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i've known enough dentists that have gone to UOP to know that you are lacking plenty of other stuff, namely practical clinical skills and knowledge, by not having completed four years of school. the didactic, textbook memorization of concepts for board exams is therefore less than impressive when it can't be applied to actual clinical treatment.

What does this have to do with the merits of CAMBRA? Is the irony of being accused of having insufficient clinical knowledge coming from someone who admittedly knows nothing about what could possibly become the new standard of care lost on anyone else?

In the Army there is a saying about how to avoid blame. It is a three step process. 1) Admit nothing. 2) Deny everything. 3) Make counter accusations. UM, you got #3 covered.

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What does this have to do with the merits of CAMBRA? Is the irony of being accused of having insufficient clinical knowledge coming from someone who admittedly knows nothing about what could possibly become the new standard of care lost on anyone else?

In the Army there is a saying about how to avoid blame. It is a three step process. 1) Admit nothing. 2) Deny everything. 3) Make counter accusations. UM, you got #3 covered.

yes, i admittedly have shown that i have not heard the word "CAMBRA," but yet have defined what it is and how it is used.

i would probably miss the board question about the definition of CAMBRA, yet I would treat the patient properly.

possibly become the new standard of care? this isn't something new or revolutionary. it seems to me that is has been the standard of care for quite a while, but without some fancy coinage and strict definitions of low, med and high caries risk.

i'd rather treat the patient than waste time running a time-wasting fancy matrix or bacterial content test. you know the bacteria is there, because the disease is there. you can't treat the disease and just leave the cause alone. so go ahead and treat both.

but i'm sure the fancy first-year integral concept "CAMBRA" and writing an RX for CHX to a patient who obviously has yuck-mouth is amazing.
 
yes, i admittedly have shown that i have not heard the word "CAMBRA," but yet have defined what it is and how it is used.

i would probably miss the board question about the definition of CAMBRA, yet I would treat the patient properly.

possibly become the new standard of care? this isn't something new or revolutionary. it seems to me that is has been the standard of care for quite a while, but without some fancy coinage and strict definitions of low, med and high caries risk.

i'd rather treat the patient than waste time running a time-wasting fancy matrix or bacterial content test. you know the bacteria is there, because the disease is there. you can't treat the disease and just leave the cause alone. so go ahead and treat both.

but i'm sure the fancy first-year integral concept "CAMBRA" and writing an RX for CHX to a patient who obviously has yuck-mouth is amazing.

When I was in basic training I observed an interesting phenomenon. Dudes who had been in basic training for all of three whole weeks would look with contempt on those who had just gotten there. From their vast experience they looked down on the "FNGs" and just loved to tell them how things worked. I am catching hints of that here. Its petty and self serving and I aint gonna play your game. Have fun and good luck with whatever you are doing.
 
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I was wondering if the 2-year AEGD offers good experience with implant restoration cases or do the prosthodontists usually take them all. I hear the program doesn't offer much, if any, experience with placement. Thank you.
 
I was wondering if the 2-year AEGD offers good experience with implant restoration cases or do the prosthodontists usually take them all. I hear the program doesn't offer much, if any, experience with placement. Thank you.

It all depends on who your commander/director/prosthodontist are. Implants are a drain on the military budget and in my experience are limited. There are millions of missing teeth in the military, which ones get implants is complicated. However ususally with either one or 2 year residency there is some exposure. I just placed one a month or 2 ago working with the periodontist. (I've been out of residency for 3 years now) It all depends where you end up honestly, but you will get some exposure, especially if you look for it.

All this other discussion on CAMBRA or whatever the accronym is now, needs it's own thread. Thisis more for specific questions about the army. But while I'm on the subject the larger problem is the constant sucking down of MT Dew, screw remineralization in most of the patients I see, just get them to brush their f&*^%&g teeth. that's hard enough. But everything has it's time and place, dental school is very idealistic.
 
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I am just wondering how many army dentists get out of the army. I thought I hated it so much but everybody i talked to hated it like a mother!!!
 
