her to do so because she'll see the subtlety of my expression when I first open the envelope). I found it to actually be fairly helpful for differentiating some of those programs that you otherwise are having a hard time figuring out (ie., two programs tied for 3, etc.)
Ultimately you have to decide how to rank programs. I think broadness of training (you don't want to be limited by the program you go to) is the most important. Generally it's not an issue with any top-name programs. I also really valued fit--I had to feel like it was a place I'd be happy, learning form attendings I saw as physiatrist role models (who else will you model yourself after?), and colleagues I would enjoy working with and grow with.
Thanks man, I appreciate you holding down the advice fort. I want to do outpatient I am 99% sure and I think what you said is true.It's a tough decision. I think if you are certain that you want to go MA to practice...the connections at Spaulding would be priceless. I believe that would be the bigger benefit than "prestige". However, if you plan on doing a fellowship...with your rock star scores...I think that you could likely land a great fellowship coming from Miami. It really depends on how you feel you will be prepared for the future. Also...do you want to do inpatient or outpatient. The "prestige" programs usually separate themselves from the pack based on their inpatient exposure. You can find strong outpatient exposures just about anywhere. Good luck!
Maybe the fact that it was an "audition" rotation made you feel you couldn't ask questions? I didn't get that sense during my time there.