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Not sure how many of you are applying to DA residency, but I think there are a few of us on this site are. Anyway, here goes.

Program: Loma Linda
Invite date: 9/7/11
Invite mode: email with snail mail later
Interview date 10/19/11 8am LLU dental school no mention of night before or after dinner

Here is hoping all of us applying to our chosen residency get in. Take care

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Congrats!! Anyone hear from NY programs?
 
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Glad to hear that you got an interview at Loma.

No news here on my end.

Hopefully they will start coming in soon

CH
 
Does anybody have any insight on getting accepted to DA? I graduate 2014 So my boards will be pass/fail. I'm not sure where I will need to stand in class rank. I think I am somewhere within the 50th percentile. I was looking into doing a GPR and then applying. Will this help my chances in getting in or am I just too low in class rank? If anyone has any stats regarding any programs that would be great. I know for other residencies OMFS,PEDO etc you need to be in the top 20 percent. I wanted to know if the same applies for DA. Thanks
 
As far as I know DA residency is becoming much more competitive in the past few years and I think this will continue. There is talk about it becoming a recognized specialty and to be honest I think this specialty will continue to grow rapidly. Obviously the higher your class rank the better. However, I know people in OMFS, ortho, and pedo that have mediocre stats. The whole application process for any specialty is such a crap shoot. I mean it was difficult enough just getting in dental school and now it's all the overachievers/gunners (I am kidding guys but you know what I mean) who want to specialize. And I am not even going to talk about the interview process. Anyway, it sounds like your not even half way through dental school so just work hard and see if you can bring up that rank slightly. I would also show as much interest in possible in DA. The Univ of Pitt is a great program and has a more hands on externship so maybe think about doing that. That was a great experience for me. Anyway, not sure if any of this helps but work hard and you'll get in.

Almost forgot. I know alot of the New York programs really look favorably on GPR programs. Some of those programs you start in hospital setting from day one and they would like people to have as much comfort as possible in the hospital. So I think GPR would be a huge help to your application.
 
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As far as I know DA residency is becoming much more competitive in the past few years and I think this will continue. There is talk about it becoming a recognized specialty and to be honest I think this specialty will continue to grow rapidly. Obviously the higher your class rank the better. However, I know people in OMFS, ortho, and pedo that have mediocre stats. The whole application process for any specialty is such a crap shoot. I mean it was difficult enough just getting in dental school and now it’s all the overachievers/gunners (I am kidding guys but you know what I mean) who want to specialize. And I am not even going to talk about the interview process. Anyway, it sounds like your not even half way through dental school so just work hard and see if you can bring up that rank slightly. I would also show as much interest in possible in DA. The Univ of Pitt is a great program and has a more hands on externship so maybe think about doing that. That was a great experience for me. Anyway, not sure if any of this helps but work hard and you'll get in.

Almost forgot. I know alot of the New York programs really look favorably on GPR programs. Some of those programs you start in hospital setting from day one and they would like people to have as much comfort as possible in the hospital. So I think GPR would be a huge help to your application.

This has been going on for years and years.

My personal problem with DA is I have no idea what being a DENTIST does to add to the case. If you're working as an ambulatory DA in a peds office for example, what does it matter if you are a dental anesthesiologist vs a CRNA or an MD anesthesiologist? And if you do what a lot of people with DA training do and practice general dentistry while performing your own sedations then you're no longer practicing as a "specialist" -- hence the argument for not making a DA a recognized specialty...???

Maybe I'm missing something, but I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts.
 
For starters, please consider I am biased source. I am applying to DA residency now and in no way do I want to start any kind of argument, but here is how I see it.

Scope of DA practice.
This is very broad and ranges across the board. From hospital base, to surgery centers, to academia, to private practice. I personally know a resident who just finished his program and was hired as the lead anesthesiologist of a surgery center. His job is to manage and hire the other staff for this surgery center. Obviously, he came from an outstanding program and is a very impressive individual but this is what he is now doing. I have heard of other DA's who practice solely in hospital setting providing anesthesia for the full range of cases (not just dental). I also believe another resident who just finished his program was hired to build a new DA program, but I can not verify this (I only heard this through second hand information). But you are correct, a majority of DA's do private practice and travel from office to office providing different levels of sedation for patients.

