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Just asking because I am curious, both are super-competitive fields.
I guess, but I like my term betterDo you mean gunners?
I'm sorry for your friend, but that sounds like a classic premed story. High school valedictorian gets accepted to top college with the goal of going to Harvard Medical School. Thinks premed will be easy. Get's a 2.0 the first year.I have a good friend who had a LizzyM of 78, did dermatology research in Beverly Hills, and was accepted to a top medical school in NYC last year with the dream of opening a dermatology clinic in the upper east side. He is now the in bottom quartile of his class and, when I spoke to him last, he mentioned that if he can squeeze into an IM program in the city he's going to kiss the floor he walks on every day of his residency.
It's actually a pretty typical story in medical school- everyone and their mother wants to do derm or ortho until they get their Step 1 score backI'm sorry for your friend, but that sounds like a classic premed story. High school valedictorian gets accepted to top college with the goal of going to Harvard Medical School. Thinks premed will be easy. Get's a 2.0 the first year.
Depends on who you are talking about. The ones who are actually pre-derms are the snipers. They come out of nowhere and take you down. The ones who say they are interested in derm in first year end up in primary care
That's the hard nut for many in med school -- pretty much everybody there previously got good grades, mostly A's and B's, but about half of them are now going to be below average in med school. People get shocked to learn that they were only A students when surrounded by more average gentlemens C types in college, but against real competition they aren't all that. Most of the people I know who struggled in med school went in thinking they were "in the drivers seat" in terms of specialty, before learning they were more in the "road kill" pile.It's actually a pretty typical story in medical school- everyone and their mother wants to do derm or ortho until they get their Step 1 score back
Considering this apparent over-estimation of one's own capabilities that is inherent to self-bias, what's the best way to prevent yourself from being shell-shocked by the "big leagues" of medical school? Is it simply to become comfortable with whatever level of achievement you're capable of?
Not true, I would never apply to derm/ortho. I am lazy, but not too lazy. But I am essentially high functioning lazy. Also, I want the freedom to move anywhere in the country where I want.It's actually a pretty typical story in medical school- everyone and their mother wants to do derm or ortho until they get their Step 1 score back
I'm sorry for your friend, but that sounds like a classic premed story. High school valedictorian gets accepted to top college with the goal of going to Harvard Medical School. Thinks premed will be easy. Get's a 2.0 the first year.
It's actually a pretty typical story in medical school- everyone and their mother wants to do derm or ortho until they get their Step 1 score back
That's one approach I suppose...My guess: Learn how to fail as early as possible ...
It wasn't meant to be taken literally. Couldn't pay me enough to do either job. But dermatologists work their butts off, they're hardly lazy.Not true, I would never apply to derm/ortho. I am lazy, but not too lazy. But I am essentially high functioning lazy. Also, I want the freedom to move anywhere in the country where I want.
I was just about to say the same thing. The only thing OP is gunning for right now is infamy.Another riveting question
Simple. Don't let your head swell. Run scared. You've accomplished nothing yet, and maybe never will against this higher level of competition -- take the attitude that you'll have to earn everything you are going to get.Considering this apparent over-estimation of one's own capabilities that is inherent to self-bias, what's the best way to prevent yourself from being shell-shocked by the "big leagues" of medical school? Is it simply to become comfortable with whatever level of achievement you're capable of?
I see myself more as a political commentator/some random guy who says the first thing that pops into his head. I also see myself as the voice of the people.I was just about to say the same thing. The only thing OP is gunning for right now is infamy.
I was just about to say the same thing. The only thing OP is gunning for right now is infamy.
I see myself more as a political commentator/some random guy who says the first thing that pops into his head. I also see myself as the voice of the people.
Thanks for making me almost choke on a bagel!
****, my cover is blown. Anyway, Trump 2016!! Make America great again.
I see myself more as a political commentator/some random guy who says the first thing that pops into his head. I also see myself as the voice of the people.
Shut up, Farva.Just asking because I am curious, both are super-competitive fields.
Simple. Don't let your head swell. Run scared. You've accomplished nothing yet, and maybe never will against this higher level of competition -- take the attitude that you'll have to earn everything you are going to get.
Anyone can hit a fast ball in little league because you aren't exactly facing off against Nolan Ryan. Look at college the same way -- little league. you might be really good or not but you sure haven't proven anything yet.
Woahhhhh, @Lost in Translation coming in hot right now. Take it easy buddy.I wasn't going to comment but this... WOOOOOOOOOW. No one gives a **** that you got accepted to a Top 10 school. No one gives a **** about your cringey "pre derm pre ortho = pre med of med" terminology. No one gives a **** about your concern that mid tier schools exercise yield protection. No one gives a **** about your CS background. And no one asked you to speak for them. If you want to be random, The Lounge is right over there.
This is the greatest thing ever. I will be going to my favorite restaurant over the weekend, I think you know the place.Shut up, Farva.
Also, I swear to God I'll pistol whip the next guy who says "Shenanigans."
The way I see it (using the MCAT as an example), it's like taking the people who scored in the top 30-40% of the MCAT and then having them compete against each other. Suddenly you've halved the people, and everyone still thinks they're capable of being in the top 95% because they've always been there, but instead of being the 6th best student out of a hundred, they're the six best student out of 50, and only at 90%.Simple. Don't let your head swell. Run scared. You've accomplished nothing yet, and maybe never will against this higher level of competition -- take the attitude that you'll have to earn everything you are going to get.