I was wondering if the 2-year AEGD offers good experience with implant restoration cases or do the prosthodontists usually take them all. I hear the program doesn't offer much, if any, experience with placement. Thank you.

i can't speak for other posts, but at fort campbell, we place implants in just about anyone with a pulse. we do immediates, immediate and early loaded and we do implant-retained removable prostheses. after this summer, we will have two periodontists, four oral surgeons and three prosthodontists, along with an AEGD program. (during this past year while i was a resident, we had one periodontist and three oral surgeons)
there are lots of opportunities to restore implants, as well as place a few and observe the placement of them as an AEGD resident at fort campbell.
 
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I am just wondering how many army dentists get out of the army. I thought I hated it so much but everybody i talked to hated it like a mother!!!

You figure there are 85-90 scholorships per year.......then there's your answer. It's more cost effective to pay the O3's with zero years salary, than to pay O4 and above plus retirement.
 
You figure there are 85-90 scholorships per year.......then there's your answer. It's more cost effective to pay the O3's with zero years salary, than to pay O4 and above plus retirement.

Man!!! What a bitch the DENCOM is. I think HRC and DENCOM and some ******* dentac commanders literately drive people out of the army. No wonder they can care less about us since they already got their retirement. now they throw 20k sign on bonus trying to recruit people. Someone is fxxking desperate.
 
I had a friend just tell me about this site. I just wanted to put my info out there in case anyone wanted more information about Army dentistry. Here's my background:

- Prior service enlisted (National Guard) - Military Intelligence
- Undergrad at BYU
- 4 kids
- Have not deployed - but I can get you in contact with people that have
- 6 yrs out of dental school - Temple
- Did the Army 2-yr AEGD
- Finished my initial obligation with the Army and took the multi-year retention bonus.
- I would be happy to discuss why I decided to stay in
- I have visited over 20 of the Army bases and their dental clinics - so I have an idea of what facilities are like there (only in the states)
- I do not mind fielding questions about the Army - if you are interested in a certain specialty or location I can probably help you find someone that has "been there/done that" that you could email/talk to.
- I do not think that salary is a personal issue so feel free to ask about that to
 
I had a friend just tell me about this site. I just wanted to put my info out there in case anyone wanted more information about Army dentistry. Here's my background:

- Prior service enlisted (National Guard) - Military Intelligence
- Undergrad at BYU
- 4 kids
- Have not deployed - but I can get you in contact with people that have
- 6 yrs out of dental school - Temple
- Did the Army 2-yr AEGD
- Finished my initial obligation with the Army and took the multi-year retention bonus.
- I would be happy to discuss why I decided to stay in
- I have visited over 20 of the Army bases and their dental clinics - so I have an idea of what facilities are like there (only in the states)
- I do not mind fielding questions about the Army - if you are interested in a certain specialty or location I can probably help you find someone that has "been there/done that" that you could email/talk to.
- I do not think that salary is a personal issue so feel free to ask about that to

All right then, can you give me a list of posts in the states that you definitely don't want to be in. I want to see if your list match mine. I think your reason to stay in is simple.1) Your prior enlisted time will help you with your pay and 20 year retirement.2) A 63B dentist gets a bonus in this system comparable to that of an oral surgeon(in the civilian world, that does not count much as a "specialist" 3) With shortage of dentists, a 63B has more political power in the army(I know someone personally who quits perio and sign up for B since he wants to be the big dog.
 
krmower-
what are you favorite post and your least. What are the chaces of getting a post you want. How about European post, same q's about them.
thanks for volunteering your info.
 
All right then, can you give me a list of posts in the states that you definitely don't want to be in. I want to see if your list match mine. I think your reason to stay in is simple.1) Your prior enlisted time will help you with your pay and 20 year retirement.2) A 63B dentist gets a bonus in this system comparable to that of an oral surgeon(in the civilian world, that does not count much as a "specialist" 3) With shortage of dentists, a 63B has more political power in the army(I know someone personally who quits perio and sign up for B since he wants to be the big dog.
Since my prior service time was in the Guard it did help my pay by a few years, but it had no effect on my retirement time.

