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For the scholarship, do you have to attend training during dental school?
You do...sorta. It depends if your school has time during the summer. If not, you still get the extra pay, but you have to provide documentation from the school that you go year round.

Otherwise, it is nice to go to an Army installation for a few weeks and check it out.

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How are woman dentists treated in the military? I heard they don't get the respect deserve just because they are the minority, is this true?
 
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Hello, I was wondering if there is a minimum GPA (2.0, 3.0, etc) that must be maintained in dental school in order to keep the HPSP scholarship with the Army? Or as long as you don't fail out of school completely, you will still have it?
As long as you don't fail you are fine. If you are put on academic probation, or have to repeat a year...that is where you will likely lose the scholarship and have some problems.
 
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I'm really interested in becoming an army dentist and serve for 4 years and then receive the financial benefits for it but I heard one of the first requirements is that we have to be a US citizen. Is this a really strict requirement and I absolutely will not be accepted if I'm only a permanent resident right now? I have been in the US for 9 years now and only recently (last January) received my Green card so I know that I won't be getting my citizenship anytime soon. Are there any military service opportunities with financial benefits for people like me? Or, if not right now, are there options for when I graduate (during which I should be able to receive citizenship finally) where I can serve in the military and have them pay for my dental education?
 
I'm really interested in becoming an army dentist and serve for 4 years and then receive the financial benefits for it but I heard one of the first requirements is that we have to be a US citizen. Is this a really strict requirement and I absolutely will not be accepted if I'm only a permanent resident right now? I have been in the US for 9 years now and only recently (last January) received my Green card so I know that I won't be getting my citizenship anytime soon. Are there any military service opportunities with financial benefits for people like me? Or, if not right now, are there options for when I graduate (during which I should be able to receive citizenship finally) where I can serve in the military and have them pay for my dental education?

I believe you can qualify for loan repayment as a reservist, but you have to be a US citizen for HPSP
 
I feel like I am able to make the best out of any situation, so I am not too concerned about what might happen living in debt or living as a soldier. I would like to know of any regrets a military dentist has experienced (i.e. if they would choose to do it all over again or not)? Looking back on their life, family, peers, dental school classmates, do you feel that it was worth the sacrifice? Do you ever feel like you missed out or got left behind? I know many pros and cons, but do you feel the pros were worth it? It is hard coming up with a motivational statement for the military when I am having these thoughts...
 
There are so many posts dating several years back, I am just hoping for a more present opinion on this matter. Times have changed. How are military dentist enjoying their time in this decade?
 
I feel like I am able to make the best out of any situation, so I am not too concerned about what might happen living in debt or living as a soldier. I would like to know of any regrets a military dentist has experienced (i.e. if they would choose to do it all over again or not)? Looking back on their life, family, peers, dental school classmates, do you feel that it was worth the sacrifice? Do you ever feel like you missed out or got left behind? I know many pros and cons, but do you feel the pros were worth it? It is hard coming up with a motivational statement for the military when I am having these thoughts...

Having recently graduated, I believe I can speak to the impact you mention about family, life, peers, etc. The last few months of dental school were extremely stressful for many of my classmates who were job searching. Being in the Army I didn't have to worry about any of that. I was debt-free, collecting a paycheck during school, knew my job plans for the next several years, and didn't have to worry about paying to move myself across country to a residency program or job (instead I got paid handsomely for the move).

Since members of the military have a limited ability to dictate exactly where they'll be stationed, being in the Army isn't much different from what my debt-laden classmates experienced. In fact, one could reasonably argue that the Army was the better path because many classmates accepted positions in rural communities where they never had previously lived (talk about culture shock to not even be able to go to WalMart or Target). At least with the Army you have a community of your own with reasonable access to excellent amenities (e.g., the commissary and the exchange), even if you move a couple of times.

If you're worried about "getting left behind" from a skills standpoint, don't be. While your scope of practice is limited straight out of school (for good reason), it (1) depends on which base you are assigned, and (2) will be mitigated if you take advantage of the specialty or advanced training programs. Those programs "credential" you to do more procedures. Being in the Army allows you to work on your skill and speed while many classmates will be getting paid a commission and feel like they must produce to cover student loans, insurances, office overhead, etc. I've found that Army dentistry has upsides that far outweigh the quirky downsides. Heck, even my current clinic hours prevent me from getting stuck in traffic everyday. Plus, for the kind of debt my classmates amassed, it would take them $8-10K per month of loan payments for four years to get out of debt… and much more (at the current 6.9 or 7.9% interest rates for graduate loans) should they pay it off slower. To me the Army was a no-brainer. Many of my classmates by the 3rd or 4th year expressed regret that they didn't go that route, presumably because of the $700 in interest alone they were beginning to amass every 10 days.
 
