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they told me they regret going the DO route and would've chosen the carribean MD if they could redo.
they wanted to go into one of the prestigious residencies and they did well on USMLE, got interviews for residency and said that Carribean MDs at these interviews had an advantage because of the MD bias...
Is this common place?
Is this true?
they told me DO is fine if you aren't competitive. If you're a competitive person, it's not right for you. lol
Yea, that's not true. Certain programs may prefer carribean grads over DOs, but, in general, DOs do better in the match than carribean students.
Yeah and I bet the programs that prefer caribbean MDs over DOs are the better, more competitive programs. In that respect, you are worse off a DO. It sucks but it's life
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The "better, more competitive" programs have no problem filling their spots with US seniors.
Bro, carribean grads basically never match into competitive residencies while DOs match at a significantly greater rate. Some programs don't look at DOs, true, but if you think they'll invite someone who got their degree from a condo complex some people call a medical school, you're fooling yourself.But that's a thing. If you do really really well as a carib MD, you're fine. You can match with no restrictions. If you do really really well as a DO, there are still programs that won't look at you.
So on average, yea DO will be a better bet. But if you think you can do very well and want to give yourself a shot at the competitive programs, Carib MD will probably be a better. But if you don't do well as a Carib MD, you are out of luck; as a DO, you're still fine.
So it comes down to what kind of person you are. Do you think you can do very well? Do you want to take that risk? If you want to, Carib MD offers better rewards
Let's look at the plain-old-facts.But that's a thing. If you do really really well as a carib MD, you're fine. You can match with no restrictions. If you do really really well as a DO, there are still programs that won't look at you.
So on average, yea DO will be a better bet. But if you think you can do very well and want to give yourself a shot at the competitive programs, Carib MD will probably be a better. But if you don't do well as a Carib MD, you are out of luck; as a DO, you're still fine.
So it comes down to what kind of person you are. Do you think you can do very well? Do you want to take that risk? If you want to, Carib MD offers better rewards
But that's a thing. If you do really really well as a carib MD, you're fine. You can match with no restrictions. If you do really really well as a DO, there are still programs that won't look at you.
So on average, yea DO will be a better bet. But if you think you can do very well and want to give yourself a shot at the competitive programs, Carib MD will probably be a better. But if you don't do well as a Carib MD, you are out of luck; as a DO, you're still fine.
So it comes down to what kind of person you are. Do you think you can do very well? Do you want to take that risk? If you want to, Carib MD offers better rewards
they told me they regret going the DO route and would've chosen the carribean MD if they could redo.
they wanted to go into one of the prestigious residencies and they did well on USMLE, got interviews for residency and said that Carribean MDs at these interviews had an advantage because of the MD bias...
Is this common place?
Is this true?
they told me DO is fine if you aren't competitive. If you're a competitive person, it's not right for you. lol
they told me they regret going the DO route and would've chosen the carribean MD if they could redo.
they wanted to go into one of the prestigious residencies and they did well on USMLE, got interviews for residency and said that Carribean MDs at these interviews had an advantage because of the MD bias...
Is this common place?
Is this true?
they told me DO is fine if you aren't competitive. If you're a competitive person, it's not right for you. lol
Let's look at the plain-old-facts.
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/PD-Survey-Report-2014.pdf
*With less than a handful of exceptions, every speciality favors DO applicants- the % per speciality in a few cases is much greater for DO applicants (read the link for more info). Further, the ones that do favor USIMG the % of PDs that look at/rank either is nearly identical (save for 2: NeuroSurg-- enjoy that 40%, lol-- and ENT, at a whopping 37%) that it is ridiculous to even use it as a debatable point (EX: Pathology, 93% of PDs will look at DOs vs 94% of PDs will look at USIMGs). Conversely, there are more competitive specialities in which the % of PDs that will interview/rank DOs vs USIMGs favors DOs considerably (a la Rad Onc., Rads-Diag., Thor. Surg,, Vasc. Surg.).
