CMS' assault on independent laboratories continues.
Devastating to any lab that processes biopsies including hospital based pathologists with any outpatient business.
Im stunned and horribly depressed.
Ive never been one to wish my life away, but damn I wish I was close to retirement.
Anybody got a link for this?
CMS' assault on independent laboratories continues.
Dont anyone celebrate the possible closure of in office labs. There are many good guy pathologists that will be severely harmed by this drastic cut. And even academics and emploupyed pathologists will effected as your department/corporation will have less revenue to spread around.
Good guy pathologists that signout cases for 50% PC?
Dont anyone celebrate the possible closure of in office labs. There are many good guy pathologists that will be severely harmed by this drastic cut. And even academics and emploupyed pathologists will effected as your department/corporation will have less revenue to spread around.
And reading the cap announcement their intent is that pathologists recieve a 6-7% cut in salary. How is this acceptable? The chicago teachers were offered a 16% raise aver four years and they went on strike. Why is it acceptable for mds to receive constant pay cuts.
Now i am for sure voting againt obama. The last thing i need is nigher taxes on top of a pay cut.
Wrong. This is great news. I celebrate this drastic 52% cut in the 88305 TC (and ALL TCs) effective January 1, 2012. This overvalued code has been manipulated in myriad unethical mays in the past decade. In-office self-referral labs are a slap in the face of all pathologists. This will push many in-office self-referral labs off a cliff and many pathologists who reluctantly agreed to participate in these TC/PC splits with greedy docs will suddenly be asked to do their work for much less. As a hospital-based pathologist, our practice includes clinical path, inpatient, and outpatient AP specimens. We had the chance to participate in the in-office labs, but we declined because we thought it was a loser's game. Big TC cut will hurt all global pathology billing, but "good guy" pathologists with diverse practices will receive a glancing blow. GI, derm, and urology self-referral labs are absolutely and completely dependent on the 88305 TC for revenue generation. This huge cut will punch them in the gut. Sketchy client billing arrangements will be stretched to a breaking point with this slashing of the TC and the 33% drop in the global bill for the 88305. Corporate labs and other bulls... labs that provide discounted pathology services so that greedy clinicians can pocket the difference as a de facto kickback will be forced to discount these services even more. I have a hard time seeing Quest and LabCorp agree to even lower prices for discounted AP client billing given their focus on increasing quarterly profits for their shareholders. Sit back and watch the blood bath. I imagine a big GI group that globally bills for pathology and pays their local schmuck pathologist $10 per case will go to the pathologist and say -- can you read this for $5 per case?Dont anyone celebrate the possible closure of in office labs. There are many good guy pathologists that will be severely harmed by this drastic cut. And even academics and emploupyed pathologists will effected as your department/corporation will have less revenue to spread around.
And reading the cap announcement their intent is that pathologists recieve a 6-7% cut in salary. How is this acceptable? The chicago teachers were offered a 16% raise aver four years and they went on strike. Why is it acceptable for mds to receive constant pay cuts.
Now i am for sure voting againt obama. The last thing i need is nigher taxes on top of a pay cut.
Wrong. This is great news. I celebrate this drastic 52% cut in the 88305 TC (and ALL TCs) effective January 1, 2012. This overvalued code has been manipulated in myriad unethical mays in the past decade. In-office self-referral labs are a slap in the face of all pathologists. This will push many in-office self-referral labs off a cliff and many pathologists who reluctantly agreed to participate in these TC/PC splits with greedy docs will suddenly be asked to do their work for much less. As a hospital-based pathologist, our practice includes clinical path, inpatient, and outpatient AP specimens. We had the chance to participate in the in-office labs, but we declined because we thought it was a loser's game. Big TC cut will hurt all global pathology billing, but "good guy" pathologists with diverse practices will receive a glancing blow. GI, derm, and urology self-referral labs are absolutely and completely dependent on the 88305 TC for revenue generation. This huge cut will punch them in the gut. Sketchy client billing arrangements will be stretched to a breaking point with this slashing of the TC and the 33% drop in the global bill for the 88305. Corporate labs and other bulls... labs that provide discounted pathology services so that greedy clinicians can pocket the difference as a de facto kickback will be forced to discount these services even more. I have a hard time seeing Quest and LabCorp agree to even lower prices for discounted AP client billing given their focus on increasing quarterly profits for their shareholders. Sit back and watch the blood bath. I imagine a big GI group that globally bills for pathology and pays their local schmuck pathologist $10 per case will go to the pathologist and say -- can you read this for $5 per case?
Um ... as a fellow who's going to be job-hunting very soon, am I overreacting in fearing that my ability to pay off my student loans and provide for my family just got obliterated?