You are correct - the bonus is nice - but this was the first year I was eligible for it and I could have gotten out this year, but I have enjoyed the experiences and opportunities I have and decided to stay.

I don't think that a 63B has any more "power" than any other specialist. There are senior leadership - commanders, regional commanders, and other senior leadership from most specialties. I think it comes down to what career path the dentist wants to take - research, education, clinical, administrative, or command. I haven't ever seen any specialist discriminated against based on their specialty.
 
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And before some kid comes on here telling me which circle of hell I'm from:

Every single military female that has done the things that I've mentioned started out with the exact same statement that I quoted you using above. And to prove that I'm not a pig, military men try to use a power play of the same order: by screwing over everyone that they can possibly come in contact with, in order to achieve their own personal goals. I've fallen into the same trap myself, as have everyone else that's been in for at least a week.
The military's not about getting what YOU want. They give you all of those perks so that you can GIVE BACK. You're not getting loan repayment, etc, just because you're a great and wonderful person. It's because the soldiers need health care. If the soldiers go somewhere, then you will go there to help them. If you don't understand that, then you're gonna treat the person in your chair like a dog simply because they have on a uniform that you disrespect. THAT will be the experience that you learn. THIS is why military doctors and dentists get the bad rap that everyone's heard about.
So, before you sign anything, consider if you can keep your commitments in the face of people breezing by and screwing you over just because they think they're special (for the next large chunk of your life) and not become some angry jerk like me. Consider whether you can resist jerking some poor guy's jaw around just because you're mad at your commanding officer's choice of words on a report that your life depends on, just because the poor guy's an E-2. If you are thinking that your life is going to be taken away from you, then you're exactly correct. It's not about YOUR life, it's how you can USE your life to help other people and still feel like you're happy. This is exactly the problem when you so woefully proclaim that you don't want "to be deployed at a moment's notice". Saying such a thing is already disrespecting a life that you're considering being a part of.
This isn't me attacking you because of my opinion of the war or for any other reason, this is an opinion from someone who spent nearly a decade in the military and can attest to the things I've mentioned. Do you believe you can give the best care in the face of having your self-importance taken from you? Do you believe that doing so will make you an incredibly wonderful practitioner, or even understand how? Or are you scared by someone with a strong opinion, and wouldn't be able to clear your head to practice dentistry at your very best? Or are you too worried about leaving your current post because of your nice oak cabinets and easy commute?

This isn't me being mean or trying to scare you away. I'm just giving you a heads-up. You can spend your time in the military trying to run away from the dirty jobs, and screwing your peers over by doing so (as you seem to be doing already). Playing the system will basically cause you to worry the entire time, though, besides turning you into human garbage and screwing up your morality. Go read about the amalgam-caravan and the people who spend 4 years trying to avoid it, scrutinizing over every career decision. Then, realize that's why it exists in the first place. Then, ask yourself if you're ready to work next to jerks like me.

man, you really suck guy.
 
Since my prior service time was in the Guard it did help my pay by a few years, but it had no effect on my retirement time.

You are correct - the bonus is nice - but this was the first year I was eligible for it and I could have gotten out this year, but I have enjoyed the experiences and opportunities I have and decided to stay.

I don't think that a 63B has any more "power" than any other specialist. There are senior leadership - commanders, regional commanders, and other senior leadership from most specialties. I think it comes down to what career path the dentist wants to take - research, education, clinical, administrative, or command. I haven't ever seen any specialist discriminated against based on their specialty.

Hey, do you know anything about the unit in Korea? how is that like? I heard they don't deploy as often as the unit in the germany. Also, right now, being profis gets you deployed rather quickly.
 
Since my prior service time was in the Guard it did help my pay by a few years, but it had no effect on my retirement time.

You are correct - the bonus is nice - but this was the first year I was eligible for it and I could have gotten out this year, but I have enjoyed the experiences and opportunities I have and decided to stay.

