Annoyed with my clinical experience. Is it better to just stick through it? Advice?

[mrh125]

I'm doing clinical experience with a GI doctor and scribbing (going to complete 500 hours) and sometimes it's really cool to help patients and learn about what they're dealing with, but a lot of the time it feels like a total chore because im left waiting around with nothing to do a lot of the time. What really frustrates me though is the doctor kicks me out every time she has a female patient my age who acknowledges the fact she's female (and that's about half the patients). One time I got kicked out because the patient wanted to discuss the fact she had breast implants even though I could clearly see that in her file in front of me and I don't care because it's not a big deal, I'm not going to giggle like a five year old because she's talking about her body and I even helped the doctor look into the fact and recognize that a patient had endometriosis (which is very very common). It's really frustrating (im not 5 years old and it's not like any of this stuff is new to me) and even the nurse is shocked that the doctor does that constantly.

I understand patients have a right to their privacy, but this is really gets frustrating and because of this there are multiple long periods of time where im just idling around in the doctor's office with nothing to do. I think it's important that I gain exposure to all areas of medicine. If I have a female patient im not going to evacuate the facility immediately with my hands over my ears or whatever. Is it worth bringing this up to the doc i'm working with or should I just tolerate it and get my hours? im really strapped for hours.

On the bright side there are so cool things i've been exposed to which I can talk about during interviews but this problem has been a lot of my clinical experience.

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[Doctor Strange]

sometimes it's really cool to help patients and learn about what they're dealing with, but a lot of the time it feels like a total chore because im left waiting around with nothing to do a lot of the time.

Lol, wait until you get to clerkships.

 

[Ismet]

I understand patients have a right to their privacy, but this is really gets frustrating and because of this there are multiple long periods of time where im just idling around in the doctor's office with nothing to do. I think it's important that I gain exposure to all areas of medicine. If I have a female patient im not going to evacuate the facility immediately with my hands over my ears or whatever. Is it worth bringing this up to the doc i'm working with or should I just tolerate it and get my hours? im really strapped for hours.

It's not about you. It's about the patient and what they are comfortable with. You are providing a service to make the doctor's job easier, you are not providing care and you are not vital to the care of the patient. Your desire for "exposure to all areas of medicine" does not supersede the privacy and rights of the patient.

Bring something to do while idle in the doctor's office, like homework or a book. This isn't something to quit your job over.

 

[Boolean]

You said it yourself, patient right to privacy. They can do that. I can understand that waiting around could be quite a pain though. I think you might as well stick through it. Sometimes female patients are quite uncomfortable with a male being in the room. You just need to put up with it, even if it gets mind numbingly annoying after happening again and again.

 

[gumdrops]

I'm doing clinical experience with a GI doctor and scribbing (going to complete 500 hours) and sometimes it's really cool to help patients and learn about what they're dealing with, but a lot of the time it feels like a total chore because im left waiting around with nothing to do a lot of the time. What really frustrates me though is the doctor kicks me out every time she has a female patient my age who acknowledges the fact she's female (and that's about half the patients). One time I got kicked out because the patient wanted to discuss the fact she had breast implants even though I could clearly see that in her file in front of me and I don't care because it's not a big deal, I'm not going to giggle like a five year old because she's talking about her body and I even helped the doctor look into the fact and recognize that a patient had endometriosis (which is very very common). It's really frustrating (im not 5 years old and it's not like any of this stuff is new to me) and even the nurse is shocked that the doctor does that constantly.

I understand patients have a right to their privacy, but this is really gets frustrating and because of this there are multiple long periods of time where im just idling around in the doctor's office with nothing to do. I think it's important that I gain exposure to all areas of medicine. If I have a female patient im not going to evacuate the facility immediately with my hands over my ears or whatever. Is it worth bringing this up to the doc i'm working with or should I just tolerate it and get my hours? im really strapped for hours.

On the bright side there are so cool things i've been exposed to which I can talk about during interviews but this problem has been a lot of my clinical experience.

I think you should just be glad you're getting this experience, which will be very helpful both for your personal statement and interviews. So many people are struggling to find scribing or shadowing positions and you're lucky enough to have found both with a GI specialist, where you get to see procedures as well. I don't usually berate the level of entitlement on this forum but this is one of those cases where I want to yell "COME ON" a la GOB Bluth.

 

[mimelim]

The function of pre-med clinical experience is NOT to learn medicine. You aren't "missing out" by not seeing those female patients. Yes, it is strange and largely unnecessary, especially if the patients aren't requesting to be seen alone, but this is the doctor's practice and what they want goes. If they think their patients would be negatively affected by you being in the room, right or wrong, that is just how things are going to be.

I don't understand this concept of "really strapped for hours". If you have gotten what you think you can get out of this experience, you should really move on to something else. If it continues to be valuable for your understanding of what physicians do and what the MD world is like, you should continue.

 

[mrh125]

The function of pre-med clinical experience is NOT to learn medicine. You aren't "missing out" by not seeing those female patients. Yes, it is strange and largely unnecessary, especially if the patients aren't requesting to be seen alone, but this is the doctor's practice and what they want goes. If they think their patients would be negatively affected by you being in the room, right or wrong, that is just how things are going to be.

I don't understand this concept of "really strapped for hours". If you have gotten what you think you can get out of this experience, you should really move on to something else. If it continues to be valuable for your understanding of what physicians do and what the MD world is like, you should continue.

makes sense. I'm strapped for hours because between research, school, and work I didn't get much of a chance to volunteer until after I graduated. that's what I mean by strapped for hours.