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Main-Match-Results-and-Data-2014.pdf
78% vs 53% NOT including the AOA match....
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Charting-Outcomes-2014-Final.pdf
So, if you're gunning for NSurg you sure you want to roll the nice of having a 240 step 1, 14! abstracts/presentations/ publications, 5 work experiences, 5 volunteer experiences (the mean values of independent applicants that matched)? If so, then lucky you, at that point only 40% of PDs will even look at your app. Again, since you are so lucky, then you MIGHT be one of the 17 independent applicants who matched. **The numbers/values are nearly identical for ENT-- the only other speciality which PD's considerably (again- 40% and 37%, of which only a combined 33 people matched total!!!) favor USIMG vs DO. **
Enjoy fun in the sun.
Just a side note, any New Yorker will see SGU ads plastered over many Manhattan subway stations and some buses.
Here's evidence that as a DO you can't do jack ****: http://med.brown.edu/neurology/residentbiosReally? Do you have any literature or proof to back that extravagant claim? Please find me a US CITIZEN who went to a carib school who matched at a top tier residency program.
Those FMG's found in competitive residency programs are legitimate international students from a different country.
Just a side note, any New Yorker will see SGU ads plastered over many Manhattan subway stations and some buses.
I'm actually very curious how Caribs will play out in the next few years. All in all, I'd rather get a solid foundation in a DO school than a USMLE heavy Carib school. Just my two cents.
Caribs are coming up, guys...
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They are preying on the vulnerable...We literally have billboards and flyers of AUC and AUA everywhere at UCSD. It's insane.
Fixed that for you, playa.Here's evidence that as a DO you can't do jack ****: http://med.brown.edu/neurology/residentbios
Oh wait, none of those are Caribbean MD but there are 5 DOs at this ivy league program.
The AOA house of delegates did pass a resolution last summer supporting US MD and DO grads matching first. However, many think such a match wouldn't happen because of a number of programs that would be hostile to the idea of taking DO's automatically over qualified IMG's- or even taking DO's at all.I'd actually be fine with any GME policy which would crush carib schools. I think they're predatory and a dangerous investment, considering people's first hand accounts on SDN, match data and average indebtedness of their grads who quite often never even work as doctors.
The AOA house of delegates did pass a resolution last summer supporting US MD and DO grads matching first. However, many think such a match wouldn't happen because of a number of programs that would be hostile to the idea of taking DO's automatically over qualified IMG's- or even taking DO's at all.
I don't necessarily disagree. Just that while DO is generally > than IMG, this doesn't mean all programs would be on board with a policy of automatically taking DO's before IMG's/FMG's.I think hostility is very much going away. Ucsd was the last school I thought that would accept DOs and they've started already.
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Read the outcome reports and look at the match results yourself. This has been disproven time and time again by facts.they told me they regret going the DO route and would've chosen the carribean MD if they could redo.
they wanted to go into one of the prestigious residencies and they did well on USMLE, got interviews for residency and said that Carribean MDs at these interviews had an advantage because of the MD bias...
Is this common place?
Is this true?
they told me DO is fine if you aren't competitive. If you're a competitive person, it's not right for you. lol
A US grads first policy would be a Washington initiative, not a NRMP one, most likely, so this would go above the heads of those that would be against it. There's been talk of lobbying for a bill that ties federal residency funding to matching US grads first, but I honestly don't agree with it. There are a lot of brilliant FMGs out there we would lose out on with such a policy.I don't necessarily disagree. Just that while DO is generally > than IMG, this doesn't mean all programs would be on board with a policy of automatically taking DO's before IMG's/FMG's.
The presence of this opposition, which I imagine would be quite strong with certain programs, could pose a significant barrier towards implenting a US-Grads-first type match.
Stupid question: What's the difference between Foreign MG and International MG? Aren't they synonymous to each other?