I don't think that a 63B has any more "power" than any other specialist. There are senior leadership - commanders, regional commanders, and other senior leadership from most specialties. I think it comes down to what career path the dentist wants to take - research, education, clinical, administrative, or command. I haven't ever seen any specialist discriminated against based on their specialty.

well, do you know anything about the dental company in korea? I heard they do not deploy as much as other field unit.
 
you can rank where you want to go, yes, but if none of those have positions available, you will get what you get.
the best way to go about this is to stay in contact with the person who determines assignments (CPT Pratt-Chambers, if you are a 63A).
with that being said, if you wanted korea, you could probably get it. it always has positions available, and not many actually want to go there, so if you made it one of your choices, you could probably have it.

Korea is a good assignment for asian single people. If you get station state side such as Ft Bragg, Ft Hood, Ft Reily etc, you will deploy being profis to some unit. Not to mention if you are the division slot, you will go as long as your unit is there.
 
PM me or shoot me an email and we'll talk.

Sir, do you have any information on the process of getting out? I mean, I have a year left. How does this resignation process go? Where do you start off with ? I heard you should start 12 months out. Can you expain please? thanks
 
You figure there are 85-90 scholorships per year.......then there's your answer. It's more cost effective to pay the O3's with zero years salary, than to pay O4 and above plus retirement.

So you are saying that most people you know are getting out of the army?
 
So you are saying that most people you know are getting out of the army?


Except for the ones that are specializing, yes. And most of those plan on leaving as soon as their commitment is up. But i'm sure a couple will change their minds.
 
Sir, do you have any information on the process of getting out? I mean, I have a year left. How does this resignation process go? Where do you start off with ? I heard you should start 12 months out. Can you expain please? thanks

you just have to submit your letter of resignation 6 months out. there is a sample letter or resignation on the dencom hrc website.
 
you just have to submit your letter of resignation 6 months out. there is a sample letter or resignation on the dencom hrc website.

6months or 12 months? I heard it is 12 months out. After that, the HRC will issue your ETS orders and clearance papers right? Then you will be automatically placed in the IRR.

Have you guys heard about anything about IRR? I heard different stories. Some people said that they would get called back and some said they would not.
 
well, do you know anything about the dental company in korea? I heard they do not deploy as much as other field unit.
Sorry, I hadn't read the forum in a few days. Up until recently the 618th in Korea did not belong to DENCOM so they did not get profised or put on an order of merit list(OML). Recently they became a provisional DENTAC so there is the potential in the future that they could be profised or added to the OML just like other locations. I do not know of anyone at this point that has deployed from there.
 
6months or 12 months? I heard it is 12 months out. After that, the HRC will issue your ETS orders and clearance papers right? Then you will be automatically placed in the IRR.

Have you guys heard about anything about IRR? I heard different stories. Some people said that they would get called back and some said they would not.
I am not sure on the time frame. 6 months out may be too short - I thought I had heard more in the 9-12 month range. Best thing to do is to call HRC and ask.

Technician: Mr Everette Williams, [email protected] , DSN 221-2351.

I haven't heard much about the IRR other than no Army dentist has ever been recalled from it to deploy.
 
Sir, do you have any information on the process of getting out? I mean, I have a year left. How does this resignation process go? Where do you start off with ? I heard you should start 12 months out. Can you expain please? thanks
The process of getting out is just as UMKCDDS explained with the letter of resignation.
 
Do a search for "citizen" and you'll find a couple threads that discuss foriegn dentists.

I'm not sure if the HPSP would pay for the International Dentistry Program, but Pros residencies are available and not that competitive in the Army. Another issue is citizenship, usually US Army officers are required to be citizens, but there may be a waiver as long as your background check is approved. I do not know if non-citizens are eligible for an HPSP though.

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Can you tell me your 1 year experience in Korea at Casey? How does it compared to the Conus posts? DId you get to travel a lot and enjoyed a lot of asian culture?
 