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Does doing a residency with the Army adds payback time or does it count as neutral! For example, if I do a 4 year HPSP and then do a 3 year residency then, do I have to payback 7 years or just 4 years AFTER finishing my residency?!?
 
It depends on when you do the residency. If you get into a residency soon after graduation then your HPSP and payback for residency will be concurrent. If you do not get accepted into residency until you have been in the Army for a few years, you will have already paid back part of your HPSP obligation and you will still have to pay back the residency.

Example A: 4 yr HPSP + 3 yr Perio residency. Accepted into perio residency during 4th yr of dental school and will begin the program 1 yr following graduation (which is usually the soonest you will begin). This individual will "snow bird" for 1 year completing the 1st year of their HPSP payback. The next 3 yrs of residency will not count towards any payback. At this point the individual will have a total of 4 yrs in the Army. They will then commence to pay back the 3 yr obligation for the perio program as well as the remaining 3 yrs of their HPSP contract. Their obligation will be done and they will be eligible for the multi year retention bonuses or to get out at a total of 7 yrs in the Army.

Example B: A 4 yr HPSP student applies for perio several years in a row, and is finally accepted to begin the perio program after their 3rd year in the Army. At this point they have already paid back 3 yrs of their HPSP and only have 1 yr remaining. They complete the 3 yr residency which is neutral, and this brings their total time in the Army to 6 yrs. They will then commence paying back their 3 yr residency payback as well as their 1 yr of HPSP that remains concurrently. They will be done with their obligation at 9 yrs.

Note neither of these scenarious apply if someone comes in as a direct accession. Direct accessions have their payback served consecutively and not concurrently.
 
It depends on when you do the residency. If you get into a residency soon after graduation then your HPSP and payback for residency will be concurrent. If you do not get accepted into residency until you have been in the Army for a few years, you will have already paid back part of your HPSP obligation and you will still have to pay back the residency.

Example A: 4 yr HPSP + 3 yr Perio residency. Accepted into perio residency during 4th yr of dental school and will begin the program 1 yr following graduation (which is usually the soonest you will begin). This individual will "snow bird" for 1 year completing the 1st year of their HPSP payback. The next 3 yrs of residency will not count towards any payback. At this point the individual will have a total of 4 yrs in the Army. They will then commence to pay back the 3 yr obligation for the perio program as well as the remaining 3 yrs of their HPSP contract. Their obligation will be done and they will be eligible for the multi year retention bonuses or to get out at a total of 7 yrs in the Army.

Example B: A 4 yr HPSP student applies for perio several years in a row, and is finally accepted to begin the perio program after their 3rd year in the Army. At this point they have already paid back 3 yrs of their HPSP and only have 1 yr remaining. They complete the 3 yr residency which is neutral, and this brings their total time in the Army to 6 yrs. They will then commence paying back their 3 yr residency payback as well as their 1 yr of HPSP that remains concurrently. They will be done with their obligation at 9 yrs.

Note neither of these scenarious apply if someone comes in as a direct accession. Direct accessions have their payback served consecutively and not concurrently.


That depends on what bonuses they take when they come in as a direct accession. If they don't take any...then they just do the residency and pay back the obligation.

The rules are also changed if they do the residency in a civilian program, as those are offered in the military in certain circumstances, such as ortho. If you do a civilian program, it is consecutive and not concurrent.
 
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Hello!

I am a 3rd year dental student at Nova and have a few questions that I would like to ask again as it gets closer to being an Army dentist!! (so excited!!)

1) When/how do we apply to AEGD programs and do you recommend these programs?
2) When/how do we request where we would like to be stationed/ or when are we told where we are stationed
3) What do I need to do to be competitive for an AEGD?
4) In which cases are spouses/family allowed to come with you on assignments?
5) Any other advice you have for me?

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Hello!

