annual meeting, asipp vs. sis?

[drpainfree]

asipp meeting is coming up on 4/16 weekend, was planning to go, but there's another local meeting i'd also like to attend in the same weekend. so i'm debating if you have any preference on either asipp annual meeting or the one from international sis, which is in july. i haven't attended either before.

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[lonelobo]

SIS

 

[jonnylingo]

What about PAIN Week Sept 6-10 in Vegas. Never been. Legit?

http://conference.painweek.org/

 

[101N]

Legit

 

[lonelobo]

What about PAIN Week Sept 6-10 in Vegas. Never been. Legit?

http://conference.painweek.org/

Not sure I want my lectures from CRNA, CNP , RN, and Naturopaths

 

[gdub25]

I see a lot of talk about SIS on these forums, but in my training and meetings I've been to I never hear SIS mentioned, always ASIPP. I've been wondering why this is. Different parts of the country one is more prevalent, or Anesthesia vs PMR perhaps. I'm anesthesia, everyone I know in pain management is anesthesia. Wondering if that's the deal.

 

[drpainfree]

definitely not

Not sure I want my lectures from CRNA, CNP , RN, and Naturopaths

 

[pjuer]

jonnylingo said: ↑
What about PAIN Week Sept 6-10 in Vegas. Never been. Legit?

http://conference.painweek.org/
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Not sure I want my lectures from CRNA, CNP , RN, and Naturopaths

lonelobo, Yesterday at 11:20 AM Report


You mean like this guy: http://dataomaha.com/medicare/omaha/michael-k-perry

 

[Extralong]

In my limited experience, I would say that ASIPP is more about new cutting edge technology, practical applications of that technology, and how you can apply it in your own practice. Its actually pretty cool stuff. Furthermore, ASIPP also leans more towards an advocacy type of society, with possibility of taking to congressmen etc.
SIS is more research oriented, discussing what is leading in evidence based treatment. I would equate SIS meeting closer to APS annual meeting. Good for research/evidence based material. Pretty useful stuff too.

Each has their flavor. Hope that helps.

P.S. I've been to many of these meetings, but I have yet to attend Pain Week yet.

 

[ampaphb]

APS is completely med management, almost no interventional.

SIS is where the thought leaders present their research. Last year was a ton of HF 10.

ASIPP is mostly how to get paid. Also, the Lax cult of personality. Almost no useful info when it comes to things you might change in your clinical practice. You should also note that, while most of the guys on the SIS Board are the same folks who produce the research, you have probably never heard of almost anyone on the ASIPP Board (http://www.asipp.org/contact.html). That's because most are either Lax's cronies, or large contributors to the organization.

 

[bedrock]

Agree with ampa

APS is medication management

ASIPP is "how to get paid" , but mainly how to get paid if you own part of an ASC.

SIS(ISIS) is evidence-based interventional spine, research, courses, etc.

AAPM is a mix of APS and SIS with much more modest amount of procedural courses.

 

[Extralong]

Obviously it is clear that certain people on this forum are strong fans of certain organizations over others.
I like both SIS and ASIPP, and to be absolutely fair, ASIPP also has has cadaver and non-cadaver courses, does present research, has presentation on new and innovative materiel that's out, is a pro-pain advocacy group, has their own publication journal and deals with the financial aspect of pain medicine better then any group that I have attended.

FYI, if you are in the SIS camp, you will hate on ASIPP, and if you are in the ASIPP camp, you will dislike SIS. The two heads of the organizations absolutely dislike each other.

So before this forum becomes a pissing contest of which organization is better, lets pause.

And just in my opinion, I believe AAPM is great for primary care, non-pain trained specialists that end up doing pain medicine because of whatever reason; but pain specialists can benefit from many of their lectures/CME discussions. I think ASIPP and SIS are both excellent societies with their own strong points and are great tools for chronic pain specialists.

 

[oreosandsake]

it's like the bloods and the crips with you guys on this forum.

When I go to an ISIS meeting, and I have gone now 3 out of the past 5 years, I expect to learn. the presentations are on point, and excellent. You need a certain level of knowledge to even follow the arguments that they present. that said, it is the SPINE intervention society. the focus is on spine related pathology. Their board of directors is impressive, the speakers have been known to be dogmatic. I have trained under, or done research with many people strongly involved with SIS.

I know there's a lot of bad blood between the organizations. but take a closer look at the ASIPP board, and the brochure of speakers. pain management is a small field. the same 30 people fly all over the country doing all the talks. The next president of ASIPP was previously a board member of SIS, and is considered one of the best SIS course instructors ever. Dr Calodney still does SIS courses a few times a year. ASIPP has an impressive array of physicians on their board. http://www.asipp.org/contact.html there are multiple current/previous academic department chairs, fellowship directors on that list. You will see more academic pain doctors at the annual meeting than the people on this forum want to acknowledge.
The current President of ASIPP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Staats
I like ASIPP meetings. I do believe they are more open to new therapies in pain medicine (yes, including all the fancy new stimulation technology). they also get into the politics of medicine, practice management, responsible opioid prescribing. etc

APS - I will never go again. many PhDs, RN PhD, PT PhD. etc.