Sorry, I hadn't read the forum in a few days. Up until recently the 618th in Korea did not belong to DENCOM so they did not get profised or put on an order of merit list(OML). Recently they became a provisional DENTAC so there is the potential in the future that they could be profised or added to the OML just like other locations. I do not know of anyone at this point that has deployed from there.

Really? So they don't even go under Dencom at all? No wonder someone told me that they don't deploy to Iraq that often. I guess getting to korea sounds sucks to many people, but hey, would you rather going to Iraq or Korea?
 
Hi krmower,

It seems you know a lot about Korea. I'm a general dentist, 1 year in private practice after graduating dental school and I am currently applying to be an active duty army dentist. I told my recruiter that I would really like to get stationed in South Korea and he said it shouldn't be a problem since dentists aren't exactly lined up to go there. He even told me I could put South Korea down as my first, second and third choices. What do you think? Is he just trying to sugar coat everything?

Also, the recruiter got me in touch with an army dentist who has been serving since 2004. When I asked about getting deployed, he told me that he has volunteered several times because he has heard how it's a life changing experience and really wants to go. However, he says in the last 4 years, he hasn't been deployed once. Is this typical? Is he just helping out the recruiter to make it sound nicer than it really is?

Thanks for your time!
 
Hello. Im currently in undergraduate and I had a couple questions for an army dentist. If someone would like to decide the fate of someones life (yes I need suggestions really bad:(), please PM me your email. I would greatly appreciate it. I already have the email with questions typed out. I tried to make it as straight forward as possible. Thanks ahead of time.
 
your recruiter doesn't know jack sh-t about whether or not you will be able to get to go to Korea.



Hi krmower,

It seems you know a lot about Korea. I'm a general dentist, 1 year in private practice after graduating dental school and I am currently applying to be an active duty army dentist. I told my recruiter that I would really like to get stationed in South Korea and he said it shouldn't be a problem since dentists aren't exactly lined up to go there. He even told me I could put South Korea down as my first, second and third choices. What do you think? Is he just trying to sugar coat everything?

Also, the recruiter got me in touch with an army dentist who has been serving since 2004. When I asked about getting deployed, he told me that he has volunteered several times because he has heard how it's a life changing experience and really wants to go. However, he says in the last 4 years, he hasn't been deployed once. Is this typical? Is he just helping out the recruiter to make it sound nicer than it really is?

Thanks for your time!
 
Hello. Im currently in undergraduate and I had a couple questions for an army dentist. If someone would like to decide the fate of someones life (yes I need suggestions really bad:(), please PM me your email. I would greatly appreciate it. I already have the email with questions typed out. I tried to make it as straight forward as possible. Thanks ahead of time.

send the letter to me as a PM and i'll try to answer what i can.
 
i can't speak for other posts, but at fort campbell, we place implants in just about anyone with a pulse. we do immediates, immediate and early loaded and we do implant-retained removable prostheses. after this summer, we will have two periodontists, four oral surgeons and three prosthodontists, along with an AEGD program. (during this past year while i was a resident, we had one periodontist and three oral surgeons)
there are lots of opportunities to restore implants, as well as place a few and observe the placement of them as an AEGD resident at fort campbell.
Hello umkcdds, I'm a D4 w/HPSP and I'm sure you know we are now required to apply to at least a 1yr AEGD. At first I was annoyed cuz I wanted to do my time and get out, but I now feel the 1 yr. AEGD would benefit when I do get out. I have looked at the 1 yr. AEGD programs, I know I have a slim chance at Fort Lewis/Fort Carson. What do you think of the Fort Campbell program? And do you know about the Fort Jackson program? I believe not all programs are the same, so if I am commiting another year, I hope it would be worth it wherever that program may be.

And do know how many applicants (percentage) the army accepts for the 1yr AEGD? I'm in about the 50th percentile of my class, sad I know. But I really don't want to get my hopes up for the AEGD if they only accept the top applicants. Thanks for your help.
 