I am a 3rd year dental student at Nova and have a few questions that I would like to ask again as it gets closer to being an Army dentist!! (so excited!!)

1) When/how do we apply to AEGD programs and do you recommend these programs?
I am not sure on the timeline, but you will receive the information.
2) When/how do we request where we would like to be stationed/ or when are we told where we are stationed
That will be sent out in the next few months.
3) What do I need to do to be competitive for an AEGD?
Good Grades, class rank, letters of rec.
4) In which cases are spouses/family allowed to come with you on assignments?
Almost all assignments.
5) Any other advice you have for me?
Have fun!

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Hi,
Is it really too late for me to apply for Army HPSP this year? I just about finished my AMEDD app and already have LORs, but when I told a recruiter in Sacramento (over the phone yesterday, I live in Modesto 1.5 hrs away) that I had surgery on a broken forearm when I was 9 (pin inserted and removed after healing), he said something like I would be disqualified two different times and he would have to make a special request and after all of this, it would be too late for this year. I don't understand how I could be disqualified by a broken arm 15 years ago, since it's not holding be back from anything (I know I can lift heavier and am in better shape than the avg guy). He said I should talk to a Navy recruiter in hopes that their boards are later or wait for the 3-year scholarship.
This is the first time I spoke with the Sac recruiter because I was initially helped by a recruiter I met at my USC interview on Oct. 7th, and he said he would work stuff out so I could do my physical at the closer Sac station, who just contacted me yesterday.
Thanks for any help.
 
Hi,
Is it really too late for me to apply for Army HPSP this year? I just about finished my AMEDD app and already have LORs, but when I told a recruiter in Sacramento (over the phone yesterday, I live in Modesto 1.5 hrs away) that I had surgery on a broken forearm when I was 9 (pin inserted and removed after healing), he said something like I would be disqualified two different times and he would have to make a special request and after all of this, it would be too late for this year. I don't understand how I could be disqualified by a broken arm 15 years ago, since it's not holding be back from anything (I know I can lift heavier and am in better shape than the avg guy). He said I should talk to a Navy recruiter in hopes that their boards are later or wait for the 3-year scholarship.
This is the first time I spoke with the Sac recruiter because I was initially helped by a recruiter I met at my USC interview on Oct. 7th, and he said he would work stuff out so I could do my physical at the closer Sac station, who just contacted me yesterday.
Thanks for any help.


Send me a PM. I may be able to get you in touch with some others that may help.
 
I'm a college freshman and want to eventually become a career dentist (possibly a specialist) in the military through HPSP.

Is there any benefit to doing Army ROTC for my desired career path? The ROTC battalion at my school seems like something I'd be really interested in, especially if I could get a 2 or 3 year scholarship, though paying for school is not a problem. How does the whole thing play out when doing ROTC during undergrad and then moving onto HPSP for dental school? Would it be better just to go through the normal HPSP process without ROTC?
 
I'm a college freshman and want to eventually become a career dentist (possibly a specialist) in the military through HPSP.

Is there any benefit to doing Army ROTC for my desired career path? The ROTC battalion at my school seems like something I'd be really interested in, especially if I could get a 2 or 3 year scholarship, though paying for school is not a problem. How does the whole thing play out when doing ROTC during undergrad and then moving onto HPSP for dental school? Would it be better just to go through the normal HPSP process without ROTC?

You will gain a much broader understanding of the military and military leadership by doing ROTC. You will have quite a bit of knowledge that your peers will have to learn and develop after they come on active duty.

The downside is that the obligation you incur by doing ROTC will affect your earning potential once on active duty. You are not eligible for any of the multiyear retention bonuses until all your payback is completed ($25k, $35k, or $50k/yr). Additonally if you aren't accepted into dental school right away, your ROTC obligation may require that you begin paying back your obligation - they will only grant you an educational deferment if you get into dental school or some other post graduate training that benefits the Army.
 
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ROTC in undergrad can be a fun and rewarding experience. Just know going in that there is a time commttment that goes with it (morining PT, evening leadership classes, etc.). However, if you truly want to be an Army Dentist, and hopefully optain a HPSP schoarship, I would recommend not doing it for these two reasons:

1. Your obligation to the Army will be close to double (three-four years for ROTC and four for HPSP. That's seven-eight years AFTER you complete the one or two year AEGD so now you are looking at obligating yourself for almost 10 years of mandatory service in a job that can place you somewhere you don't like,working for someone who may not like you.