You know this Ivy League stuff refers to colleges right? That's it's not really translatable to med school and really really not translatable to residency in all fields?Here's evidence that as a DO you can't do jack ****: http://med.brown.edu/neurology/residentbios
Oh wait, none of those are Caribbean MD but there are 3 DOs at this ivy league program.
Some people prefer using FMG as a term to distinguish foreign born and trained physicians, which are a distinct entity from US IMGs. You could also call them non-US IMGs, but FMG is way easier.Stupid question: What's the difference between Foreign MG and International MG? Aren't they synonymous to each other?
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There are a lot of brilliant FMGs out there we would lose out on with such a policy.
I'd rather the US gain a brilliant researcher and physician than cast them aside because of their nationality just so we can take some bottom of the barrel US grad instead. Many of the best physicians I've worked with are FMGs, the best and brightest from their respective countries. We're not talking some Carib grads here- we're talking people who graduated at the top of their class from places like Cambridge, Oxford, and the University College of London, people with research skills and clinical acumen that serves to keep the U.S. on the cutting edge of medical research and technology. We shouldn't lose that edge in the name of protectionism- and I say that as a person with a dog in this fight. America is what it is because we take the best and brightest from all over, not because we engage in protectionism and intellectual inbreeding.so what, **** them. I can't crush the Germany boards and expect a residency/internship there before their citizens get their cut. I can't walk into France without taking a backseat to French citizens/EU members.
That's the nature of training in the rest of the world. The US is one of the few places that allows non-citizens an equal crack at the ball without consideration to citizenship status. And we have more than enough qualified medical students to seat every competitive residency without having to resort to xyz's countries' superstars.
Yeah and I bet the programs that prefer caribbean MDs over DOs are the better, more competitive programs. In that respect, you are worse off a DO. It sucks but it's life
I am waiting to be a full fledged attending so I can have an opinion in that aspect...I'd rather the US gain a brilliant researcher and physician than cast them aside because of their nationality just so we can take some bottom of the barrel US grad instead. Many of the best physicians I've worked with are FMGs, the best and brightest from their respective countries. We're not talking some Carib grads here- we're talking people who graduated at the top of their class from places like Cambridge, Oxford, and the University College of London, people with research skills and clinical acumen that serves to keep the U.S. on the cutting edge of medical research and technology. We shouldn't lose that edge in the name of protectionism- and I say that as a person with a dog in this fight. America is what it is because we take the best and brightest from all over, not because we engage in protectionism and intellectual inbreeding.
I don't necessarily disagree. Just that while DO is generally > than IMG, this doesn't mean all programs would be on board with a policy of automatically taking DO's before IMG's/FMG's.
The presence of this opposition, which I imagine would be quite strong with certain programs, could pose a significant barrier towards implenting a US-Grads-first type match.
Sigh* fine.You know this Ivy League stuff refers to colleges right? That's it's not really translatable to med school and really really not translatable to residency in all fields?
The NRMP data spells it out. Posting random single programs that you think help your argument is pointless.
DOs now own a huge chunk of the pie. I have no doubt that regardless of any stupid opposition that we'd manage to get everyone onboard. Mark my words. It will happen eventually. The caribbean with its practice of buying training spots is a huge danger to MD programs. DOs being merged in is a lovely excuse for a two tier matching system. Destroying the caribbean option takes precedence over what a few rogue programs may dislike.Do you think that implementation could be pushed forward with new policy directed across all programs because of the merger?
Here's evidence that as a DO you can't do jack ****: http://med.brown.edu/neurology/residentbios
Oh wait, none of those are Caribbean MD but there are 3 DOs at this ivy league program.
Sigh* fine.
Source that this is considered a top program: http://psych.ucsf.edu/news.aspx?id=8253
Source that there are 2 DOs: http://psych.ucsf.edu/education.aspx?id=67713
I know you'll repeat that it's n=1, but I have yet to see a single top program EVER that takes Caribbean MD, whereas taking DO happens (albeit rarely).