Hey all, I've heard when I graduate next year I should request a PROFIS duty station vs. TOE unit. Can anyone explain this? Are these the only choices I have or just the main choices? I'd like to get stationed in Germany for my 4 yr committment, but I've heard not to go there if a field unit is my only German choice because my hand skills will diminish. Any truth to this? Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

Oh, and I was not initially planning on applying to an AEGD because I felt my 4yr committment would be sorth of like an AEGD itself, surrounded by specialist and other experienced dentists. Was I mistaken in my assumption?
 
Hey all, I've heard when I graduate next year I should request a PROFIS duty station vs. TOE unit. Can anyone explain this? Are these the only choices I have or just the main choices? I'd like to get stationed in Germany for my 4 yr committment, but I've heard not to go there if a field unit is my only German choice because my hand skills will diminish. Any truth to this? Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

Oh, and I was not initially planning on applying to an AEGD because I felt my 4yr committment would be sorth of like an AEGD itself, surrounded by specialist and other experienced dentists. Was I mistaken in my assumption?

You can't request a PROFIS slot, but you can request a TDA (clinic) location. I haven't been in a dental company in Germany so I can't comment on the diminished skills - I hadn't heard of that. I have had friends of mine that were assigned to TOE units stateside, and they were generally in the clinic working unless they had other duties that pulled them away.

I wouldn't assume that you will have specialists around -especially if you are looking at going to Germany you may be in a smaller clinic that has a comprehensive dentist, and some other dentists. There may be specialists at a different clinic nearby - but I wouldn't assume you are going to get the same level of training as an AEGD. Safe money is on a 1 or 2 yr AEGD.
 
Hello umkcdds, I'm a D4 w/HPSP and I'm sure you know we are now required to apply to at least a 1yr AEGD. At first I was annoyed cuz I wanted to do my time and get out, but I now feel the 1 yr. AEGD would benefit when I do get out. I have looked at the 1 yr. AEGD programs, I know I have a slim chance at Fort Lewis/Fort Carson. What do you think of the Fort Campbell program? And do you know about the Fort Jackson program? I believe not all programs are the same, so if I am commiting another year, I hope it would be worth it wherever that program may be.

And do know how many applicants (percentage) the army accepts for the 1yr AEGD? I'm in about the 50th percentile of my class, sad I know. But I really don't want to get my hopes up for the AEGD if they only accept the top applicants. Thanks for your help.


i had a good experience at Ft Campbell and would recommend the program without reservation - it really has no weak areas. the area isn't the greatest to live it, but i don't dislike it.
i can't speak for the other programs. i really don't know anything about them.
when it comes time to rank the programs in the order you would like to go to them, i would rank them by the area of the country you would most like to live in.
i'm not sure about how many get accepted, but i think there is a pretty high chances of getting selected, considering the army is making everyone apply now, because they couldn't fill all the slots in the past.
 
If you want to go to Carson or Lewis, just put it as your first choice. It's not like dental school where it may make you not get in. They rank the top 50ish people and they get a spot, then they break it down as to where everybody goes based on the preferences. All the programs are good, and would highly recommend any of them even Sill where I did mine. It's just a year, even in Oklahoma.
 
If you want to go to Carson or Lewis, just put it as your first choice. It's not like dental school where it may make you not get in. They rank the top 50ish people and they get a spot, then they break it down as to where everybody goes based on the preferences. All the programs are good, and would highly recommend any of them even Sill where I did mine. It's just a year, even in Oklahoma.


Thanks for the info guys, good to know. Look forward to meeting some you all next year hopefully.
 
Is it possible for an Army Dentist to complete Ranger School and Airborne Training, while serving back the 3-4 years from the HPSP scholarship, and if so, does it count towards the commitment or not?In other words, what kind of army training does a Dental Officer receive in the Army Dental Corps, apart from the basic training?