2. If you want to apply for HPSP to attend dental school, you need permission from ROTC to do so. It is consideredt to be an "educational delay" from active service. Currently this is being handed out like candy to just about anyone who asks, but who knows what the next four years will bring? We may find ourselves in any one of five places in the world fighting the good fight. My point is that there is nobody who can tell you that this route is a certainty.

The one and only thing that my recruiter told me many, many years ago that was an absolute truth was to not sign on for more than the minimum. Be a man of honor and fulfill your obligation and if you like what you are doing, you can sign up for more later.
 
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I'm aware of the time commitment. For my school's battalion, the Hoya Battalion, It seems like a 3 credit class, 3 days of PT a week, then additional things on the occasional weekend and in the summer. I'll obviously get a better picture of what it's like before signing up and I think you can even join and see if you like it before contracting. I'm not involved in a whole lot besides school work so I have the time. I'm a pretty active guy and like the military so I think it'd be something I'd enjoy. At the most basic level, it would be an interesting story to talk about in D-school interviews with military dentistry aspirations.

So say I do ROTC, get the 3 year scholarship, get into D-school and thus get the educational delay, what about actually getting the HPSP? I understand it's a competitive scholarship. Are they going to look at me and be more willing to give it to me as an ROTC guy?

Thanks for the replies.
 
I'm aware of the time commitment. For my school's battalion, the Hoya Battalion, It seems like a 3 credit class, 3 days of PT a week, then additional things on the occasional weekend and in the summer. I'll obviously get a better picture of what it's like before signing up and I think you can even join and see if you like it before contracting. I'm not involved in a whole lot besides school work so I have the time. I'm a pretty active guy and like the military so I think it'd be something I'd enjoy. At the most basic level, it would be an interesting story to talk about in D-school interviews with military dentistry aspirations.

So say I do ROTC, get the 3 year scholarship, get into D-school and thus get the educational delay, what about actually getting the HPSP? I understand it's a competitive scholarship. Are they going to look at me and be more willing to give it to me as an ROTC guy?

Thanks for the replies.


It definitely doesn't hurt. Other things are important as well, such as DAT scores, GPA, etc.
 
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Having recently graduated, I believe I can speak to the impact you mention about family, life, peers, etc. The last few months of dental school were extremely stressful for many of my classmates who were job searching. Being in the Army I didn't have to worry about any of that. I was debt-free, collecting a paycheck during school, knew my job plans for the next several years, and didn't have to worry about paying to move myself across country to a residency program or job (instead I got paid handsomely for the move).

Since members of the military have a limited ability to dictate exactly where they'll be stationed, being in the Army isn't much different from what my debt-laden classmates experienced. In fact, one could reasonably argue that the Army was the better path because many classmates accepted positions in rural communities where they never had previously lived (talk about culture shock to not even be able to go to WalMart or Target). At least with the Army you have a community of your own with reasonable access to excellent amenities (e.g., the commissary and the exchange), even if you move a couple of times.

If you're worried about "getting left behind" from a skills standpoint, don't be. While your scope of practice is limited straight out of school (for good reason), it (1) depends on which base you are assigned, and (2) will be mitigated if you take advantage of the specialty or advanced training programs. Those programs "credential" you to do more procedures. Being in the Army allows you to work on your skill and speed while many classmates will be getting paid a commission and feel like they must produce to cover student loans, insurances, office overhead, etc. I've found that Army dentistry has upsides that far outweigh the quirky downsides. Heck, even my current clinic hours prevent me from getting stuck in traffic everyday. Plus, for the kind of debt my classmates amassed, it would take them $8-10K per month of loan payments for four years to get out of debt… and much more (at the current 6.9 or 7.9% interest rates for graduate loans) should they pay it off slower. To me the Army was a no-brainer. Many of my classmates by the 3rd or 4th year expressed regret that they didn't go that route, presumably because of the $700 in interest alone they were beginning to amass every 10 days.

I had a small question regarding this statement. So what would I be limited in doing straight out of school? For the things that I would be limited in doing, is doing an AEGD the only way to broaden my "credentials"? Or would I be able to gain these credentials through everyday experience?
 