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As far as your question about what makes a DA different then a CRNA or MD Anesth, there are in fact numerous differences.
#1. Medicine knows very little about the profession of dentistry. A DA is a Dentist who is also an anesthesiologist. Their knowledge of what the dental surgeon is trying to accomplish is a thousand fold that of any medical provider.
#2. All anesthesiologists’ training MD/DO or DDS/DMD is thoroughly rigorous and all are capable of providing general anesthesia in a clinic setting. However, this is the focus of DA training. There is huge difference between providing general anesthesia in a hospital and then turning the patient over to a nurse in the PACU for who knows how long to providing this service in private clinic where turnover is key.
#3. Many dentists find it very difficult to get a MD anesthesiologist to agree to come to a clinic and provide all of the necessary equipment to provide general anesthesia. Think about it, if you had a great job at a large hospital where everything is provide for you, not to mention the help of CRNAs, PACU nurses, etc why would you consider leaving to practice in a clinic where you would be responsible for everything including equipment?
#4. Many states are now passing sedation laws where the there must be a doctor in the clinic who has general anesthesia (MD or DA) training in order for that clinic to be licensed for deep sedation/general anesthesia. Thus, if you were to use a CRNA the practicing dentist must have this training. This guideline is becoming more and more common.

Why DA as a recognized specialty?
#1. Most of us can agree that the field of dentistry believes it should be in charge of its own guidelines for sedation, general anestesia, etc. Recently, this has come under attack. In fact just recently the ASA (American Society of Anesthesiology) passed a guideline that all moderate sedations now require Endtital CO2 readings. There is an excellent article in Anesthesia Progress (dentistry's anesthesia magazine) about why guidelines for hospital-based anesthesia do not apply directly to clinical dentistry. Furthermore, OMFS has come under scrutiny for practicing in the single sedation/operator model as opposed to medical model where this role is done by two distinct doctors. This despite OMFS superior track record of safety. If dentistry wants to be able to govern their own guidelines for anesthesia/sedation then there must be specialists within the field to lead the way. Having dental anesthesiology as a recognized specialty will protect all dentists who provide sedation whether it is minimal, moderate, or deep. Please remember in some parts of the world no dentists can provide any sedation. American dentistry created anesthesia and we need to be sovereign in our ability to regulate it.

Finally you may ask why not just go to the hospital for people who require deep/general anesthesia?
#1. Cost. The cost difference between providing this service in a clinic and hospital environment is substantial. You are saving your patients an immense amount of money by doing this in a clinic setting. And if the patient insurance is covered by the state you are saving the state the money. You may ask who cares if I save the state money? With some Medicaid reimbursements being so low, I feel if dentistry can show we are saving the state thousands of dollars per case this can be used as rationale to raise reimbursement rates for clinical work provided. This maybe foolish thinking, but why should we waste limited resources when another option with just as safe track record is available?
#2. Patients/Parents of patients do not want to go to the hospital/surgery center. To most people it is scary taking your child to the hospital for surgery. Parents feel comfortable at the dental office and despite the fact that the same procedure is being provided they feel much more comfortable with the dental surgery taking place at the office. Simply, it is a huge practice builder. Not to mention generally it can be months before you can get a patient into a hospital for their dental surgery (greatly improves access to care).
#3. Turnover time. I am not sure about your hospital experience. But the hospital is the most unproductive, beurocratic place there can be. Our profession is about efficiency and no one can turn over a patient like a DA can in your office. I am currently in a dental residency program and the average wait is upwards of 90 minutes once I am done with the procedure before I can began my next patient. The hospital is the definition of inefficacy. Surgery centers are improved from the hospital. However, you cannot imagine the efficiency of this process in your clinic done by a DA.


