Bernie Sanders Will Save You

[drusso]

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/26/bernie-sanders-questions-morality-of-us-economy.html

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[willabeast]

As much as i dislike Socialism (Left or Right wing), Sanders is IMHO preferable to Clinton, because of the following speech he gave in 2002 ! (excerpt follows). i think it demonstrates a lot of intelligence, intuition and most importantly the ability to think on his own and ignore (incorrect) popular opinion. Clinton not so much...
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Mr. Speaker, in the brief time I have, let me give five reasons why I am opposed to giving the President a blank check to launch a unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq and why I will vote against this resolution. One, I have not heard any estimates of how many young American men and women might die in such a war or how many tens of thousands of women and children in Iraq might also be killed. As a caring Nation, we should do everything we can to prevent the horrible suffering that a war will cause. War must be the last recourse in international relations, not the first. Second, I am deeply concerned about the precedent that a unilateral invasion of Iraq could establish in terms of international law and the role of the United Nations. If President Bush believes that the U.S. can go to war at any time against any nation, what moral or legal objection could our government raise if another country chose to do the same thing?

Third, the United States is now involved in a very difficult war against international terrorism as we learned tragically on September 11. We are opposed by Osama bin Laden and religious fanatics who are prepared to engage in a kind of warfare that we have never experienced before. I agree with Brent Scowcroft, Republican former National Security Advisor for President George Bush, Sr., who stated, ``An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken.''

Fourth, at a time when this country has a $6 trillion national debt and a growing deficit, we should be clear that a war and a long-term American occupation ofIraq could be extremely expensive.

Fifth, I am concerned about the problems of so-called unintended consequences. Who will govern Iraq when Saddam Hussein is removed and what role will the U.S. play in ensuing a civil war that could develop in that country? Will moderate governments in the region who have large Islamic fundamentalist populations be overthrown and replaced by extremists? Will the bloody conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Authority be exacerbated? And these are just a few of the questions that remain unanswered.//

 

[Yo GabbaPentin]

As much as i dislike Socialism (Left or Right wing), Sanders is IMHO preferable to Clinton, because of the following speech he gave in 2002 ! (excerpt follows). i think it demonstrates a lot of intelligence, intuition and most importantly the ability to think on his own and ignore (incorrect) popular opinion. Clinton not so much...
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Mr. Speaker, in the brief time I have, let me give five reasons why I am opposed to giving the President a blank check to launch a unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq and why I will vote against this resolution. One, I have not heard any estimates of how many young American men and women might die in such a war or how many tens of thousands of women and children in Iraq might also be killed. As a caring Nation, we should do everything we can to prevent the horrible suffering that a war will cause. War must be the last recourse in international relations, not the first. Second, I am deeply concerned about the precedent that a unilateral invasion of Iraq could establish in terms of international law and the role of the United Nations. If President Bush believes that the U.S. can go to war at any time against any nation, what moral or legal objection could our government raise if another country chose to do the same thing?

Third, the United States is now involved in a very difficult war against international terrorism as we learned tragically on September 11. We are opposed by Osama bin Laden and religious fanatics who are prepared to engage in a kind of warfare that we have never experienced before. I agree with Brent Scowcroft, Republican former National Security Advisor for President George Bush, Sr., who stated, ``An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken.''

Fourth, at a time when this country has a $6 trillion national debt and a growing deficit, we should be clear that a war and a long-term American occupation ofIraq could be extremely expensive.

Fifth, I am concerned about the problems of so-called unintended consequences. Who will govern Iraq when Saddam Hussein is removed and what role will the U.S. play in ensuing a civil war that could develop in that country? Will moderate governments in the region who have large Islamic fundamentalist populations be overthrown and replaced by extremists? Will the bloody conflict between Israel and the Palestinian Authority be exacerbated? And these are just a few of the questions that remain unanswered.//

So I guess he lost some of his math skills since he recommended medicare for all, expansion of SS and "free" college tuition for all at the debate last night.

 

[willabeast]

methinks all of them lost their math skills. except Rand Paul. and look where math skills got him.

 

[hyperalgesia]

It pains me to say this but it looks like Hillary Clinton has this election in the bag. She is everyone and she is no-one. The perfect politician.

 

[willabeast]

It pains me to say this but it looks like Hillary Clinton has this election in the bag. She is everyone and she is no-one. The perfect politician.

agreed. except she is very anti-gun. https://membership.nrahq.org/

 

[Doctodd]

He lost me when he said he cared about lives lost.