You would not be doing molar endo until you prove to someone you can do it. Certain types of surgery (perio, impacted wisdom teeth, etc...) you may not do until your skills are validated. You may be limited on veneers, bridges, restoring implants as well.

An AEGD will automatically give you an expanded number of procedures. Everything else has to be demonstrated to someone who is already credentialed.
 
I was looking into many of the threads, but couldn't find one specifically tailored to my situation.

After practicing dentistry for 4 years, I will be starting Perio Residency at a private institution in July, 2015.

I was trying to see if military would have a program similar to HPSP, but all I have found was HPLRP and STRAP in the reserve.

1. Does perio residency meet the requirement for STRAP and HPLRP program? I saw in the official document from AMEDD that perio(63D) is eligible but all of the information from this forum says otherwise.

2. The recruiter told me that 63D is not needed at this point, hence will not qualify for FAP program. Is that true?

2. The document that I read said that HPLRP and STRAP may be offered at the same time. So If I were eligible and take maximum of both (3 years of residency and 6 years of HPLRP), will I incur 12 years of obligation (6 from STRAP, 6 from HPLRP)?

Thanks for your input!
 
I was looking into many of the threads, but couldn't find one specifically tailored to my situation.

After practicing dentistry for 4 years, I will be starting Perio Residency at a private institution in July, 2015.

I was trying to see if military would have a program similar to HPSP, but all I have found was HPLRP and STRAP in the reserve.

1. Does perio residency meet the requirement for STRAP and HPLRP program? I saw in the official document from AMEDD that perio(63D) is eligible but all of the information from this forum says otherwise.

2. The recruiter told me that 63D is not needed at this point, hence will not qualify for FAP program. Is that true?

2. The document that I read said that HPLRP and STRAP may be offered at the same time. So If I were eligible and take maximum of both (3 years of residency and 6 years of HPLRP), will I incur 12 years of obligation (6 from STRAP, 6 from HPLRP)?

Thanks for your input!
Unfortunately I can not comment on the Reserve or National Guard - both of which are probably your only option.

On the active duty side they Army is very selective with taking in specialists since many of the specialities they have are already full. There is a chance you could come in after you graduate from Perio, but since it is still 3 yrs off you won't know until you try to apply if they have any need/capacity. There is no program that you would be eligible for at this time.
 
You would not be doing molar endo until you prove to someone you can do it. Certain types of surgery (perio, impacted wisdom teeth, etc...) you may not do until your skills are validated. You may be limited on veneers, bridges, restoring implants as well.

An AEGD will automatically give you an expanded number of procedures. Everything else has to be demonstrated to someone who is already credentialed.
So, would you say that it will be beneficial as a 'military dentist' if you do a 1 or 2 yr. AEGD/GPR after dental school, since this will enhance your skills & more importantly (imo) widen the scope of procedures that you 'get' to do in the military ? Are there any CONS associated with obtaining a AEGD/GPR as a military dentist (meaning are you easier deployed or longer deployment time compare to other military dentists whom do not have any specialties.) ??
 
So, would you say that it will be beneficial as a 'military dentist' if you do a 1 or 2 yr. AEGD/GPR after dental school, since this will enhance your skills & more importantly (imo) widen the scope of procedures that you 'get' to do in the military ? Are there any CONS associated with obtaining a AEGD/GPR as a military dentist (meaning are you easier deployed or longer deployment time compare to other military dentists whom do not have any specialties.) ??


The only real "disadvantage" is that it is a neutral year and doesn't count toward your payback.
 
So, would you say that it will be beneficial as a 'military dentist' if you do a 1 or 2 yr. AEGD/GPR after dental school, since this will enhance your skills & more importantly (imo) widen the scope of procedures that you 'get' to do in the military ? Are there any CONS associated with obtaining a AEGD/GPR as a military dentist (meaning are you easier deployed or longer deployment time compare to other military dentists whom do not have any specialties.) ??

If you think you want to go into a traditional specialty then I would recommend the 1 yr AEGD. The disadvantage mentioned by Airborne about the additional year is aobut it. The upside is that you could potentially get a bigger multi-year bonus (35k vs 25k), increase your skill set, and make you more competative for a specialty.

If you like being able to do lots of different types of procedures, than 2 yr AEGD is the way to go.