I think you should just be glad you're getting this experience, which will be very helpful both for your personal statement and interviews. So many people are struggling to find scribing or shadowing positions and you're lucky enough to have found both with a GI specialist, where you get to see procedures as well. I don't usually berate the level of entitlement on this forum but this is one of those cases where I want to yell "COME ON" a la GOB Bluth.

Yes, I realize how hard it is get a scribbing/shadowing experience and I really lucked out with this one. I appreciate it, but I really wish I could do more to help out. I mean it's good to have breaks and free-time, but having so much idle time just bugs me, especially when I could see myself contributing something to help out in some way the doctor so she doesnt have to stare at a computer screen while talking to the patient.

It's not about you. It's about the patient and what they are comfortable with. You are providing a service to make the doctor's job easier, you are not providing care and you are not vital to the care of the patient. Your desire for "exposure to all areas of medicine" does not supersede the privacy and rights of the patient.

Bring something to do while idle in the doctor's office, like homework or a book. This isn't something to quit your job over.

fair enough thanks. I was just wondering about the whole situation that's all.

Lol, wait until you get to clerkships.

are those rotations? what are those like?

You said it yourself, patient right to privacy. They can do that. I can understand that waiting around could be quite a pain though. I think you might as well stick through it. Sometimes female patients are quite uncomfortable with a male being in the room. You just need to put up with it, even if it gets mind numbingly annoying after happening again and again.

thanks. makes sense. I'll just deal with it like you said. it's still clinical experience.

 

[gumdrops]

makes sense. I'm strapped for hours because between research, school, and work I didn't get much of a chance to volunteer until after I graduated. that's what I mean by strapped for hours.



Yes, I realize how hard it is get a scribbing/shadowing experience and I really lucked out with this one. I appreciate it, but I really wish I could do more to help out. I mean it's good to have breaks and free-time, but having so much idle time just bugs me, especially when I could see myself contributing something to help out in some way the doctor so she doesnt have to stare at a computer screen while talking to the patient.



fair enough thanks. I was just wondering about the whole situation that's all.



are those rotations? what are those like?



thanks. makes sense. I'll just deal with it like you said. it's still clinical experience.

You help the doctor by doing what you're told and staying out of their way. You can't do any more than that at the moment or they would have let you know. What else could you have helped with? You're not trained to do anything else.

 

[mrh125]

You help the doctor by doing what you're told and staying out of their way. You can't do any more than that at the moment or they would have let you know. What else could you have helped with? You're not trained to do anything else.

the nurse let me confirm patients, and sort out some phone calls like get through to the online pharmacy number where they transfer you like 10 diff times. anything would do. I just really want to help out more.

 

[Boolean]

the nurse let me confirm patients, and sort out some phone calls like get through to the online pharmacy number where they transfer you like 10 diff times. anything would do. I just really want to help out more.

Have you asked the doctor you are shadowing if there is anything you can do to assist while you are out of the room?

 

[mrh125]

Have you asked the doctor you are shadowing if there is anything you can do to assist while you are out of the room?

I have before but i'll ask again next time. usually it's the nurse who gives me little things to do.

 

[Boolean]

I have before but i'll ask again next time. usually it's the nurse who gives me little things to do.

Maybe it'll help! There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to be more productive.

 

[mehc012]

I know this is not the main point, but for the LOVE of all that is holy, PLEASE learn how to spell 'scribing' before you write about it in any application.
Once is a typo.
Twice is painful.
And yes, I know that 'scribing' is probably not a technical word with an official spelling, but it at least has a commonly accepted one...

 

[mrh125]

I know this is not the main point, but for the LOVE of all that is holy, PLEASE learn how to spell 'scribing' before you write about it in any application.
Once is a typo.
Twice is painful.
And yes, I know that 'scribing' is probably not a technical word with an official spelling, but it at least has a commonly accepted one...

fair enough. thanks

 

[EngineerPreMD]

Well, yeah, I mean patient privacy is patient privacy, but it's very odd that he specifically chooses to send you out when it's female patients, your age, with sex/gender-related concerns. I mean, I'm not sure if I'd want you in the room if you he was asking me about the puss oozing out of my penile warts or some other embarrassing/abnormal condition. If I were the doctor I'd try to be less obvious with my choices and send you out whenever I thought any patient might be made very uncomfortable. Still, it can get awkward shadowing as an undergrad. It's almost as if medical training would give you a new lens to see the situation from a non-sexual and purely medical viewpoint, but without that lens when you see a vagina you're really just looking at a vagina.

 

[mrh125]

Well, yeah, I mean patient privacy is patient privacy, but it's very odd that he specifically chooses to send you out when it's female patients, your age, with sex/gender-related concerns. I mean, I'm not sure if I'd want you in the room if you he was asking me about the puss oozing out of my penile warts or some other embarrassing/abnormal condition. If I were the doctor I'd try to be less obvious with my choices and send you out whenever I thought any patient might be made very uncomfortable. Still, it can get awkward shadowing as an undergrad. It's almost as if medical training would give you a new lens to see the situation from a non-sexual and purely medical viewpoint, but without that lens when you see a vagina you're really just looking at a vagina.