If you are at a location where a school is, if you are assigned to a TOE unit, or if you have a cool Commander there is a chance for some of the schools like: Airborne or air assault. Ranger is probably not likely unless you are assigned to a TOE unit. All Commanders should let you try for the EFMB (Expert Field Medical Badge) which is the only medical tab you can earn. There are chances, just let poeple know you are interested. If you definately want those types of schools, ask for a unit or location that does those things.
 
I am currently a senior and soon I will be graduating and subsequently I will begin to fulfill my obligations with the army. The thing is is that I have an incredible woman in my life and I plan on popping the big question soon. Needless to say, what can you tell me about life in the army with a wife. What should I expect and what will the army do? Do they take into consideration spouses? If I am being moved to another post, do they accommodate? Does a spouse have the opportunity to sign a civilian contract and if so will she be where I am? Thank you in advance.
 
I posted this in the AF thread, beacuse AF is my first choice and Army my second.

Here is my situation: I will be repeating my first year dental school. I've been wanting to do the military route for while but couldn't because I didn't have my US citizenship.

If I apply for the military, I will probably get the 3 year scholarship, since the first year classes have already begun. I will have had 2 years of student loans that need to be paid off, plus my previous GPA will still remain on my transcript. I still have a respectable 3.10 CGPA overall. My question is, has repeating the year ruined my options to join the military and hopefully specialize someday? Could I get loan repayment assistance? And what about applying for residencies? Any thoughts and comments?
 
I posted this in the AF thread, beacuse AF is my first choice and Army my second.

Here is my situation: I will be repeating my first year dental school. I've been wanting to do the military route for while but couldn't because I didn't have my US citizenship.

If I apply for the military, I will probably get the 3 year scholarship, since the first year classes have already begun. I will have had 2 years of student loans that need to be paid off, plus my previous GPA will still remain on my transcript. I still have a respectable 3.10 CGPA overall. My question is, has repeating the year ruined my options to join the military and hopefully specialize someday? Could I get loan repayment assistance? And what about applying for residencies? Any thoughts and comments?

Probably for the Air Force - Not for the Army. In fact you may still be able to get your first year fully paid for if you hurry and apply. Worse case scenario you could get 3.5 out of the 4 yrs paid for. Loan repayment is eligible if you received less than 4 yrs HPSP - so if you did only get a 3 yr HPSP - you could use 1 yr loan repayment (not sure about if you get 3.5 yrs HPSP) If you get me your email address I can get someone in contact with you.

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I am currently a senior and soon I will be graduating and subsequently I will begin to fulfill my obligations with the army. The thing is is that I have an incredible woman in my life and I plan on popping the big question soon. Needless to say, what can you tell me about life in the army with a wife. What should I expect and what will the army do? Do they take into consideration spouses? If I am being moved to another post, do they accommodate? Does a spouse have the opportunity to sign a civilian contract and if so will she be where I am? Thank you in advance.

More than likely they will try to work with you. Many locations have available openings for civilians, however the civilians usually have to have some experience to be hired (at least 1 yr - however it doesn't hurt to ask) - usually they will not hire someone straight out of school. Most bases would be near towns/cities that she should be able to find a job with.

One other option is to see if she is interested in joining - that elimantes any issues about her finding a job, and the Army will put you guys at the same location. That happened with a friend of mine, when he got married his wife joined too.
 
Hey guys, i am thinking if it is really worth to do the real residency(endo, perio etc..) in the army and then pay them back the time. I don't think army residency is that reputable other than you got paid while in the residency. I mean, they said it is the best time to apply right now since we are so short on people. I mean, i am not the kinda of guy that can't live without being a specialist. I just would like to leave my options open. i mean, i am pretty fed up with the army life right now. Just some thoughts that want to discuss with everyone here. Any comments?
 
Hi krmower,

It seems you know a lot about Korea. I'm a general dentist, 1 year in private practice after graduating dental school and I am currently applying to be an active duty army dentist. I told my recruiter that I would really like to get stationed in South Korea and he said it shouldn't be a problem since dentists aren't exactly lined up to go there. He even told me I could put South Korea down as my first, second and third choices. What do you think? Is he just trying to sugar coat everything?