You are just as deployable whether you do a 1 yr AEGD or not. Whether you deploy depends on how long you have been in the Army without deploying (dwell time). In our region general dentists, periodontists, pedodontists, orthodontists, and oral pathologists are all eligible to deploy as a "general dentist". Comprehensive dentists (2 yr AEGD), endodontists, and prosthodontists are lumped together when they ask for a comprehensive dentist. It comes down to what the deployment request asks for, and where on the order of merit list you sit. In my region (Entire Atlantic Coast), we run the list at our level - it is not the local commander's making the decisions. We always take invidividuals who volunteer first.
 
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Hello sir, I'm graduating next year and am very interested in a direct commission. Over Christmas, I visited a buddy at his residency at Ft. Carson and was very impressed with the program. I grew up an Army brat and have been a KC-135 crew chief in the Air Guard for the last 14 years (except for a two year stint in the IRR when I was 19). The military has been very good to me and my family over the years and I want back in full-time. I don't know if I want to make a career out of it, but with the excellent residencies, great benefits, and unique opportunities (e.g. airborne, EFMB, C4, deployment), I know I can't go wrong starting out practicing in the Army.

I've done a fair amount of digging in other threads, but I still have a few questions.

1. Is it possible to commission prior to graduation? If so, would a 1-year AEGD be available to me right after graduation?

2. After residency, I want start out as a brigade dentist in an airborne unit. Can I request specific units on my dream sheet (e.g. 82nd, 173rd, 4-25th) or is this best done indirectly by selecting the locations of these units (e.g. Bragg, Camp Ederle, JBER)?

3. I don't have the best GPA and class rank, if I stick around long enough (with good OERs and deployments) is there good chance I can eventually get selected for the 2-year AEGD? As a bravo, is it possible to get assigned to high-speed units (e.g. Rangers, SF) in later tours?

4. When is the Army going to stop handwriting patient charts? :laugh:
 
If you think you want to go into a traditional specialty then I would recommend the 1 yr AEGD. The disadvantage mentioned by Airborne about the additional year is aobut it. The upside is that you could potentially get a bigger multi-year bonus (35k vs 25k), increase your skill set, and make you more competative for a specialty.

If you like being able to do lots of different types of procedures, than 2 yr AEGD is the way to go.

You are just as deployable whether you do a 1 yr AEGD or not. Whether you deploy depends on how long you have been in the Army without deploying (dwell time). In our region general dentists, periodontists, pedodontists, orthodontists, and oral pathologists are all eligible to deploy as a "general dentist". Comprehensive dentists (2 yr AEGD), endodontists, and prosthodontists are lumped together when they ask for a comprehensive dentist. It comes down to what the deployment request asks for, and where on the order of merit list you sit. In my region (Entire Atlantic Coast), we run the list at our level - it is not the local commander's making the decisions. We always take invidividuals who volunteer first.
Thank you much for your thorough answers sir, I find it much educational compare to the above post.
 
Hello sir, I'm graduating next year and am very interested in a direct commission. Over Christmas, I visited a buddy at his residency at Ft. Carson and was very impressed with the program. I grew up an Army brat and have been a KC-135 crew chief in the Air Guard for the last 14 years (except for a two year stint in the IRR when I was 19). The military has been very good to me and my family over the years and I want back in full-time. I don't know if I want to make a career out of it, but with the excellent residencies, great benefits, and unique opportunities (e.g. airborne, EFMB, C4, deployment), I know I can't go wrong starting out practicing in the Army.

I've done a fair amount of digging in other threads, but I still have a few questions.

1. Is it possible to commission prior to graduation? If so, would a 1-year AEGD be available to me right after graduation?

I have of a program, but can not remember the name at this time. I can look into it if you are interested...You basically come on in an IRR status so that your time in Service accrues and you could apply for the AEGD - however you also have a payback for recieving no other benefit (no sign on bonus, stipend, etc...). Not worth it in my book. from time to time they will select someone for a 1 yr HPSP (with 3 yr payback) - not the best deal either. Excluding these 2 options there is no other chance to commision before graduation since you must have a dental license to join the Dental Corps.

2. After residency, I want start out as a brigade dentist in an airborne unit. Can I request specific units on my dream sheet (e.g. 82nd, 173rd, 4-25th) or is this best done indirectly by selecting the locations of these units (e.g. Bragg, Camp Ederle, JBER)?