Exactly. The funny thing is I have to stay in during every prostate exam done for the doctor (there's some law about a witness being there). But the second a woman acknowledges she has a vagina - "you Gotta go".

 

[Mt Kilimanjaro]

the doctor kicks me out every time she has a female patient my age who acknowledges the fact she's female (and that's about half the patients). One time I got kicked out because the patient wanted to discuss the fact she had breast implants even though I could clearly see that in her file in front of me and I don't care because it's not a big deal

1) Half of them don't acknowledge that they're female? What do they say they are?
2) Why are there so many college-aged female patients at this GI clinic?
2) Why was this patient talking to a GI doctor about her breast implants?

 

[mrh125]

1) Half of them don't acknowledge that they're female? What do they say they are?
2) Why are there so many college-aged female patients at this GI clinic?
2) Why was this patient talking to a GI doctor about her breast implants?

1) I mean half the patients are female
2) because a lot of girls my age have nervous stomachs from stress, hormone related issues and endometriosis which is often indirectly found out by a gi doc first
3) she just wanted to disclose she had them

 

[MDclassof2018]

I can hardly blame this physician, since you post comments hundreds of comments like these on your reddit account:

"holding the door open is old fashioned bull****. men shouldnt do it. why reward women for being female? ****'s stupid as hell. i'll do that when women suck my dick after i open doors for them otherwise they can **** off. those who want it are a bunch of entitled brats."

"who cares? she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that."

"good thing theyre free because nobody should waste money on books since they're so gay, stupid, boring, and an outdated form of entertainment. books are for stupid people who cant get laid."

"all of them, books are so terrible, stupid, and boring. they're entertainment for the ****ing stone age. Earnest Hemingway was especially guilty of being a total cock sucker writer who is unappealing in every way though."

"If you have sex with a pregnant girl does it count as a threesome?"


If I were you, I'd consider posting this garbage on an account that cannot be linked to the account(s) you use to post on pre-professional forums. Considering how prolific your posts are, I'm sure I'm not the first one to identify your reddit account (since you post the same exact threads on that site). Anyone who uses both this site and reddit and gets bored enough to click on your reddit user history can find an abundance of crass, inappropriate comments. Not the best look for an aspiring physician.

 

[Doctor Strange]

I can hardly blame this physician, since you post comments hundreds of comments like these on your reddit account:

"holding the door open is old fashioned bullcrap. men shouldnt do it. why reward women for being female? ****'s stupid as hell. i'll do that when women suck my dick after i open doors for them otherwise they can **** off. those who want it are a bunch of entitled brats."

"who cares? she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that."

"good thing theyre free because nobody should waste money on books since they're so gay, stupid, boring, and an outdated form of entertainment. books are for stupid people who cant get laid."

"all of them, books are so terrible, stupid, and boring. they're entertainment for the ******* stone age. Earnest Hemingway was especially guilty of being a total cock sucker writer who is unappealing in every way though."

"If you have sex with a pregnant girl does it count as a threesome?"


If I were you, I'd consider posting this garbage on an account that cannot be linked to the account(s) you use to post on pre-professional forums. Considering how prolific your posts are, I'm sure I'm not the first one to identify your reddit account (since you post the same exact threads on that site). Anyone who uses both this site and reddit and gets bored enough to click on your reddit user history can find an abundance of crass, inappropriate comments. Not the best look for an aspiring physician.

qft

 

[iniquus]

As Ismet said, patient privacy > your interest. You might not even end up going to medical school, that's why it's for your interest and not for your education. You have a remote chance of contributing anything relevant to her medical care. There's no reason to have you in there for the patient at that point.

Be thankful, the doctor let you work at his practice and see some of the patients with him. That's his livelihood and income, so ensuring patient comfort is a priority.

 

[EngineerPreMD]

I can hardly blame this physician, since you post comments hundreds of comments like these on your reddit account:

"holding the door open is old fashioned bullcrap. men shouldnt do it. why reward women for being female? ****'s stupid as hell. i'll do that when women suck my dick after i open doors for them otherwise they can **** off. those who want it are a bunch of entitled brats."

"who cares? she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that."

"good thing theyre free because nobody should waste money on books since they're so gay, stupid, boring, and an outdated form of entertainment. books are for stupid people who cant get laid."

"all of them, books are so terrible, stupid, and boring. they're entertainment for the ******* stone age. Earnest Hemingway was especially guilty of being a total cock sucker writer who is unappealing in every way though."

"If you have sex with a pregnant girl does it count as a threesome?"


If I were you, I'd consider posting this garbage on an account that cannot be linked to the account(s) you use to post on pre-professional forums. Considering how prolific your posts are, I'm sure I'm not the first one to identify your reddit account (since you post the same exact threads on that site). Anyone who uses both this site and reddit and gets bored enough to click on your reddit user history can find an abundance of crass, inappropriate comments. Not the best look for an aspiring physician.

Damn, those are some seriously awful things to say. Still, why are you digging up someone's history and publicly shaming them? If it is so easily accessible, let people access it on their own if they want to. Digging into the archives of what any person has said will reveal a lot of awful things, so this is more an issue of him being far too recognizable by saying these things on the internet. Especially since you're not going to bring about any changes by calling him out on sdn. Next time, if you'd truly like to save him some embarrassment, send him a private message on reddit or something. If just want to act high and mighty without actually bringing about anything positive, stick to reddit where this is the norm.