Also, the recruiter got me in touch with an army dentist who has been serving since 2004. When I asked about getting deployed, he told me that he has volunteered several times because he has heard how it's a life changing experience and really wants to go. However, he says in the last 4 years, he hasn't been deployed once. Is this typical? Is he just helping out the recruiter to make it sound nicer than it really is?

Thanks for your time!

i don't know it is a good idea to join the army without any HPSP money. i mean, unless you really want to be in the uniform, it is not a good idea to be a general dentist. People join for the money or residency training.
 
Hey guys, i am thinking if it is really worth to do the real residency(endo, perio etc..) in the army and then pay them back the time. I don't think army residency is that reputable other than you got paid while in the residency. I mean, they said it is the best time to apply right now since we are so short on people. I mean, i am not the kinda of guy that can't live without being a specialist. I just would like to leave my options open. i mean, i am pretty fed up with the army life right now. Just some thoughts that want to discuss with everyone here. Any comments?

First of all this is an open forum and no one will ever tell you what to say or not to say- but you have got to be one of the most bitter individuals I have ever met and seem to be incredibly set on making sure everyone reading this post knows about it - which is your right. But if you are going to make a comment have somthing to back it up.

If you say the Army residencies are not reputable what are you going off of - your observations at a base that doesn't even have a residency program? Every single one of the Army programs are accredited by the ADA just like any other residency program in the country. Are you accusing the ADA of slacking when it comes to program accredidation?

Second you present a lot of hear say and "your observations" as fact. How long have you been in the Army, and how many bases have you been at? If you are generalizing all of your experiences from one base as "the way it is" that is pretty pathetic.

That venting being said, I do agree with you. If someone does not do the HPSP, there would only be a few reasons that coming in the military would make sense: 1) specialty training 2) travel/adventure 3) serving your country. Personally I think the HPSP makes one great offer, but the option to specialize is enticing to many - especially when it is something they want to do and have a family. Trying to specialize with a family at a civilian school is difficult given the very small stipend they may get. The option for people to specialize in the civilian world decreases the longer they are out of school as other obligations and commitments begin to increase. In the military regardless of what phase in life you are in, the residency program provides a stable financial environment you may not have elsewhere.

So by all means you are welcomed to your opinion, but as someone having gone through an army residency program, and someone who has been in a little while and seen other programs - be careful when you speak about something you only have second hand knowledge of.

If you want to talk off line shoot me a PM and I'd be happy to email/discuss this issue with you.
 
First of all this is an open forum and no one will ever tell you what to say or not to say- but you have got to be one of the most bitter individuals I have ever met and seem to be incredibly set on making sure everyone reading this post knows about it - which is your right. But if you are going to make a comment have somthing to back it up.

If you say the Army residencies are not reputable what are you going off of - your observations at a base that doesn't even have a residency program? Every single one of the Army programs are accredited by the ADA just like any other residency program in the country. Are you accusing the ADA of slacking when it comes to program accredidation?

Second you present a lot of hear say and "your observations" as fact. How long have you been in the Army, and how many bases have you been at? If you are generalizing all of your experiences from one base as "the way it is" that is pretty pathetic.

That venting being said, I do agree with you. If someone does not do the HPSP, there would only be a few reasons that coming in the military would make sense: 1) specialty training 2) travel/adventure 3) serving your country. Personally I think the HPSP makes one great offer, but the option to specialize is enticing to many - especially when it is something they want to do and have a family. Trying to specialize with a family at a civilian school is difficult given the very small stipend they may get. The option for people to specialize in the civilian world decreases the longer they are out of school as other obligations and commitments begin to increase. In the military regardless of what phase in life you are in, the residency program provides a stable financial environment you may not have elsewhere.

So by all means you are welcomed to your opinion, but as someone having gone through an army residency program, and someone who has been in a little while and seen other programs - be careful when you speak about something you only have second hand knowledge of.

If you want to talk off line shoot me a PM and I'd be happy to email/discuss this issue with you.

thanks for the insight information.
 
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