Best explanation of the liberal mindset I have read

[Ligament]

I found this on Sermo:

"lib mindset is there always,always must be a victim to protect.

Drama triangle....victim (some "oppressed" group, blacks, latino, LGBT, animals).....persecutor (conservatives, white males,corporations) and ....rescuer (liberals)

Why are they always looking to join this triangle? I contend that it has much to do with some sort of personal tragedy in their past, which make then constantly on the lookout to rescue someone."

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[emd123]

Close but with this modification. Someone who perceives they've been victimized is very easy to bribe for votes.

Victimizer: perceived "rich."

Savior: politician.

So-called "victim" of economy: to whom financial entitlements are offered, which can be held as ransom in exchange for their future votes all while perpetuating learned helplessness and entitlement abuse.

Its a time honored strategy, which often is very effective.

 

[powermd]

Just reverse it and you have the neo-con mindset. The rich are the victim to be protected by politicians against all those greedy poor people. Use wedge issues to get enough poor people on your side to stay in power. Time honored strategy.

We go back and forth between these extremes and there's only one winner, the upper 1%.

The whole democrat-republican regime needs to be trashed.

 

[emd123]

Just reverse it and you have the neo-con mindset. The rich are the victim to be protected by politicians against all those greedy poor people. Use wedge issues to get enough poor people on your side to stay in power. Time honored strategy.

We go back and forth between these extremes and there's only one winner, the upper 1%.

The whole democrat-republican regime needs to be trashed.

True.

So which are you closer to, the top 1% or the bottom 1%?

And what do you vote based on, unrealistic ideals of the way things "should be" or based on your interests and the things actually are?

I think that's what it comes down to; vote for your own interest, or spend your vote on someone else's best interest. Pick one.

 

[ampaphb]

Whereas my ethics and morality lead me to vote for the greater good, recognizing that there, but for the grace of God, go I.

 

[Ligament]

True.

So which are you closer to, the top 1% or the bottom 1%?

And what do you vote based on, unrealistic ideals of the way things "should be" or based on your interests and the things actually are?

I think that's what it comes down to; vote for your own interest, or spend your vote on [what you perceive to be] someone else's best interest. Pick one.

I agree with your thoughts, added a modification if you don't mind. One can know their own best interests but only guess at the best interests of others.

 

[powermd]

True.

So which are you closer to, the top 1% or the bottom 1%?

And what do you vote based on, unrealistic ideals of the way things "should be" or based on your interests and the things actually are?

I think that's what it comes down to; vote for your own interest, or spend your vote on someone else's best interest. Pick one.

Good question. It's irrelevant which group I'm closer to. I believe the dem/repub machine runs government to favor their donors in the top 0.1%, so it doesn't really matter which I'm closer to. Only that I'm NOT in that group. And I'm definitely not in the sub-group of the 0.1% that would put me on any politician's radar.

Right now, like most or all of you, I am merely a high wage earner benefiting from what remains of the fee for service income scheme in US health care. It pisses me off that government is monkeying around with my income because I planned my entire career, invested hundreds of thousands of dollars, sweat, life experiences, and lost opportunities on the implicit contract that said a pot of gold awaits those who complete medical training.

I think you set up a false choice when you say "vote your interest, or vote someone else's". What interest are you talking about? My personal short term economic interests? My long term interests as an American? As a human being?

As a physician I'm conflicted because my short term economic interests are definitely not supported by the democratic party. The republican party might support my interests to the extent that they don't cut into the needs of large industrial lobbies that donate to them. But what did GWB do for us? His big contribution to healthcare was a gigantic giveaway to the pharma industry. Maybe if he hadn't done that, CMS wouldn't have as great a desire to cut physicians.

Let me tell you what my primary values are, and perhaps you could point me in the direction of the right political party. I'll try to put them in order.

1) I value my basic freedoms.
2) I value social stability. I wouldn't want to live in one of those countries where everybody is fighting all the time.
3) I value clean air and water.
4) I value a stable climate.
5) I value a strong and broad-based economy (for many, many reasons).
6) I value planning for sustainability of resource utilization because I want my kids and their kids to have a nice life too.
7) I value making a good living as a specialist physician. I want my colleagues in primary care to do well too.