 

[mehc012]

Damn, those are some seriously awful things to say. Still, why are you digging up someone's history and publicly shaming them? If it is so easily accessible, let people access it on their own if they want to. Digging into the archives of what any person has said will reveal a lot of awful things, so this is more an issue of him being far too recognizable by saying these things on the internet. Especially since you're not going to bring about any changes by calling him out on sdn. Next time, if you'd truly like to save him some embarrassment, send him a private message on reddit or something. If just want to act high and mighty without actually bringing about anything positive, stick to reddit where this is the norm.

No, it really won't. Most people don't post crap like that, EVER. It may seem more common because it draws attention to itself and is overrepresented on the internet (shock sells, even by internet's strange standards), but most people DO NOT say that ****.

 

[asebasp]

I can hardly blame this physician, since you post comments hundreds of comments like these on your reddit account:

"holding the door open is old fashioned bullcrap. men shouldnt do it. why reward women for being female? ****'s stupid as hell. i'll do that when women suck my dick after i open doors for them otherwise they can **** off. those who want it are a bunch of entitled brats."

"who cares? she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that."

"good thing theyre free because nobody should waste money on books since they're so gay, stupid, boring, and an outdated form of entertainment. books are for stupid people who cant get laid."

"all of them, books are so terrible, stupid, and boring. they're entertainment for the ******* stone age. Earnest Hemingway was especially guilty of being a total cock sucker writer who is unappealing in every way though."

"If you have sex with a pregnant girl does it count as a threesome?"


If I were you, I'd consider posting this garbage on an account that cannot be linked to the account(s) you use to post on pre-professional forums. Considering how prolific your posts are, I'm sure I'm not the first one to identify your reddit account (since you post the same exact threads on that site). Anyone who uses both this site and reddit and gets bored enough to click on your reddit user history can find an abundance of crass, inappropriate comments. Not the best look for an aspiring physician.

Dude...that's messed up

 

[pietachok]

Well, yeah, I mean patient privacy is patient privacy, but it's very odd that he specifically chooses to send you out when it's female patients, your age, with sex/gender-related concerns. I mean, I'm not sure if I'd want you in the room if you he was asking me about the puss oozing out of my penile warts or some other embarrassing/abnormal condition. If I were the doctor I'd try to be less obvious with my choices and send you out whenever I thought any patient might be made very uncomfortable. Still, it can get awkward shadowing as an undergrad. It's almost as if medical training would give you a new lens to see the situation from a non-sexual and purely medical viewpoint, but without that lens when you see a vagina you're really just looking at a vagina.

I believe that is precisely what this physician is doing. If you have the fortune of getting into med school and becoming a doctor, you will realize that patients in certain demographics tend to be uncomfortable talking about certain issues in front of others (even of the same gender, and even if they have an MD). Often but not always these are younger patients or female patients. Women tend to get much more comfortable with their bodies later in life than men. The doctor the OP is working with is female, and it is reasonable to presume that plenty of patients pick a female physician specifically because they are uncomfortable having such discussions/exams with even a male physician let alone a pre-med. (Indeed, I have even read one study that found women actually had a stronger preference for a female GI than a female GYN).

Patients feel so vulnerable in the doctor's office that it is not fair to put the onus on them to ask that an observer be sent out of the room -- many times they will just stay quiet not only about not wanting to be observed, but ostensibly about a relevant part of their complaint, which means they will not get appropriate benefit from their visit. Depending on the complaint, part of the history taken by a GI doctor will ask the patient to divulge eating disorders, laxative or supplement abuse, anal sex and even sexual assault -- topics that can have a lot of emotional baggage even for women who are pretty comfortable with their body.

As has already been mentioned, the premed shadowing is not to teach you medicine. I would hope that rather than becoming indignant for not having his interests coddled the OP and other pre-meds could walk away from this observership with an appreciation for the doctor's sensitivity and reasons why certain patients require "protection." I'm actually really disappointed that the OP cannot come to this realization on his own.

(By the way, it's pus not puss, unless you have cats oozing from your genitals . . . which may have a worse prognosis than any STD)

 

[mrh125]

Damn, those are some seriously awful things to say. Still, why are you digging up someone's history and publicly shaming them? If it is so easily accessible, let people access it on their own if they want to. Digging into the archives of what any person has said will reveal a lot of awful things, so this is more an issue of him being far too recognizable by saying these things on the internet. Especially since you're not going to bring about any changes by calling him out on sdn. Next time, if you'd truly like to save him some embarrassment, send him a private message on reddit or something. If just want to act high and mighty without actually bringing about anything positive, stick to reddit where this is the norm.

Look at his account, the guy made the first post as an attempt to shame me for posting silly **** on a site completely unrelated to anything I do in real life or here. If I offended you for something not directed towards you, you have my apologies but this stuff is laughably non-serious.

No, it really won't. Most people don't post crap like that, EVER. It may seem more common because it draws attention to itself and is overrepresented on the internet (shock sells, even by internet's strange standards), but most people DO NOT say that ****.

oh please, you're fooling yourself with that sort of comment. if you peel away the political correctness you're utilizing and embracing with that post, you'll see that a lot of people post and say non-serious **** that is very similar and so have you. if you've joined call of duty or interacted with people in any sort of social environment online or offline in any college or high school environment you'd see more than some of it.

