Are dentists really stupid in the States?

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The ice fishing joke can always be taken in good fun, but the Celin Dion thing went too far man. Who else do you think drives us to drink as much beer as we do. Thing is, we only have one radio station here, and it plays that song from the Titanic soundtrack 24/7. Please continue to pay her millions to perform in Vegas.

Anyways as far as debt and earnings go, from what I gather American graduates earn about the same in American currency, therefore early earning potential is better in the US (not to mention our checks are only redeemable in Salmon & Lumber). Thus If students are acruing debts of $500 000 Can (ouch) I would think it in their best interest to work in the US for a while if possible.

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as new york blows said:

WHO CARES? You all can worry about who is smarter (US or Canadians)... me, I got other stuff to worry about.
 
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Streethawk- Thanks for having a sense of humor about the ice fishing.

For all the others who freaked out over it, I was just joking around. Good luck dealing with life (and dental school) if you can't laugh about things. I apologize if the comments were out of context or offended people but they were meant in jest. Obviously there is more to Canada than what I said. Tough crowd! From my experience, most of my professional classmates are not above joking around every now and then. With the way dental school can be, laughing can be your best friend.
 
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lets not forget that dentistry in U.S. was for years known as a profession that you would gain by mainly practicing it (hence, the whole "dentists are not doctors" saying crap). this belief still holds the back bone of dental education in many countries. so where does the GPA come into play??

we already know that most patients dont even know (or care) where their dentist gained their degree from.... talk less about their GPA and DAT scores. i trust my dentist b/c he knowes his stuff, has practiced dentistry for over 35 years, and is a very caring individual. so, again, where does the GPA come into play? its simply a way of creating a barrier so that only a fraction of interested parties would enter the school.

Comet!
 
I do care where my dentist graduated from? I even asked her board scores....How did she do in her CA board etc......Just to tell u, one day weirdo does run into your office.....

I ask all of my dentist, doctor.....etc
 
Hey I noticed that in the US alot of people gain acceptance with 3.0 GPA's and even less. 3.5 is considered stellar. This is baffling


In Canada a 3.7-3.8 is needed just to get an interview. I suppose the dentists in the US are pretty stupid relatively speaking. I would personally be scared to get treatment in the US with dentists possessing such low qualifications.

Despite these bottom of the barrel scores needed to get into Dental school, there are still some people who can't even score a measley 3.1-3.5. What is going on down there?
um.... are you aware of the ridiculous grade inflation that occurs in canada? (for those americans unaware, all you need is an 80% to get an A in Canada... at my university you needed a 94+ to get that 4.0 A grade). Yeah we don't have that... well some ****ty little schools here do but for the most part nope.
 
I'm Canadian and this thread made me cringe lol . I really hope the OP was just joking / trolling
 
The fact that people like this actually exist, and that they are our colleagues, literally baffles me
 
um.... are you aware of the ridiculous grade inflation that occurs in canada? (for those americans unaware, all you need is an 80% to get an A in Canada... at my university you needed a 94+ to get that 4.0 A grade). Yeah we don't have that... well some ****ty little schools here do but for the most part nope.

Do you even study in Canada?! I am in a Canadian University and you need a minimum of 90% to be getting an A, it's only more competitive in non- science faculties. We have a 4.3 system. At least have the decency to get your facts straight before comments about another education system.
 
Do you even study in Canada?! I am in a Canadian University and you need a minimum of 90% to be getting an A, it's only more competitive in non- science faculties. We have a 4.3 system. At least have the decency to get your facts straight before comments about another education system.
LOL you need a 90 for an A+. An 80 is an A in Canada: http://www.foreigncredits.com/Resources/GPA-Calculator/Canada

And thats without any institutional grade inflation even (additional curves on exams, etc)
 
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OP probably died of old age by now. no use in responding lol.
 
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Sounds like someone is a little jealous of the Olympic medal count.
 
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Actually you need between a 95% to a 98% to get an A+. Not everything on the internet is true.
Which Canadian uni? I studied at UBC for a semester and an A- equivalent is 80-84%. Pretty sure they have their entire scale posted online and it sure as hell isn't 95+ for an A+ lol. Not to mention the 4.3 system. Anyway, I doubt students from Canada and the US are of significantly different caliber. Just something to do with converting the scales and the low # of dental schools in Canada allowing them to select a very limited range of GPAs.
 
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Which Canadian uni? I studied at UBC for a semester and an A- equivalent is 80-84%. Pretty sure they have their entire scale posted online and it sure as hell isn't 95+ for an A+ lol. Not to mention the 4.3 system. Anyway, I doubt students from Canada and the US are of significantly different caliber. Just something to do with converting the scales and the low # of dental schools in Canada allowing them to select a very limited range of GPAs.
SFU, we have a 4.33 system. We need about 95% to get an A+. Canada is competitive because of a small availability of seats,that's all.
 
Sounds like someone is a little jealous of the Olympic medal count.

Between our swimmers' behavior and now the 4x100 men's relay disqualification, the US record is starting to stumble.
 