Like I said at that start I hope this post is informative and in no way do I want to start any kind of argument with any one. Bottom line, I am for anesthesia in dentistry and not just by DAs but by all interested and knowledgeable dentists. It requires different training to provide different levels of anesthesia, but our patients deserve this. Dentistry must remain in charge of their own guidelines for anesthesia..
 
So a DA can work in a hospital setting doing sedations on patients not involving the head and neck? If so, are they limited in their scope of practice like a crna is, or would they have the same privileges as a MD anesthesiologist?
 
For starters, please consider I am biased source. I am applying to DA residency now and in no way do I want to start any kind of argument, but here is how I see it.

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Excellent and timely post, sucstotherescue. While there will be opposition from other dental specialists regarding the recognition of a specialty, the importance for it has risen to a level of importance that we should all begin to recognize.

Children, patients with special needs, and other medically compromised patients have dental needs that can easily been seen by a well trained dentist working with a dentist anesthesiologist. The enabling of this by a specialty will only be of benefit to dentistry as a whole and to our patients.

In terms of education, almost every good IV moderate sedation course for dentists is taught and staffed by dentists anesthesiologists. There exists an argument that a specialty will hinder the use of mild to moderate sedation by general dentists. Thats a bunch of hooey. Look at the textbooks that concern sedation and local anesthesia in dentistry -- authored by dentist anesthesiologists such as Malamed and Yagiela and Rosenberg.

Lets move beyond political bickering and ensure a place for anesthesia in dentistry lest it is taken away from us by someone else.
 
Any news other than Loma Linda?... Stony Brook, Pitt, Lutheran?
 
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Only program I know who has sent out interviews is Loma Linda. However, myself along with the people I know applying for DA residency aren't the sharp tools in the shed so who knows...Its like waiting for water to boil. You just can't watch. If anyone hears anything please post. Again good luck to all of us.
 
So a DA can work in a hospital setting doing sedations on patients not involving the head and neck? If so, are they limited in their scope of practice like a crna is, or would they have the same privileges as a MD anesthesiologist?

This really depends on the state and the hospital. I would say a very small minority of DAs practice in a hospital but it is a possibility. The DAs who I have heard of that practice in hospital functional in the same role as a MD anesthesiologist.... Many of the DA training programs have the DA residents train side by side MD anesth residents. At the program I visited they are looked at and treated as equals. DAs have worked very hard to be viewed in this light and is evident by their training and knowledge. I would really encourage you to visit a program for yourself. The scope of the field is very board. Hope my post answers your question,
 
This really depends on the state and the hospital. I would say a very small minority of DAs practice in a hospital but it is a possibility. The DAs who I have heard of that practice in hospital functional in the same role as a MD anesthesiologist.... Many of the DA training programs have the DA residents train side by side MD anesth residents. At the program I visited they are looked at and treated as equals. DAs have worked very hard to be viewed in this light and is evident by their training and knowledge. I would really encourage you to visit a program for yourself. The scope of the field is very board. Hope my post answers your question,

thank you, very helpful.
 
e- mail invite 9/29
interview dates: 10/25, 10/26 and 11/1, 6 interviews/day 12-5 pm
 
e- mail invite 9/29
interview dates: 10/25, 10/26 and 11/1, 6 interviews/day 12-5 pm

hey smiledr congratulations on the interview

so I saw that you're also applying for OMS...so when you're interviewing at the different programs will you be telling them that you're applying for both? Or will you not bring it up unless asked

also I believe the DA match day is in november/december whereas the OS one is in january...so you're just hoping you match DA and if not you'll try to match OS?

what part of florida do you practice in? are there many DAs in the area?
 
hey smiledr congratulations on the interview

so I saw that you're also applying for OMS...so when you're interviewing at the different programs will you be telling them that you're applying for both? Or will you not bring it up unless asked

also I believe the DA match day is in november/december whereas the OS one is in january...so you're just hoping you match DA and if not you'll try to match OS?

what part of florida do you practice in? are there many DAs in the area?