Dude...that's messed up

it's only messed up if you embrace it as seriously which it obviously isnt. what's more messed is actually having world views like that and allowing them to influence your decisions which I dont. It's like saying dave chapelle is messed up for what he is.

 

[mrh125]

I can hardly blame this physician, since you post comments hundreds of comments like these on your reddit account:

"holding the door open is old fashioned bullcrap. men shouldnt do it. why reward women for being female? ****'s stupid as hell. i'll do that when women suck my dick after i open doors for them otherwise they can **** off. those who want it are a bunch of entitled brats."

"who cares? she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that."

"good thing theyre free because nobody should waste money on books since they're so gay, stupid, boring, and an outdated form of entertainment. books are for stupid people who cant get laid."

"all of them, books are so terrible, stupid, and boring. they're entertainment for the ******* stone age. Earnest Hemingway was especially guilty of being a total cock sucker writer who is unappealing in every way though."

"If you have sex with a pregnant girl does it count as a threesome?"


If I were you, I'd consider posting this garbage on an account that cannot be linked to the account(s) you use to post on pre-professional forums. Considering how prolific your posts are, I'm sure I'm not the first one to identify your reddit account (since you post the same exact threads on that site). Anyone who uses both this site and reddit and gets bored enough to click on your reddit user history can find an abundance of crass, inappropriate comments. Not the best look for an aspiring physician.

Oh please, I posted obviously non-serious stuff on a website that is dedicated to posting stupid inane bull**** (reddit is arguably the 4chan lite), as an obvious stress reliever and way to satirize the way people think stupid things people said, and issues I've experienced (all that reading bull is just me making fun of the fact that growing I had issues reading due to the fact I had the attention span of a gnat). If you're condemning me for posting ridiculous **** online everyone on this forum, everyone who trash talks someone in call of duty or has negative thoughts is just as guilty. What I also recognize is that every premed and future doctor should recognize is that they will encounter many patients and other doctors who have different and myopic world views than their own and in order to really interact with that person or individual address their circumstances and help them, they should understand that people do and can have bigoted beliefs and biases that influence their decisions and that does not make them a better or worse person or worthy of any disrespect. If one cannot react to that sort of stuff or look beyond it, they should develop such techniques otherwise they're in for negative and harsh experiences as a doctor. There is a cold and gritty part of reality that we will all deal with and becoming comfortable with it and even satirizing it is a way to deal with it without making assumptions. Also, extreme political correctness is a shield that can often block the individual utilizing it from what goes on in reality and such political correctness can often block individuals from genuine self-expression that is ****ing hilarious. What is an actual problem is people who utilize myopic world views to justify their decisions and act like they dont.

We are all premeds and have worked incredibly hard to get where we are today and attempting to shame me for something silly is just laughable at best and I would think that someone who will be in an MD in 2018 would have more foresight and depth than to pick out obviously non-serious **** as an attempt to call me out and I will not be discounted or over generalized because of that and anyone with any sort of foresight or depth should see that (how's that 20/20 hindsight working out for you).


Are tyler, the creator or dave chapelle messed up for doing the same thing? **** no they aren't. Acting like you're the pontiffof/some sort of extreme moral authority is just laughable, considering you and everyone else has done the same or something similar. Yes you do have a point about obfuscating one's self, but I see no reason to considering how damn silly this stuff. I'm not self-conscious about it because it's a joke and funny as hell.

 

[mcloaf]

I can hardly blame this physician, since you post comments hundreds of comments like these on your reddit account:

"holding the door open is old fashioned bullcrap. men shouldnt do it. why reward women for being female? ****'s stupid as hell. i'll do that when women suck my dick after i open doors for them otherwise they can **** off. those who want it are a bunch of entitled brats."

"who cares? she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that."

"good thing theyre free because nobody should waste money on books since they're so gay, stupid, boring, and an outdated form of entertainment. books are for stupid people who cant get laid."

"all of them, books are so terrible, stupid, and boring. they're entertainment for the ******* stone age. Earnest Hemingway was especially guilty of being a total cock sucker writer who is unappealing in every way though."

"If you have sex with a pregnant girl does it count as a threesome?"


If I were you, I'd consider posting this garbage on an account that cannot be linked to the account(s) you use to post on pre-professional forums. Considering how prolific your posts are, I'm sure I'm not the first one to identify your reddit account (since you post the same exact threads on that site). Anyone who uses both this site and reddit and gets bored enough to click on your reddit user history can find an abundance of crass, inappropriate comments. Not the best look for an aspiring physician.

Thanks for scribbing this.

 

[mrh125]

I believe that is precisely what this physician is doing. If you have the fortune of getting into med school and becoming a doctor, you will realize that patients in certain demographics tend to be uncomfortable talking about certain issues in front of others (even of the same gender, and even if they have an MD). Often but not always these are younger patients or female patients. Women tend to get much more comfortable with their bodies later in life than men. The doctor the OP is working with is female, and it is reasonable to presume that plenty of patients pick a female physician specifically because they are uncomfortable having such discussions/exams with even a male physician let alone a pre-med. (Indeed, I have even read one study that found women actually had a stronger preference for a female GI than a female GYN).



Patients feel so vulnerable in the doctor's office that it is not fair to put the onus on them to ask that an observer be sent out of the room -- many times they will just stay quiet not only about not wanting to be observed, but ostensibly about a relevant part of their complaint, which means they will not get appropriate benefit from their visit. Depending on the complaint, part of the history taken by a GI doctor will ask the patient to divulge eating disorders, laxative or supplement abuse, anal sex and even sexual assault -- topics that can have a lot of emotional baggage even for women who are pretty comfortable with their body.