Anyone can hit a fast ball in little league because you aren't exactly facing off against Nolan Ryan. Look at college the same way -- little league. you might be really good or not but you sure haven't proven anything yet.
I agree with @Lost in Translation. Every day there's new crap being posted by you with absolutely zero substance. It's like opening my email box to spam that wasn't filtered.I wasn't going to comment but this... WOOOOOOOOOW. No one gives a **** that you got accepted to a Top 10 school. No one gives a **** about your cringey "pre derm pre ortho = pre med of med" terminology. No one gives a **** about your concern that mid tier schools exercise yield protection. No one gives a **** about your CS background. And no one asked you to speak for them. If you want to be random, The Lounge is right over there.
Or maybe the 50th best person out of that 50, and just happened to have a good day previously. The guy who is the bottom of his class in med school probably did very well in college. If you think you'll still be "6th best" you aren't quite getting my point.The way I see it (using the MCAT as an example), it's like taking the people who scored in the top 30-40% of the MCAT and then having them compete against each other. Suddenly you've halved the people, and everyone still thinks they're capable of being in the top 95% because they've always been there, but instead of being the 6th best student out of a hundred, they're the six best student out of 50, and only at 90%.
Someone has had it with @Officer Farva ! (And I don't think @Lost in Translation is the only one!)I wasn't going to comment but this... WOOOOOOOOOW. No one gives a **** that you got accepted to a Top 10 school. No one gives a **** about your cringey "pre derm pre ortho = pre med of med" terminology. No one gives a **** about your concern that mid tier schools exercise yield protection. No one gives a **** about your CS background. And no one asked you to speak for them. If you want to be random, The Lounge is right over there.
Someone has had it with @Officer Farva ! (And I don't think @Lost in Translation is the only one!)
Haters gonna hate.I agree with @Lost in Translation. Every day there's new crap being posted by you with absolutely zero substance. It's like opening my email box to spam that wasn't filtered.
/endrant
Yes I apologize I went for an abstract answer. Just like any standardized test the MCAT is no different in that there is a huge variability in the possibility of your score from you having a bad day or other reasons. Just because you were in the top 5% on your MCAT doesn't automatically give you the ability to stay there (unlike my quote suggested), but it just means you did well on a test. And who knows maybe you work in a research lab that focuses on immunology and you got two passages on immuno on your MCAT so you crushed it, vs. the guy who works in a physics lab that studies electromagnetics who got no passages on the MCAT and didn't do as well. All the stats and EC's in the world only get you so far, and are indicative of your ability to have success at the previous level-once you get into medical school, all bets are off. I think thats more-so what your point was. Everyone thinks based on success at the previous level that coming in that they are going to be Peyton Manning, but the Ryan Leaf's of the world still exist.Or maybe the 50th best person out of that 50, and just happened to have a good day previously. The guy who is the bottom of his class in med school probably did very well in college. If you think you'll still be "6th best" you aren't quite getting my point.
Shut up, Farva.
Also, I swear to God I'll pistol whip the next guy who says "Shenanigans."
You mean Shenanigans?Hey Farva, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy **** on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?
edit - whoa SDN censored my post!
Do you mean gunners?
Just asking because I am curious, both are super-competitive fields.
Shut up, Farva.
Also, I swear to God I'll pistol whip the next guy who says "Shenanigans."
You mean Shenanigans?
... Everyone thinks based on success at the previous level that coming in that they are going to be Peyton Manning, but the Ryan Leaf's of the world still exist.
Careful now, you've published a surprising amount of personal data on your account, it wouldn't be that hard for an adcom to identify you honestly. You are not as anonymous as you think.Haters gonna hate.
To make things even more interesting, a lot of times you can't tell the difference between the Schulers and the Frerottes. Some of the most confident people you will meet end up being Schulers, and you would never guess that despite their front, they are really struggling. Then there are always the Frerottes that fly under the radar, working hard and scoring top in the class. You would never guess by talking to these people that they are raising the curve.Ok if you like football analogies better than my baseball one -- med school is 90% people who think they are Peyton Manning but most of them are Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, Heath Schuler. Heath Schuler is probably the best example because he showed up thinking he was hot stuff -- a Heisman QB thought most ready to perform at the NFL level and be the franchise QB for DC for years to come, but ended up getting schooled by Gus Frerotte, a late round pickup nobody who stole his job. Expect to meet a lot of Frerottes in med school.
Except as a 6th round pick you might be kind of lucky to get into med school in the first place these days, and Brady's career only took off because a Jet defender destroyed Drew Bledsoe. But your point that he was presumably humbled by every team passing on him at least 5 times is a good one.So the secret is to be Tom Brady. Sixth round medical school draft pick = 4x Superbowl Champion.
All of my comments have been light-hearted, opinions (I guess they came off kind of strong), and conversational. I never engaged on any personal attacks on anyone. I never argued with anyone on this site.Careful now, you've published a surprising amount of personal data on your account, it wouldn't be that hard for an adcom to identify you honestly. You are not as anonymous as you think.
While I like the bumper sticker quality of the above statement I think you picked a guy still in the top 50% of QBs, so that's not quite the right analogy. It would be better if you said nobody goes into med school thinking they will be Mark Sanchez, or Colt McCoy etc.... nobody goes into medical school thinking theyll be Alex Smith...