I found this PDF via MedPage Today:
http://www.ofr.gov/(X(1)S(sq3rdvvzj1yh5mygmsdbnjwv))/OFRUpload/OFRData/2012-26900_PI.pdf
I'm no good at reading these long bureaucratic documents, and I may well be missing something, but in the chart on page 1277, it reads more like the (overall? TC? PC?) cut to 88305 is 25%; I don't see the figure 52% anywhere. (I know the CAP says the overall cut to 88305 will be 33%, but where are all these numbers coming from?)
Can anyone point to an official document discussing a 52% cut? None of the links in that CAP Statline article seemed to work. I assume the CAP has the correct info; I'd just like to see official documentation.
Wrong. This is great news. I celebrate this drastic 52% cut in the 88305 TC (and ALL TCs) effective January 1, 2012. This overvalued code has been manipulated in myriad unethical mays in the past decade. In-office self-referral labs are a slap in the face of all pathologists. This will push many in-office self-referral labs off a cliff and many pathologists who reluctantly agreed to participate in these TC/PC splits with greedy docs will suddenly be asked to do their work for much less. As a hospital-based pathologist, our practice includes clinical path, inpatient, and outpatient AP specimens. We had the chance to participate in the in-office labs, but we declined because we thought it was a loser's game. Big TC cut will hurt all global pathology billing, but "good guy" pathologists with diverse practices will receive a glancing blow. GI, derm, and urology self-referral labs are absolutely and completely dependent on the 88305 TC for revenue generation. This huge cut will punch them in the gut. Sketchy client billing arrangements will be stretched to a breaking point with this slashing of the TC and the 33% drop in the global bill for the 88305. Corporate labs and other bulls... labs that provide discounted pathology services so that greedy clinicians can pocket the difference as a de facto kickback will be forced to discount these services even more. I have a hard time seeing Quest and LabCorp agree to even lower prices for discounted AP client billing given their focus on increasing quarterly profits for their shareholders. Sit back and watch the blood bath. I imagine a big GI group that globally bills for pathology and pays their local schmuck pathologist $10 per case will go to the pathologist and say -- can you read this for $5 per case?
Get ready for even more reckless sweatshops. Only labs with massive scale are gonna survive now. I am shocked that the cut was that deep. "Experts" were saying 7 to 16 percent. Glad I been preparing to leave this field for a long time. The pathologist market is gonna be even more brutal unless they close many programs NOW.
I dont see how labs will be able to client bill anymore. The medicare is the pull through business for many. I guess labcorp and quest type places will still be able to do it because of their scale.
Anyone know how Joe Plandowski took the news? I hope he is ok.
The pathologist market is gonna be even more brutal unless they close many programs NOW.
I work for a rual independant laboratory that serves three small hospitals. Our payor mix is 80 percent goverment since most of the younger patients are military-Tricare. We could be out of business
Two of hospital are critical access and the third doesnt have deep pockets. Who is going to produce our slides?
(i) Pathology and Laboratory: Surgical Pathology (CPT Codes 88300,
88302, 88304, 88305,
88307, 88309)
For surgical pathology CPT codes 88300, 88302, 88304, 88305, 88307,
88309 (Surgical Pathology, Levels I through VI), the AMA RUC recommended creating
several new supply and equipment items in direct PE input database that we will not
incorporate for CY 2013 in addition to several new direct PE inputs that we are adopting on an interim
basis. The new supply items that we will not incorporate were called specimen, solvent, and
formalin disposal cost, and courier transportation costs. We do not believe that specimen and
supply disposal or courier costs for transporting specimens are appropriately considered as
disposable medical supplies.
Instead, we believe the costs described by these recommendations are
incorporated into the PE RVUs for these services through the indirect PE allocation. We note
that the current direct PE inputs for these and similar services across the PFS do not include
these kinds of costs as disposable supplies.
In addition to the recommendation to include these new supply items,
the AMA RUC 574 recommended that we create new equipment items called equipment
maintenance cost, Copath System with maintenance contract, and Copath software as
direct PE inputs for these codes. Our standard equipment cost per minute calculation includes a
maintenance factor to incorporate costs related to maintenance in amortizing the cost of the
equipment itself. Therefore, we will not incorporate separate maintenance costs for
particular items. Regarding the Copath system and software equipment, the AMA RUC forwarded
materials from a manufacturer that included a description of a computer system that is
used to interface with other data systems to provide inbound demographic information and export
laboratory results and billing information. Based on the way those functionalities were
presented in this information, we believe that this computer system and associated software reflects
an indirect practice expense since the clerical and other administrative functionality seem
central to its purpose. We note that no similar equipment is currently included as a direct PE
input for these services. All direct PE inputs for these services are interim for CY 2013 and open
to comment. We would consider additional information regarding whether this computer system
and associated software might be considered a direct cost as medical equipment associated with
furnishing the technical component of these surgical pathology services for CY 2014 rulemaking.
We are especially interested in understanding the clinical functionality of the
equipment in relation to the services being furnished.