As has already been mentioned, the premed shadowing is not to teach you medicine. I would hope that rather than becoming indignant for not having his interests coddled the OP and other pre-meds could walk away from this observership with an appreciation for the doctor's sensitivity and reasons why certain patients require "protection." I'm actually really disappointed that the OP cannot come to this realization on his own.



(By the way, it's pus not puss, unless you have cats oozing from your genitals . . . which may have a worse prognosis than any STD)

You have very valid points and I do recognize them and understand them, but I also have a different point of view due to the circumstances I have experienced and the way I was raised. In my mind nothing should interfere with you as the patient getting the quality of care you need and one should recognize that every individual (until proven otherwise) in the environment can help you in ways you may not expect as long as you are direct about what is going on and there have been times where I did not speak up due to self-consciousness and concerns of embarrassment when I was younger and regret. Nowadays I'd have no problem telling a doctor if my genitals looked like a space alien and I believe a lot of directness can go a long way to getting your issues resolved more easily. Your point of view is equally valid and I will integrate both points of view.

 

[NontradCA]

Why did someone care enough to dig through your post history on another site and link it to this one? What are you doing everyday to make enemies like this? Just curious, not trying to be condescending.

 

[terp720]

Oh please, I posted obviously non-serious stuff on a website that is dedicated to posting stupid inane bullcrap (reddit is arguably the 4chan lite), as an obvious stress reliever and way to satirize the way people think stupid things people said, and issues I've experienced (all that reading bull is just me making fun of the fact that growing I had issues reading due to the fact I had the attention span of a gnat). If you're condemning me for posting ridiculous **** online everyone on this forum, everyone who trash talks someone in call of duty or has negative thoughts is just as guilty. What I also recognize is that every premed and future doctor should recognize is that they will encounter many patients and other doctors who have different and myopic world views than their own and in order to really interact with that person or individual address their circumstances and help them, they should understand that people do and can have bigoted beliefs and biases that influence their decisions and that does not make them a better or worse person or worthy of any disrespect. If one cannot react to that sort of stuff or look beyond it, they should develop such techniques otherwise they're in for negative and harsh experiences as a doctor. There is a cold and gritty part of reality that we will all deal with and becoming comfortable with it and even satirizing it is a way to deal with it without making assumptions. Also, extreme political correctness is a shield that can often block the individual utilizing it from what goes on in reality and such political correctness can often block individuals from genuine self-expresion. What is an actual problem is people who utilize myopic world views to justify their decisions and act like they dont.

We are all premeds and have worked incredibly hard to get where we are today and attempting to shame me for something silly is just laughable at best and I would think that someone who will be in an MD in 2018 would have more foresight and depth than to pick out obviously non-serious **** as an attempt to call me out and I will not be discounted or over generalized because of that and anyone with any sort of foresight or depth should see that (how's that 20/20 hindsight working out for you).


Are tyler, the creator or dave chapelle messed up for doing the same thing? **** no they aren't. Acting like you're the pontiffof some sort of extreme moral authority is just laughable, considering you and everyone else has done the same or something similar. Yes you do have a point about obfuscating one's self, but I see no reason to considering how damn silly this stuff. I'm not self-conscious about it because it's a joke.

I get what you're saying about talking in online gaming and forums and what not. Some of those things are silly and stupid, whatever.

But this one: "who cares? she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that."

I'm sorry, but this is just beyond "silly".
I don't care to get into this conversation, but I suggest not playing off comments like these towards women as silly and jokes.

 

[mrh125]

Why did someone care enough to dig through your post history on another site and link it to this one? What are you doing everyday to make enemies like this? Just curious, not trying to be condescending.

most of the **** i post on reddit (which is a trolly site) is a joke and just amusing stuff I think of when im bored or stressed. im not trying to make enemies although I won't deny it is inflammatory. The person probably wanted to teach me a lesson or something. he registered the account just to do it.

 

[mrh125]

I get what you're saying about talking in online gaming and forums and what not. Some of those things are silly and stupid, whatever.

But this one: "who cares? she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that."

I'm sorry, but this is just beyond "silly".
I don't care to get into this conversation, but I suggest not playing off comments like these towards women as silly and jokes.

fair enough, I wont deny I take it too fair sometimes.

 

[pietachok]

You have very valid points and I do recognize them and understand them, but I also have a different point of view due to the circumstances I have experienced and the way I was raised. In my mind nothing should interfere with you as the patient getting the quality of care you need and one should recognize that every individual (until proven otherwise) in the environment can help you in ways you may not expect as long as you are direct about what is going on and there have been times where I did not speak up due to self-consciousness and concerns of embarrassment when I was younger and regret. Nowadays I'd have no problem telling a doctor if my genitals looked like a space alien and I believe a lot of directness can go a long way to getting your issues resolved more easily. Your point of view is equally valid and I will integrate both points of view.

?? Huh. I don't understand what in the world this alternative point of view that you're going to integrate is. My point of view is equally valid to what? You don't get to decide when patients are/should be comfortable.

 

[NontradCA]

most of the **** i post on reddit (which is a trolly site) is a joke and just amusing stuff I think of when im bored or stressed. im not trying to make enemies although I won't deny it is inflammatory.