Smiledr,
Thank you for your post. Glad to know there are some more DA applicants on here. I also got an interview at jacobi. Thinking about the 25th. Looking forward to it and who knows it would be good to meet you. I really enjoy talking with others who are interested in DA.

Now for my little rant. SDN is there to help all of us whether it is dental, medical, vet, etc. The open forums are meant for open discussion between everyone. I think it is best if we do not use these forums for one on one direct questions (especially questions that could be taken a little as acquisitions). I think one of the great things about DA is that you it can lead to such a wide range of careers. Whether it be hospital base practice, surgery center practice, going from office to office practice, acting as operator and sedation doc in your own clinic, leading to pedo, leading to oral surgery, or academia. I just want to encourage friendly open discussion, especially within our small DA world. So thank you Smiledr. I wish you all the luck in your pursuit of your career goals whatever they maybe.

I hope I don't offend anyone with my post. If you have questions or concerns feel free to IM me. Thanks.
 
Anybody got a email confirmation yet from jacobi ? my email keeps bouncing.
 
I have the same problem. I sent an email to [email protected] who is thier contact person for the DA program (got it from the program's website) informing her of this problem. I'll post if I hear something back from her. I am going to give it to Monday and if I hear nothing then I will email the director. I am sure we will hear something though.
 
I heard lutheran made their calls today...did anyone hear what dates those would have been on?
 
Lutheran's dates are Oct. 21 and Oct. 27th. Has anyone been able to get in touch with Ms. Bello or someone else at Jacobi following last week's e-mail?
 
Lutheran's dates are Oct. 21 and Oct. 27th. Has anyone been able to get in touch with Ms. Bello or someone else at Jacobi following last week's e-mail?


Hey, for Ms. Bello, just take out the ".pass" that's after her names and before the @ sign from the e-mail address and it will go through.
 
Finally confirmed with Ms Bello for Nov 1 interview.
 
Jacobi finally got back with me today. I also heard from Pitt (Oct. 21) and Stony Brook (Oct. 28). No alternative dates were offered.
 
Hey thefrog. How did you hear from Pitt? Was really hoping to get an interview there. Great program. Oh well can't win them all.
 
Ya just got rejection email. Really sucks. Great program. Guess you can't win them all. Congrats on people who got interviews there. You will like it there.
 
Yeah, same:(
I thought they interview all who externed, apparently not. Good luck guys.
 
I'm interested in DA, looked at the programs on the website. I've heard good things about programs but do not really know enough to know if one's better than the other. From the post it seems like Pitt and a couple of others, any thoughts on which are the programs that people think are the top ones.
 
Ohio State interview invite by email. Dates Nov 4th and Nov 7th with optional gathering night before. Didn't receive/apply but also heard from reliable source that Toronto sent out interviews late last week.

Congrats to everyone on getting interviews. Not to long until match day.
 
Not sure what everyone else thinks but most of us who have been posting under this topic are just applying now. Thus, we really do not have much first hand experience. I visited Pitt and think it is amazing program. Residents really come out of that program with a vast understanding and experience with all phases, environments, and methods of anesthesia. This is the only program I visited thus really can not say to much about the other programs. I would recommend visiting as many programs as you can to get a better feel for each program.

Finally, I personally believe the most important factor of the training you receive is dependent on the resident/individual not the program. If you work hard you should be able to get what you want out of your training. Sure it helps to have good facilities, exposure to different cases/environments/methods, and great attendings but even the best programs can fail in training a resident who is lazy and unmotivated. Bottom line visit programs, show interest, and the best program is the one you match to. Just my two cents.
 
Not sure what everyone else thinks but most of us who have been posting under this topic are just applying now. Thus, we really do not have much first hand experience. I visited Pitt and think it is amazing program. Residents really come out of that program with a vast understanding and experience with all phases, environments, and methods of anesthesia. This is the only program I visited thus really can not say to much about the other programs. I would recommend visiting as many programs as you can to get a better feel for each program.

Finally, I personally believe the most important factor of the training you receive is dependent on the resident/individual not the program. If you work hard you should be able to get what you want out of your training. Sure it helps to have good facilities, exposure to different cases/environments/methods, and great attendings but even the best programs can fail in training a resident who is lazy and unmotivated. Bottom line visit programs, show interest, and the best program is the one you match to. Just my two cents.