In addition to this information, we are also seeking additional
public comment regarding the appropriate assumptions regarding the direct PE inputs for these
services. We note that the AMA RUC recommendations for these potentially misvalued codes were
developed based on an underlying assumption regarding the typical number of blocks used each
time a service is reported. The number of blocks assumed to be used has significant
impact on the quantity of other supplies and the number of clinical labor and equipment minutes
assigned as direct PE 575 inputs to each code. After conducting an initial clinical review of
these direct PE inputs, we are concerned that the number of blocks assumed for each code may be
inaccurate. For 88300, no blocks are assumed. For 88302, one block is assumed. For 88304 and
88305, the assumed number of blocks typically used is 2. For 88307, the assumed number
of blocks is 12 and for 88309, the typical number of blocks is assumed to be 18. We are
accepting the AMA RUCs recommended direct PE inputs that derive from these assumptions on an
interim basis for CY 2013, but we are seeking independent evidence regarding the
appropriate number of blocks to assume as typical for each of these services. We are requesting
public comment regarding the appropriate number of blocks and urge the AMA RUC and interested
medical specialty societies to provide corroborating, independent evidence that the number of
blocks assumed in the current direct PE input recommendations is typical prior to finalizing the
direct PE inputs for these services.
This is the biggest game changer in Pathology in the last 10 years. On par with the 90%+ reduction in Flow interpretation...
HUGE.
this is huge. I can stress this enough, the entire landscape will begin to change very dramatically.
Finally I figured it out, here :
http://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Medicar...ral-Regulation-Notices-Items/CMS-1590-FC.html
if you look at the CY 2013 PFS Addenda [ZIP, 1MB] and search for 88305 you can see that they changed RVUs for "Non-Facility PE RVUs2"
88305 TC from 1.98 to 0.98 and
88305 26 from 0.29 to 0.32
Agree with several previous posts as to the enormity of this CMS decision. This is not something that will only affect some people. Yes, some will be affected more than others but this is a tremendous earthquake. My personal opinion is that this drastic cut to the TC should have been offset by a healthy boost to the PC.
Agree with several previous posts as to the enormity of this CMS decision. This is not something that will only affect some people. Yes, some will be affected more than others but this is a tremendous earthquake. My personal opinion is that this drastic cut to the TC should have been offset by a healthy boost to the PC.
Well, it's my personal opinion but I think in the long run it will improve the job market for pathologists. Right now, the bulk of 88305's (derm, GI, GU, GYN) are absorbed by corporate labs, Labcorp (Dianon), Quest, Aurora and Miraca. For the past 5 years, in-house labs were the second increasingly dominant group. Now, the profit margin for in-house labs and corporate entities is gone. There is no way, a TC only in-house lab can survive now, at the same time, in my opinion the current cut throat competition from coporate labs will decrease as the return on investors money will diminish and the investor owned corporate labs will no longer remain as attractive as in past. This is all good news for efficiently run mid sized groups which can now grab the lost market share from in-house and corporate labs which means more jobs in the long run.
Well, it's my personal opinion but I think in the long run it will improve the job market for pathologists. Right now, the bulk of 88305's (derm, GI, GU, GYN) are absorbed by corporate labs, Labcorp (Dianon), Quest, Aurora and Miraca. For the past 5 years, in-house labs were the second increasingly dominant group. Now, the profit margin for in-house labs and corporate entities is gone. There is no way, a TC only in-house lab can survive now, at the same time, in my opinion the current cut throat competition from coporate labs will decrease as the return on investors money will diminish and the investor owned corporate labs will no longer remain as attractive as in past. This is all good news for efficiently run mid sized groups which can now grab the lost market share from in-house and corporate labs which means more jobs in the long run.
Well, it's my personal opinion but I think in the long run it will improve the job market for pathologists. Right now, the bulk of 88305's (derm, GI, GU, GYN) are absorbed by corporate labs, Labcorp (Dianon), Quest, Aurora and Miraca. For the past 5 years, in-house labs were the second increasingly dominant group. Now, the profit margin for in-house labs and corporate entities is gone. There is no way, a TC only in-house lab can survive now, at the same time, in my opinion the current cut throat competition from coporate labs will decrease as the return on investors money will diminish and the investor owned corporate labs will no longer remain as attractive as in past. This is all good news for efficiently run mid sized groups which can now grab the lost market share from in-house and corporate labs which means more jobs in the long run.
Well, it's my personal opinion but I think in the long run it will improve the job market for pathologists. Right now, the bulk of 88305's (derm, GI, GU, GYN) are absorbed by corporate labs, Labcorp (Dianon), Quest, Aurora and Miraca. For the past 5 years, in-house labs were the second increasingly dominant group. Now, the profit margin for in-house labs and corporate entities is gone. There is no way, a TC only in-house lab can survive now, at the same time, in my opinion the current cut throat competition from coporate labs will decrease as the return on investors money will diminish and the investor owned corporate labs will no longer remain as attractive as in past. This is all good news for efficiently run mid sized groups which can now grab the lost market share from in-house and corporate labs which means more jobs in the long run.