Those units typically want someone who is a graduate of a 1 yr AEGD or has some experience first. You can list those units on your sheet - or better yet email/call the assignment officer, but you will not be the ideal candidate. You can always go to one of the bases with a unit like that and get your skills up and then jump in with them the following year or 2.

3. I don't have the best GPA and class rank, if I stick around long enough (with good OERs and deployments) is there good chance I can eventually get selected for the 2-year AEGD? As a bravo, is it possible to get assigned to high-speed units (e.g. Rangers, SF) in later tours?

If you stick around long enough you can get into a 2 yr AEGD with good OERs and other things that will help round out your resume. The jobs you mentioned are filled with general dentists who have not done the 2 yr AEGD. Once you do the 2 yr AEGD (or any specialty) you are not put into those units (group, brigade, rangers, etc...). There is 1 position in a SF unit that is for a 2 yr AEGD graduate - so if you want to play on the other side, you need to do that as a general dentist.

4. When is the Army going to stop handwriting patient charts? :laugh:
Current estimate is between 2020-2022

See my answers above following your questions
 
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Can I ask what is the best way to not get behind in the Army in terms of hand skills compared to private practice? Is having to do a neutral year AEGD the only way?
 
Can I ask what is the best way to not get behind in the Army in terms of hand skills compared to private practice? Is having to do a neutral year AEGD the only way?
I think that aggressively moonlighting is the best way. also work with specialist in the military stationed at your base. I really don't think that an AEGD guarantees you anything (e.g. you might place an implant in your AEGD but you'll likely not place another one after that unless a specialist takes pity on you). Good luck trying a procedure like an apico that you did 2-3 times in an AEGD after having a 4-5 yr gap of not doing it. After a couple of years there is literally no difference between what AEGD and nonAEGD dentists do. No distinction is made in my clinic in what we do.
 
I think that aggressively moonlighting is the best way. also work with specialist in the military stationed at your base. I really don't think that an AEGD guarantees you anything (e.g. you might place an implant in your AEGD but you'll likely not place another one after that unless a specialist takes pity on you). Good luck trying a procedure like an apico that you did 2-3 times in an AEGD after having a 4-5 yr gap of not doing it. After a couple of years there is literally no difference between what AEGD and nonAEGD dentists do. No distinction is made in my clinic in what we do.

I have read that grads of the 1-year AEGD/those who did no AEGD mainly do fillings and exams, with the occasional day for big cases. However, if you do a 2-year, you can keep all the cases you want: endo, crowns, everything.

Can you comment on the accuracy of the statements above?
 
So you would have to do a two year AEGD just to keep up in skills? Moonlighting sounds interesting but is it likely to happen during the Army?
 
So you would have to do a two year AEGD just to keep up in skills? Moonlighting sounds interesting but is it likely to happen during the Army?

Well it's to learn the skills first, and then to keep up yes. A 2-year is supposed to teach you a lot and make you a "super" general dentist. You don't come out of dental school with that skillset.
 
Well it's to learn the skills first, and then to keep up yes. A 2-year is supposed to teach you a lot and make you a "super" general dentist. You don't come out of dental school with that skillset.

I meant compared to the same amount of years in private practice.
 
I meant compared to the same amount of years in private practice.

Well another advantage of a 2 year is that it lets you take on command positions in the military...not for everyone but that is something that I would be interested in.
 
Well another advantage of a 2 year is that it lets you take on command positions in the military...not for everyone but that is something that I would be interested in.

Didn't know that thank you. That's good to know. It would be nice if the two year AEGD wasn't neutral.
 
It would be nice if the two year AEGD wasn't neutral.

It isn't neutral. It incurs a payback time of 2 years. This is served concurrently with your HPSP ADSO, but if you finish 4 years of active duty payback and then do a 2 year residency, you owe two more years of service.
 
@krmower @AirborneDentist

Do you know if comp dentists can be brigade dentists? I know special forces, airborne, etc tends to get limited but I think it would be a good experience to deploy with a brigade.
 