Ya but why did this guy go to the trouble to dig it up?

 

[mrh125]

Ya but why did this guy go to the trouble to dig it up?

because he probably got annoyed and personalized it or something he registered the account just to do it.

?? Huh. I don't understand what in the world this alternative point of view that you're going to integrate is. My point of view is equally valid to what?

your point of view is equally valid to mine. I'm balancing my point of view with yours and seeing it's both. a patient has every right to be self-conscious about their circumstances as you said and kick me out, but at the same time the patient or individual should recognize that even though he or she may be self conscious every individual in the medical environment there to help her/him may be able to be provide significant help until proven otherwise (it's like judging people based off of their looks and first impressions, for example I had a professor who looked like a burly homeless person and turned out to be overwhelming brilliant), and that's why going beyond on the self-consciousness and being direct is also important. If you're too self-conscious you might not be able to express what's actually going on with and patients can often times be intimidated by a doctor and unable to express what's really bothering them or alienate someone who can provide help you might not expect and that's bad. that's why i said it's about balancing both points of views.

I really want to help patients and I think just being able to type instead of having to have my doctor bury her face in front of a screen can be invaluable and i've obviously discussed and helped the doctor with somethings based off of stuff i read (we discuss cases in her office). even though i am a rookie at this, we all have valuable stuff we can offer.

 

[DrCharlemagne]

Honestly OP, your dismissive attitiude to the valid reasons a physician may excuse a young man from the exam room coupled with your denials that the vitriolic and sexist language you "joke" with *is worrisome are probably *reasons why the women in the office might want not want you there or feel comfortable asking you to leave.
Edit: subject verb agreement is hard.

 

[pietachok]

because he probably got annoyed and personalized it or something he registered the account just to do it.


your point of view is equally valid to mine. I'm balancing my point of view with yours and seeing it's both. a patient has every right to be self-conscious about their circumstances as you said and kick me out, but at the same time the patient or individual should recognize that even though he or she may be self conscious every individual in the medical environment there to help her/him may be able to be provide significant help until proven otherwise (it's like judging people based off of their looks and first impressions, for example I had a professor who looked like a burly homeless person and turned out to be overwhelming brilliant), and that's why going beyond on the self-consciousness and being direct is also important. If you're too self-conscious you might not be able to express what's actually going on with and patients can often times be intimidated by a doctor and unable to express what's really bothering them. that's why i said it's about balancing both points of views.

Absolutely not. A patient visiting a physician does not have any obligation to discuss their private matters in front of a pre-med who may never even become a health professional -- the only screening process you've passed is that you've gotten into college, so for all intents and purposes you're a random person off the street. I could just as well pick another patient out of the waiting room to sit in on your visit and tell you to give that person a chance to be helpful. If a patient chooses to share her experience with you, that is her doing you -- not herself --a favor.

One has to wonder based on the contents of this thread whether the fact that you have been dismissed from these visits is in fact a highly calculated decision on the part of your physician.

 

[Ismet]

First of all, keep the discussion civil, please. Personal attacks are not allowed on SDN.

but at the same time the patient or individual should recognize that even though he or she may be self conscious every individual in the medical environment there to help her/him may be able to be provide significant help until proven otherwise (it's like judging people based off of their looks and first impressions, for example I had a professor who looked like a burly homeless person and turned out to be overwhelming brilliant), and that's why going beyond on the self-consciousness and being direct is also important. If you're too self-conscious you might not be able to express what's actually going on with and patients can often times be intimidated by a doctor and unable to express what's really bothering them or alienate someone who can provide help you might not expect and that's bad. that's why i said it's about balancing both points of views.

That argument might be more valid if you were a medical student and were actually potentially responsible for part of that patient's care. But you are a scribe. If the doctor introduced you as a scribe, or if the patient knows that the doctor uses scribes, the patient knows you have no business administering their care. If they have a problem with self-consciousness, you being in the room would be even more of a hindrance. I'm sorry if this doesn't agree with how you were raised or how you think it should be, but this is how it is. You, as a pre-med scribe, have zero "right" to be in the room with the patient. Rather, the patient or doctor allows you to be there if they are comfortable.

 

[MDforMee]

 

[mrh125]

Honestly OP, your dismissive attitiude to the valid reasons a physician may excuse a young man from the exam room coupled with your denials that the vitriolic and sexist language you "joke" with are worrisome are probably *reasons why the women in the office might want not want you there or feel comfortable asking you to leave.

posting jokes online have nothing to do with anything in a doctor's office. I haven't dismissed any of the reasons people have said. I have recognized them and also stated that I have valid reasons. You're just grasping at straws and looking for a reason to attack what I have to say.

Absolutely not. A patient visiting a physician does not have any obligation to discuss their private matters in front of a pre-med who may never even become a health professional -- the only screening process you've passed is that you've gotten into college, so for all intents and purposes you're a random person off the street. I could just as well pick another patient out of the waiting room to sit in on your visit and tell you to give that person a chance to be helpful. If a patient chooses to share her experience with you, that is her doing you -- not herself --a favor.