I am in the opposite boat. I really like OSU but I didn't get an invitation. Not sure if they'll be sending a rejection letter. At the end of the day, you're right. It's not what the program makes you, it's ultimately up to you to make the most of it. Best of luck to everyone!
 
Hey let's get the list going here...the programs that have sent out invitations so far are:

-Loma Linda (10/19)
-Stony Brook (10/28)
-Jacobi (10/25, 10/26, 11/1)
-Lutheran (10/21, 10/27)
-Pitt (10/21)
-Toronto (?)
-The Ohio State (11/4 and 11/7)

if I missed one...quote and add
 
Hey let's get the list going here...the programs that have sent out invitations so far are:

-Loma Linda (10/19)
-Stony Brook (10/28)
-Jacobi (10/25, 10/26, 11/1)
-Lutheran (10/21, 10/27)
-Pitt (10/21)
-Toronto (?)
-The Ohio State (11/4 and 11/7)

if I missed one...quote and add

Toronto 11/10
 
Jacobi finally got back with me today. I also heard from Pitt (Oct. 21) and Stony Brook (Oct. 28). No alternative dates were offered.

Was that interview date for the medical track GPR at Stony Brook or the dental anesthesiology program?
 
Was that interview date for the medical track GPR at Stony Brook or the dental anesthesiology program?

The e-mail mentioned that I applied to both programs and that I was offered an interview. It didn't explicitly state that the interview was only for GPR or vice versa. I would assume that their anesthesia slots are going to be filled by the current GPR residents, but you never know.
 
Has anyone heard from UCLA?
 
The e-mail mentioned that I applied to both programs and that I was offered an interview. It didn't explicitly state that the interview was only for GPR or vice versa. I would assume that their anesthesia slots are going to be filled by the current GPR residents, but you never know.

I'm sorry, I just read the email again. I thought because it says GPR, I was only invited for the GPR track. But after looking at it more closely, tt does say both, but it doesn't separate them. I did apply to both.

And, yeah I'm curious about UCLA too. Anyone hear anything?
 
1.) I only got the email from UCLA stating that they'd gotten everything and that I would hear from them soon...nothing since then

2.) The med GPR at Stony Brook is NOT just for people doing DA...i met someone there who was applying to OMFS from the med gpr...and i know that the Program Director of the GPR is not the PD of the DA program

For people doing the Lutheran Interview, did you get a full day of activity for the interview or just a short time slot?
 
Do dental anesthesiology residencies require a GPR
 
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1.) I only got the email from UCLA stating that they'd gotten everything and that I would hear from them soon...nothing since then

2.) The med GPR at Stony Brook is NOT just for people doing DA...i met someone there who was applying to OMFS from the med gpr...and i know that the Program Director of the GPR is not the PD of the DA program

For people doing the Lutheran Interview, did you get a full day of activity for the interview or just a short time slot?

Mine was a short 30 min time slot. What was yours?
 
Yeah same...kinda weird, never heard of 30 min interview...for anything...well maybe bathroom janitor, at burger king :p
 
The interview slot at Lutheran is 30 min bec they are not one on one interviews....it is one interview with a a few interviewers in the room for each candidate. Most places you interview at you will be one on one for 15 or 20 mins or so. It is also nice that you don't have to sit around and waste your whole day waiting for your time to go.

Regarding Stony, I heard that 2 people are going from their gpr track to anesthesia and the other 2 are doing something else. They had a little issue last year with pass/match so they couldnt fill all of their gpr spots with pple who wanted DA. So, what i heard is that stony will take 4 people for their gpr/DA track (and that is correct you dont have to do DA after but if you're not a bad person and horrible basically you will get into their DA program) and 2 people directly into the 2 yr DA program (bec they will be short 2 people). My guess is that for those 2 spots they will fill them with people with work experience or GPR experience. Good luck future colleagues!
 
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