I like going to AAPM, because it takes the people out of their societies (ASRA, ASA, SIS, ASIPP, NANS) away from their bickering. But they have the same 4 tracks every year and hearing the same talks gets old as well.

this year I'll be at AAPM, ASRA, ASIPP, NYSIPP, CASIPP, CCF meeting, Napa Pain, and probably SIS, AAPMR, NANS. like someone said earlier, they all have their own flavor. If you leave your prejudices at the door, you can try to appreciate the meetings as they are presented.

 

[hyperalgesia]

Agree with ampa

APS is medication management

ASIPP is "how to get paid" , but mainly how to get paid if you own part of an ASC.

SIS(ISIS) is evidence-based interventional spine, research, courses, etc.

AAPM is a mix of APS and SIS with much more modest amount of procedural courses.

Nice summation.

 

[olafa]

"this year I'll be at AAPM, ASRA, ASIPP, NYSIPP, CASIPP, CCF meeting, Napa Pain, and probably SIS, AAPMR, NANS. like someone said earlier, they all have their own flavor. If you leave your prejudices at the door, you can try to appreciate the meetings as they are presented."

Thats a ton of conferences all in one yr! Do you use all your vacation time for that
FWIW I like SIS, Napa and CCF pain symposium as well. ASRA seemed ok, not fantastic. AAPMR sort of re-hashes same old topics for pain. NANS for stim specific topics, I have not been but hear its good for that. Always is NOV in Vegas, a very busy time in clinic so I have opted not to go

 

[oreosandsake]

"this year I'll be at AAPM, ASRA, ASIPP, NYSIPP, CASIPP, CCF meeting, Napa Pain, and probably SIS, AAPMR, NANS. like someone said earlier, they all have their own flavor. If you leave your prejudices at the door, you can try to appreciate the meetings as they are presented."

Thats a ton of conferences all in one yr! Do you use all your vacation time for that
FWIW I like SIS, Napa and CCF pain symposium as well. ASRA seemed ok, not fantastic. AAPMR sort of re-hashes same old topics for pain. NANS for stim specific topics, I have not been but hear its good for that. Always is NOV in Vegas, a very busy time in clinic so I have opted not to go

I do and I need to cut down. I am presenting at those meetings. the others are iffy since I am not. I go to NANS honestly to have fun. probably for the reason you mentioned, they have moved it for the first time, and will be in Janury 2017 at Ceasars

 

[ampaphb]

What are you presenting at SIS in July?

 

[lobelsteve]

Trick question. Amp is going to study the literature and ask annoying questions. I will just smile and dig at you later.

 

[oreosandsake]

The conferences i am for sure going to/went to are the first set. I may go to SIS, AAPMR, and NANS (new Orleans, new orleans, Las vegas!) to catch up with friends and study the local culture

Maybe meet some of you in person so I can put a face on my voodoo dolls. Kidding

 

[oreosandsake]

Meaning, I'm presenting at the first set. Bit not at sis, aapmr, nans

 

[lobelsteve]

Text me Wed. Game on.

 

[PinchandBurn]

it's like the bloods and the crips with you guys on this forum.

When I go to an ISIS meeting, and I have gone now 3 out of the past 5 years, I expect to learn. the presentations are on point, and excellent. You need a certain level of knowledge to even follow the arguments that they present. that said, it is the SPINE intervention society. the focus is on spine related pathology. Their board of directors is impressive, the speakers have been known to be dogmatic. I have trained under, or done research with many people strongly involved with SIS.

I know there's a lot of bad blood between the organizations. but take a closer look at the ASIPP board, and the brochure of speakers. pain management is a small field. the same 30 people fly all over the country doing all the talks. The next president of ASIPP was previously a board member of SIS, and is considered one of the best SIS course instructors ever. Dr Calodney still does SIS courses a few times a year. ASIPP has an impressive array of physicians on their board. http://www.asipp.org/contact.html there are multiple current/previous academic department chairs, fellowship directors on that list. You will see more academic pain doctors at the annual meeting than the people on this forum want to acknowledge.
The current President of ASIPP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Staats
I like ASIPP meetings. I do believe they are more open to new therapies in pain medicine (yes, including all the fancy new stimulation technology). they also get into the politics of medicine, practice management, responsible opioid prescribing. etc

APS - I will never go again. many PhDs, RN PhD, PT PhD. etc.

I like going to AAPM, because it takes the people out of their societies (ASRA, ASA, SIS, ASIPP, NANS) away from their bickering. But they have the same 4 tracks every year and hearing the same talks gets old as well.

this year I'll be at AAPM, ASRA, ASIPP, NYSIPP, CASIPP, CCF meeting, Napa Pain, and probably SIS, AAPMR, NANS. like someone said earlier, they all have their own flavor. If you leave your prejudices at the door, you can try to appreciate the meetings as they are presented.

great points.

I think ASRA (fall, pain meeting) is certainly an academic meeting as well. Nowadays, there's so much cross over between the lecturers in the Societies. I've never been to a SIS meeting, just to one of their cadaver courses. It's definitely on my 'to do' list.

 

[SSdoc33]

my wife would cut off my nutsack if i went to all those conferences. in other news, im not sure i still have a nutsack.

FWIW, SIS is the highest yield and most relevant to most of what we do out of any of the conferences

 

[drpainfree]

just saw SIS ASM brochure, looks good. Thinking I will go to both (ASIPP and ISIS), but it'd be a luxury, not sure I can afford.

Been to NAS, ASRA, SPPM, want to find out how they compare to ASIPP and ISIS