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Between our swimmers' behavior and now the 4x100 men's relay disqualification, the US record is starting to stumble.
Lochte's an idiot. A little while back he had a reality show that was cancelled because he was THAT big of a tool. I'm sure there are videos of it online somewhere.
 
Which Canadian uni? I studied at UBC for a semester and an A- equivalent is 80-84%. Pretty sure they have their entire scale posted online and it sure as hell isn't 95+ for an A+ lol. Not to mention the 4.3 system. Anyway, I doubt students from Canada and the US are of significantly different caliber. Just something to do with converting the scales and the low # of dental schools in Canada allowing them to select a very limited range of GPAs.

SFU, we have a 4.33 system. We need about 95% to get an A+. Canada is competitive because of a small availability of seats,that's all.
The number of seats available has nothing to do with the degree of competitiveness. The number of seats available in Canada is on par with it's population. Competitiveness is a function of the ratio of applicants to enrollees. The grading systems of the two countries are considerably different. With an exception here and there, all US dental schools consider all of the academic records of the applicant and do not selectively drop say the first 2 years of college.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/2011-canadia-ds-gpa-dat.907493/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...pla-over-high-admission-stats-part-ii.910566/
 
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The number of seats available has nothing to do with the degree of competitiveness. The number of seats available in Canada is on par with it's population. Competitiveness is a function of the ratio of applicants to enrollees. The grading systems of the two countries are considerably different. With an exception here and there, all US dental schools consider all of the academic records of the applicant and do not selectively drop say the first 2 years of college.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/2011-canadia-ds-gpa-dat.907493/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...pla-over-high-admission-stats-part-ii.910566/
Number of seats available = Enrollees
 
Actually you need between a 95% to a 98% to get an A+. Not everything on the internet is true.
Is that right? I think it's just your university. Most universities apparently award an A percentages as low as 83% and as high as 90%. In the US, it's the same across the board. 90% is always and A-.

Straight from the UNBC website bra...
 

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Is that right? I think it's just your university. Most universities apparently award an A percentages as low as 83% and as high as 90%. In the US, it's the same across the board. 90% is always and A-.

Straight from the UNBC website bra...
Here's the "updated scoring GPA rubric" post 2005
 

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The number of seats available has nothing to do with the degree of competitiveness. The number of seats available in Canada is on par with it's population. Competitiveness is a function of the ratio of applicants to enrollees. The grading systems of the two countries are considerably different. With an exception here and there, all US dental schools consider all of the academic records of the applicant and do not selectively drop say the first 2 years of college.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/2011-canadia-ds-gpa-dat.907493/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...pla-over-high-admission-stats-part-ii.910566/
You are forgetting, that Canada accepts about 250 000 immigrants each year. Amount of foreign trained dentists among them is horrifying. Canada was forced to open the Qualifying Process to ease the tension, because of the level of competitiveness for both IDP and regular dental programs
 
I was 9 years old when this thread was made... now 22...lol.
 
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Is that right? I think it's just your university. Most universities apparently award an A percentages as low as 83% and as high as 90%. In the US, it's the same across the board. 90% is always and A-.

Straight from the UNBC website bra...
Don't think that Canada is the same all around. Every part of the country is slightly different. The east coast is much more like the US than the west coast for many things. UBC has a very lax grading scheme compared to my university, but I know for a fact that even that standard grading scheme fluctuates depending of faculty. I believe thats why they don't deal in GPA for Dental acceptances, they prefer raw percentages.
 
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Don't think that Canada is the same all around. Every part of the country is slightly different. The east coast is much more like the US than the west coast for many things. UBC has a very lax grading scheme compared to my university, but I know for a fact that even that standard grading scheme fluctuates depending of faculty. I believe thats why they don't deal in GPA for Dental acceptances, they prefer raw percentages.
True, not all universities in Canada grade the same but amongst the top universities, it's pretty similar. Look at University of Toronto, which is on the eastern part of Canada and the most prestigious university in all of Canada....
 

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The number of seats available has nothing to do with the degree of competitiveness. The number of seats available in Canada is on par with it's population. Competitiveness is a function of the ratio of applicants to enrollees. The grading systems of the two countries are considerably different. With an exception here and there, all US dental schools consider all of the academic records of the applicant and do not selectively drop say the first 2 years of college.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/2011-canadia-ds-gpa-dat.907493/
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...pla-over-high-admission-stats-part-ii.910566/

~500 seats in a country population of 35m vs. ~5900 seats with US population of 319m. It's almost 4:3 more seats for US. Not significant, but the difference is there.
If that's the definition of competitiveness, that term might not be the right one for the argument. For example, the average GPA of applicants at the University of Toronto is around 3.7 with the acceptance average GPA of 3.9. Students not even close to 3.9 don't even try. I'm saying barely any students with <3.5 's apply. Many Canadian school applicant GPAs range 3.6-3.7.
Of course grading systems are different from school to school, and even faculties and professors. There aren't however enough evidence to say that grading systems as whole countries are different between US and Canada. Schools, faculties and even professors may have their own systems. Generally however, undergrad grading systems follow the average grade of B- (or C+ or B) and one standard deviation equate to one grade up or down. (Sorry I suck at explaining this) So 1 SD above the average would be A- and 1SD below would be C-. B, B+, C+ and C would fall in between, and so on for other grades. Even in absolute grading system, this proportion is somewhat aimed. I am not saying this is strictly followed in every school, but please know this is how many grading systems are set up. A 95% or 80% being A+ might mean something, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Don't forget about the difficulties of the exams! Most instructors have average grades in mind when they write exams.

