California pharmacists, prepared to lose everything?

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Sorry if I wasn't clear, I wasn't referring specifically to CA water right cases, I was referring to rulings concerning a different type of property usage in a different state where courts had determined & upheld that the language "irrevocable" means 40 years. Things change, and I do believe if a severe drought happened, that there would be lawsuits in CA revisiting the term "irrevocable", and there are other court cases (even if they had originated in other states) that could be used as precedent in deciding that "irrevocable" really doesn't mean "irrevocable". It is folly to think that CA would always uphold a ruling from the 1700's , things change and the way courts interpret matters change (often, though not always, for the better)

Here's a few problems here:

1) These water rights don't hinge on the word "irrevocable," as that was of my choosing while writing for a lay audience. These rights have been litigated either directly or indirectly for the past 300-ish years since their establishment under Spanish and Mexican law.

2) Irrevocable as a word is just that...a word. The facts and merits of a case will always come into play.

But try to put an insurance payout into an irrevocable trust and tell me what happens when you try to revoke it in 40 years.

Pretty sure you'd get laughed out of court trying to invoke a mulligan.

3) Severe droughts have happened before, and the property rights of the successor cities have been well established.

Your conjecture is pure speculation not rooted in any historic case law, but it's an interesting opinion none the less.

Upstream stakeholders would not get judicial relief.

Theoretically, even if we entertain the idea that there's a legislative solution that will withstand Calif. Supreme Court scrutiny, you're forgetting the fact that 2/3 of the State's population lives south of the Grapevine.

Why do you think Northern California is politically powerless with respect to the transfers of water that occur?

The solution is usually killing such projects on environmental review...the problem is, and has been proven in court earlier this year (same case as above), these rights predate the California EPA/state government and are therefore not subject to them.

You'd end up running into the sticky area of property rights which, thankfully so, are strong in the United States (life, liberty, property).

Put another way: Los Angeles and San Diego, please turn off the lights on your way out. You'll be the last ones left if all the water goes dry.

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All this talk now about El Nino coming and causing major floods. Does this mean the drought will be over? Will flooding be a worse problem than a drought?
 
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Digging up an old water rights thread to share what I just saw on Gizmodo:
http://gizmodo.com/the-reservoir-that-made-the-world-pay-attention-to-cali-1742917839

All I can say is...wow.

Yeah it's bad now but... It's been raining as of late and the snow pack has opened the skiing/snowboarding season a month early, and El Niño effects aren't going to influence until January or so.

I think people outside the state think we're struggling so much with water...reality is, it's mostly farming that's been affected, and maybe a few die hard conservationists/martyrs. I think the most we've all had to do was let our front lawns die off (oh, the horror!) or not wash our cars that often--more because you didn't want a water trail leading from your house advertising you're a water hog.

There's plenty of water to drink and do high tech manufacturing ...just water intensive farming with cheap produce gets the shaft (Intel will gladly pay more for that same water to make $$$ processors) I'm still paying like $40/mo for water, I can easily pay quadruple that without cutting back of Starbucks.

Our next problems are going to be floods and mudslides, same as 1997-1998 last time this happened post-drought.
 
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