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@krmower @AirborneDentist

Do you know if comp dentists can be brigade dentists? I know special forces, airborne, etc tends to get limited but I think it would be a good experience to deploy with a brigade.
Typically speaking from my experience, nearly all the brigade dentists (there are 5 at my base) are either 1yr. AEGD graduates or someone with at least 2 yrs of experience. One of the senior leaders in DENCOM has commented to me that the one of the major purposes of the 1 year AEGD is to provide a supply a ready source of brigade dentists. I have also noticed that all things being equal between a few applicants from the exact same dental school applying to the exact same residency, those with a 1 yr. AEGD tend to get picked up significantly more than those who did not do a 1 year.

If you know that you would like to stay in general dentistry, I would just go for the 2 year AEGD straight out of school. You will be able to practice an incredibly broader scope of dentistry in the military.
 
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Typically speaking from my experience, nearly all the brigade dentists (there are 5 at my base) are either 1yr. AEGD graduates or someone with at least 2 yrs of experience. One of the senior leaders in DENCOM has commented to me that the one of the major purposes of the 1 year AEGD is to provide a supply a ready source of brigade dentists. I have also noticed that all things being equal between a few applicants from the exact same dental school applying to the exact same residency, those with a 1 yr. AEGD tend to get picked up significantly more than those who did not do a 1 year.

If you know that you would like to stay in general dentistry, I would just go for the 2 year AEGD straight out of school. You will be able to practice an incredibly broader scope of dentistry in the military.

Can I ask how that works applying to he 2 year AEGD after dental school for the army? Would that also be best if you are planning to stay in the army?
 
Would that also be best if you are planning to stay in the army?

It is very good for two reasons: 1) promotion and 2) pay

1) Promotion- Specialists are promoted in the Army. The 2year AEGD is considered a specialty program, and it allows general dentists to be promoted against endo, perio, etc.

2) Pay- The 2-year AEGD is a level 1 specialty in the Army. This means that if you decide to stay in after your ADSO is over, and you commit to more years, you can get a significant boost in pay in the form of a multi-year retention bonus.

The multi-year retention bonus for bravos (grads of 2yr AEGD) is 50K/yr if you sign a new four year contract.
 
@krmower @AirborneDentist

Do you know if comp dentists can be brigade dentists? I know special forces, airborne, etc tends to get limited but I think it would be a good experience to deploy with a brigade.

If you do the Comp program, you will NOT go to a brigade or SF slot. The only exception is the Delta position at Bragg. Otherwise, not at this time.
 
@krmower @AirborneDentist

Do you know if comp dentists can be brigade dentists? I know special forces, airborne, etc tends to get limited but I think it would be a good experience to deploy with a brigade.
No. Brigade dentists are only taken from the pool of general dentists (includes Special Forces Dentists). Comp dentists used to be the Division Dental Surgeon, but sometime around 2005 that went away. Now if you are a 63B there is one slot a piece in each of the dental companies (3 total) for a platoon leader. Additionally there is 1 special operations slot for a comp dentist. So a total of 4 positions for comp dentists. That being said, the Commanders of those 3 dental companies can be any type of a specialist including a comp dentist.
 
Can I ask how that works applying to he 2 year AEGD after dental school for the army? Would that also be best if you are planning to stay in the army?
I believe it is. The nice thing about the comp program is if you decide later you want to specialize in something else, you can.

Senior year of dental school you can apply for many of the traditional specialties in the Army. Each year they determine which ones. Comp has always been one of the options. The process for applying to comp, or any of the other applicable specialties would be to submit your packet (there will be guidance stating exactly what goes into the packet), wait for the board to meet and select residents, wait for the program directors to select which residents go to which programs, graduate school and go to BOLC (if not already completed), snow-bird for a year as a general dentist, begin the specialty program the following summer.

I will claim one small bit of ignorance...I don't recall if you can do a 1 yr AEGD as your snow-bird year and then immediately begin a specialty the following summer.
 
Does any one know what are my chances of getting off the OML for the 4yr HPSP of 2019 Grad??? My recruiter told me that I was 'Selected' but because I applied late (I applied in June when 4yr HPSP reopened due to # of applicants dropped), there are many applicants before me, hence I was put on OML, and I am just going to have to keep my finger cross for the 4 yr HPSP. However, if NOT selected, he said I will rollover for the 3 yr HPSP.

* So, my question here is: Being 'Selected' already and assuming I don't get pickup for the 4yr! Am I guarantee a 3 yr HPSP with Army ??

Thank you much.
 
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