Aside from the number of seats available, there are other reasons to such high average GPA for Canadian schools. I want to bring up two that I think affects this. One is the difference in the healthcare system between the two countries, where Canadian physicians work publicly. This does cause a little bit of more popularity in dentistry as many of us have strong desire for private practice and money. I didn't check every statistics, but average acceptance GPAs for Canadian medical schools are lower than ones of dental schools, perhaps not a significant difference from US medical schools. To my knowledge, average acceptance GPAs for US medical schools are usually higher than the GPAs of dental schools.
The application process could also affect such GPA for Canadian schools. US dental schools have a very nice system to show to the committees who you really are aside the numbers. Things are different for Canadian schools. There are schools that ask for reference letters, extracurricular activities, etc., GPA and DAT are weighted very strongly. For example, for the University of Alberta, all they look at are GPA, DAT and interview scores. This, I do not agree with the Canadian system, but it's how it is.

This is my understanding to this whole argument. I don't think one is better than the other, but let's all be friends and stop fighting!
 
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~500 seats in a country population of 35m vs. ~5900 seats with US population of 319m. It's almost 4:3 more seats for US. Not significant, but the difference is there.
If that's the definition of competitiveness, that term might not be the right one for the argument. For example, the average GPA of applicants at the University of Toronto is around 3.7 with the acceptance average GPA of 3.9. Students not even close to 3.9 don't even try. I'm saying barely any students with <3.5 's apply. Many Canadian school applicant GPAs range 3.6-3.7.
Of course grading systems are different from school to school, and even faculties and professors. There aren't however enough evidence to say that grading systems as whole countries are different between US and Canada. Schools, faculties and even professors may have their own systems. Generally however, undergrad grading systems follow the average grade of B- (or C+ or B) and one standard deviation equate to one grade up or down. (Sorry I suck at explaining this) So 1 SD above the average would be A- and 1SD below would be C-. B, B+, C+ and C would fall in between, and so on for other grades. Even in absolute grading system, this proportion is somewhat aimed. I am not saying this is strictly followed in every school, but please know this is how many grading systems are set up. A 95% or 80% being A+ might mean something, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Don't forget about the difficulties of the exams! Most instructors have average grades in mind when they write exams.

Aside from the number of seats available, there are other reasons to such high average GPA for Canadian schools. I want to bring up two that I think affects this. One is the difference in the healthcare system between the two countries, where Canadian physicians work publicly. This does cause a little bit of more popularity in dentistry as many of us have strong desire for private practice and money. I didn't check every statistics, but average acceptance GPAs for Canadian medical schools are lower than ones of dental schools, perhaps not a significant difference from US medical schools. To my knowledge, average acceptance GPAs for US medical schools are usually higher than the GPAs of dental schools.
The application process could also affect such GPA for Canadian schools. US dental schools have a very nice system to show to the committees who you really are aside the numbers. Things are different for Canadian schools. There are schools that ask for reference letters, extracurricular activities, etc., GPA and DAT are weighted very strongly. For example, for the University of Alberta, all they look at are GPA, DAT and interview scores. This, I do not agree with the Canadian system, but it's how it is.

This is my understanding to this whole argument. I don't think one is better than the other, but let's all be friends and stop fighting!
Very good explanation. I have to admit, your last sentence was quite "Canadian," eh? J/K.
But seriously though, I think it's worth mentioning that of that 5900, how many of those seats are filled by Canadians?
 
Very good explanation. I have to admit, your last sentence was quite "Canadian," eh? J/K.
But seriously though, I think it's worth mentioning that of that 5900, how many of those seats are filled by Canadians?

You're right! That would need to be considered as a portion of those US seats are definitely taken by Canadians, and same goes for Australian dental schools. However, don't forget that basically all students prefer Canadian schools due to financial reasons (tuition would be more than twice to go across the border). Thus lower GPA/DAT students go abroad to study dentistry. Of course there are some who choose to go US schools for perhaps more opportunities. I know that NYU and UDM (maybe more) accept a "considerable" amount of Canadians, and other schools accept a small fraction but mostly none.

Oh, and forgot to mention that I only know one school that look at best two years, so their average acceptance GPA is 4.0, which I think is ridiculous! but most other schools look at every GPA in post-secondary.
 
Are Dentists stupid? No.

Are they greedy? Yeah, usually. I've yet to meet one who could explain how they deserve to push for primary healthcare importance while making specialist physician money.
 
The amount of people who took this troll bait hook line and sinker is pretty impressive. Good job OP.
 
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I admit both US and Canadian grads into the residency program I direct. No discernible difference in clinical abilities or didactic knowledge.
 
This thread is old as hell, who brought this up?
 
in B4 closing!

Seriously, as novel as a 13 year old necrobump is, there's no reason to dredge up an old trolling thread.
 
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