Hillary is well prepared and can talk her way out of the death penalty. As soon as she gives away free iPads to everyone, nobody will care about Trump or Carson. Her smile reminds me of Freddy Krueger or Chuckie. Scary.

 

[sarjasy]

 

[Aether2000]

Way before tasers...lol. Bernie's free college education is not as preposterous as it seems given the current technology and increased use of online classes. One possibility: government hires people to write online textbooks and develop a curriculum largely based on current college curriculums. The online classes are pre-recorded by the best of the best professors, the tuition would be free, and the vast majority of college courses could be offered completely free to the students. Book fees of up to the current $350 per book are cut out, college professors are cut out, most community colleges and "business colleges" would close, the number of universities would plummet. The remaining universities would compete for those students that want to pay full tuition, room and board, and book costs. State universities would continue to be supported by states, and students would be able to have their education partially subsidized by the state if they so elect. Private universities would continue to attract the elite, and would pay a premium for their education. Or anyone would have the possibility of free education via the federal system, primarily over the internet.

The Medicare expansion is probably inevitable as we are one of the few remaining western countries without some form of centralized healthcare payment system, and centralized control of prices. Of course the corollary to central control is that administrative costs must be cut including capping hospital CEO income that occurs at the expense of the ill, severe restriction placed on medical malpractice claims, reduction in costs of medical education, curtailing hospital system income, modification of HIPAA, revamping the fee for service system, and reduction of paperwork requirements so physicians can do their primary job. So while Bernie understands part of the future of universal healthcare, it is not clear he grasps the cataclysmic changes in multiple areas of health care that would be required to bring our system in line with other socialized medical systems that do work.

Bernie, as far left as he is, is preferable to Hillary or Trump. But we are not yet even close to the general elections.

 

[lobelsteve]

So basically make college a worthless event of sitting in front of a computer and self directed learning. GIGO.
Someone needs to get a bunch of leaders of industries together and ask what is needed from a business, science, tech, agriculture, etc standpoint what type of workers we need.

 

[hyperalgesia]

Way before tasers...lol. Bernie's free college education is not as preposterous as it seems given the current technology and increased use of online classes. One possibility: government hires people to write online textbooks and develop a curriculum largely based on current college curriculums. The online classes are pre-recorded by the best of the best professors, the tuition would be free, and the vast majority of college courses could be offered completely free to the students. Book fees of up to the current $350 per book are cut out, college professors are cut out, most community colleges and "business colleges" would close, the number of universities would plummet. The remaining universities would compete for those students that want to pay full tuition, room and board, and book costs. State universities would continue to be supported by states, and students would be able to have their education partially subsidized by the state if they so elect. Private universities would continue to attract the elite, and would pay a premium for their education. Or anyone would have the possibility of free education via the federal system, primarily over the internet.

The Medicare expansion is probably inevitable as we are one of the few remaining western countries without some form of centralized healthcare payment system, and centralized control of prices. Of course the corollary to central control is that administrative costs must be cut including capping hospital CEO income that occurs at the expense of the ill, severe restriction placed on medical malpractice claims, reduction in costs of medical education, curtailing hospital system income, modification of HIPAA, revamping the fee for service system, and reduction of paperwork requirements so physicians can do their primary job. So while Bernie understands part of the future of universal healthcare, it is not clear he grasps the cataclysmic changes in multiple areas of health care that would be required to bring our system in line with other socialized medical systems that do work.

Bernie, as far left as he is, is preferable to Hillary or Trump. But we are not yet even close to the general elections.

Along these lines, do we need students to complete a formal degree in 4-5 years?

I think we, as a society, have to be flexible to change and the first step is to acknowledge what "education" has become. High school is not "education", it's babysitting. College is also not education, it's a rite of passage.

The govt should undo some of the child labor laws that are making it a crime for kids to work. Instead kids are required by law to be babysat. We don't need the govt to provide education, it's already available and it's free. Just like college, some will take advantage, others won't.

In summary, the govt should undo the damage it is doing, rather than do more damage.

 

[Aether2000]

College has already transitioned to the internet but volleges do not reduce their charge for what cost them almost nothing to produce. Anyway most degrees are not wothvery much with 40% of graduates have no job in their area of study after one year and many others took entry level or only peripherally related jobs. The job market is not robust with many have given up.