One has to wonder based on the contents of this thread whether the fact that you have been dismissed from these visits is in fact a highly calculated decision on the part of your physician.

it's not a highly calculated decision at all lol, so dont even go there. I acknowledged your point of view, mine has an equal amount of merit. People who you do not expect may be able to contribute valuable information to any given situation regardless of their qualifications. While she is doing me a favor, I am also helping her by doing my job the best I can and giving her 100% respect and effort into my scribbing endeavors and discussing what I know with the doctor, while the doctor now has the ability to directly interact with the patient instead of having to bury her face in a computer screen (her words, not mine). You also have to acknowledge that wanting to help and not being able to is frustrating regardless of who can, cannot etc.

Every unit of the medical system regardless of who they are has the capacity to offer a lot, regardless of their qualifications. it doesn't have to be something like directly helping the patient by diagnosing or prescribing drugs. it's like every piece of a computer has a role and although you may only recognize some parts, once one of the less known parts malfunctions their role will be equally recognized as important.

First of all, keep the discussion civil, please. Personal attacks are not allowed on SDN.



That argument might be more valid if you were a medical student and were actually potentially responsible for part of that patient's care. But you are a scribe. If the doctor introduced you as a scribe, or if the patient knows that the doctor uses scribes, the patient knows you have no business administering their care. If they have a problem with self-consciousness, you being in the room would be even more of a hindrance. I'm sorry if this doesn't agree with how you were raised or how you think it should be, but this is how it is. You, as a pre-med scribe, have zero "right" to be in the room with the patient. Rather, the patient or doctor allows you to be there if they are comfortable.

what you said makes perfect sense.

 

[DrCharlemagne]

posting jokes online have nothing to do with anything in a doctor's office. I haven't dismissed any of the reasons people have said. I have recognized them and also stated that I have valid reasons. You're just grasping at straws and looking for a reason to attack what I have to say.

No, I'm deeply disturbed by what you've had to say, and how you justify it. And if this behavior is as common as you assert, then how can you also not see that this social reality won't enter into the calculations made by the physician and her patients when sending you out of the room?

 

[mrh125]

No, I'm deeply disturbed by what you've had to say, and how you justify it. And if this behavior is as common as you assert, then how can you also not see that this social reality won't enter into the calculations made by the physician and her patients when sending you out of the room?

reread what i've said it's because I have an intelligent and overarching point of view that doesn't even pretend to take such comments seriously in the first place for one moment. next thing you'll be saying is that dave chapelle or sarah silverman can't be decent human beings because they make jokes about sexism and racism that can be taken equally offensive and doesn't jeopardize their character in the slightest. what you see is what you make of it.

 

[DrCharlemagne]

reread what i've said it's because I have an intelligent and overarching point of view that doesn't even pretend to take such comments seriously in the first place for one moment. next thing you'll be saying is that dave chapelle or sarah silverman can't be decent human beings because they make jokes about sexism and racism that can be taken equally offensive and doesn't jeopardize their character in the slightest. what you see is what you make of it.

I'm not saying they're not decent human beings, but they're also not trying to be physicians.

 

[Ismet]

Also keep in mind that even as a future healthcare professional, you should try to be professional in all aspects of your life, including what you post online, especially if it can be traced to you. You are/will be responsible for people's lives, and that requires a level of professionalism that will always be under the microscope. Even if you were trolling and pretending to have those views, that is not an acceptable thing to be doing as an aspiring physician.

Those comedians you reference are not trying to become physicians.

 

[DrCharlemagne]

See also:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...g-fired-from-scribe-job-adcom-please.1062039/

 

[mrh125]

I'm not saying they're not decent human beings, but they're also not trying to be physicians.

and if they were you couldn't possibly for one second say that would nullify their qualifications to be a doctor. being exposed to the dingus of society and making light of it is key considering you will be exposed to it on a constant bases. you will see racists, drug addicts, people who have done dysfunctional things and utilize it to express their pathology and background not only as patients but other doctors around you and making light of it is key. I've seen things from both sides and that is why I take and gain a point of view that is all inclusive.

 

[mrh125]

Also keep in mind that even as a future healthcare professional, you should try to be professional in all aspects of your life, including what you post online, especially if it can be traced to you. You are/will be responsible for people's lives, and that requires a level of professionalism that will always be under the microscope. Even if you were trolling and pretending to have those views, that is not an acceptable thing to be doing as an aspiring physician.

Those comedians you reference are not trying to become physicians.

point taken. I appreciate the feedback. it's better not to have this issue in the first place than have to justify it as that person in that other case did.

 

[mcloaf]

and if they were you couldn't possibly for one second say that would nullify their qualifications to be a doctor. being exposed to the dingus of society and making light of it is key considering you will be exposed to it on a constant bases. you will see racists, drug addicts, people who have done dysfunctional things and utilize it to express their pathology and background not only as patients but other doctors around you and making light of it is key. I've seen things from both sides and that is why I take and gain a point of view that is all inclusive.

Interested to hear you explain how "she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that" is a legitimate approach to making light of tough patients and challenges in medicine. Sounds like a strong personal statement.

 

[mrh125]

Interested to hear you explain how "she should have just shut up and sucked dick. literally every problem females have can be solved by that" is a legitimate approach to making light of tough patients and challenges in medicine. Sounds like a strong personal statement.

since you asked im happy to oblige. lol, it's just a juvenile quintessential comment endemic to both reddit and 4chan. if you want to think further sexism will be encountered in many places and in every walk oflife and instead of shutting down and being appalled by people's short-sighted point of views the key is to push forward and take into account that this will be the case and learn to overcome it in a way that works for you.

water off of a duck's back. especially if you can laugh about how stupid it is for people to be that.