Des Moines University (DMU-COM) Discussion Thread 2014 - 2015

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Thanks, I find it interesting that they keep it so tight lipped. Not sure why it has to be like that, but all well.
They don't have that type of information available on there website because they add new rotations quite a bit and they don't want to mislead people by giving a list of rotation sites that will change by the time they are 3rd/4th years. At least that's what we were told during orientation. Honestly, I didn't see a list of clinical rotation sites at most DO schools I applied to, until interview days were they tell you some of the big ones (mercy, methodist, etc)

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What is it with DO programs and having so many "clinical campuses?" Especially ones in other states.

Most DO schools aren't associated with a university hospital system to my knowledge, like U of Iowa has the University of Iowa Health System and UW-Madison and what not. So they create connections with bigger hospital systems that aren't already university affiliated where they can to provide 3rd and 4th year rotations. That is my speculation at least, so take that with a grain of salt.
 
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Most DO schools aren't associated with a university hospital system to my knowledge, like U of Iowa has the University of Iowa Health System and UW-Madison and what not. So they create connections with bigger hospital systems that aren't already university affiliated where they can to provide 3rd and 4th year rotations. That is my speculation at least, so take that with a grain of salt.
This is why I'm wary of choosing DO. How do you guarantee consistency of rotation quality from year to year when sites are so transient?
 
This is why I'm wary of choosing DO. How do you guarantee consistency of rotation quality from year to year when sites are so transient?

I would say that it depends on the school and their associated systems they are working with. A school like DMU or CCOM or ATSU has been around for a very long time. 100 years or so. I would venture to guess that these schools are pretty good at setting up quality rotation sites. That's just my opinion however.

In my opinion a rotation site is as good as you make it. Yes there will be some sites better suited for students but what you get out of your rotations is what you put into them, period. I think that holds true for anyone, DO or MD. It just depends on how much perceived prestige matters to you, I guess.
 
I would say that it depends on the school and their associated systems they are working with. A school like DMU or CCOM or ATSU has been around for a very long time. 100 years or so. I would venture to guess that these schools are pretty good at setting up quality rotation sites. That's just my opinion however.

In my opinion a rotation site is as good as you make it. Yes there will be some sites better suited for students but what you get out of your rotations is what you put into them, period. I think that holds true for anyone, DO or MD. It just depends on how much perceived prestige matters to you, I guess.
A major difference is traditional/didactic learning vs apprenticeship style. At MD you pretty much only get didactic unless you are on an elective, whereas DO is much more apprenticeship style, particularly at the community hospitals. Some DO hospitals definitely have the didactic style, and some MD hospitals have apprenticeship style, but generally that is the major difference. Is one better than the other? Not necessarily. Would the MD community tell you one is better? Probably, because it is how they were trained and they never experienced another way. As you brought up, it is what you make of it. You can dig through these forums and find many very happy DO students who were at small hospitals and learned an incredible amount and were provided with tons of opportunities to hone in on their craft. Many of these students were first assists in surgery and stuff like that, which is really cool. I can specifically remember students from VCOM-VC commenting on how their small hospital experiences were in fact better than their large hospital experiences. One a side note, I work at an MD school and I can tell you that not all the students are happy with their rotations here. I think in general that people have the same complaints at both MD and DO schools - both for the pre-clinical and the clinical years. I think the one big problem that ever comes up (MD or DO) is that a clerkship opportunity becomes more like shadowing which is NOT what you are supposed to be doing.

A bonus of MD rotations though are size of their hospitals. Most dont open up shop in a town with just one small community hospital. Most set up with huge hospitals, have pretty much every specialty, and a lot more pathology because of more diverse patient base and more critical cases. Just how it goes.... Some DO schools have amazing rotations at very large hospitals. But a lot of the newer (not all) have set up with a very different mindset than MD schools. Remember, the goal of many DO schools (especially these new ones) is to provide primary care doctors in rural or undeserved areas. So that is how they will want to train you.

All things aside though, I agree with what has been stated. DMU has their head on straight when it comes to teaching their students. Even though I dont know exactly where their rotations are, I do indeed trust that they will be strong. Otherwise you would be hearing a lot of bad stuff about their rotations on here.

Just some food for thought.
 
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A major difference is traditional/didactic learning vs apprenticeship style. At MD you pretty much only get didactic unless you are on an elective, whereas DO is much more apprenticeship style, particularly at the community hospitals. Some DO hospitals definitely have the didactic style, and some MD hospitals have apprenticeship style, but generally that is the major difference. Is one better than the other? Not necessarily. Would the MD community tell you one is better? Probably, because it is how they were trained and they never experienced another way. As you brought up, it is what you make of it. You can dig through these forums and find many very happy DO students who were at small hospitals and learned an incredible amount and were provided with tons of opportunities to hone in on their craft. Many of these students were first assists in surgery and stuff like that, which is really cool. I can specifically remember students from VCOM-VC commenting on how their small hospital experiences were in fact better than their large hospital experiences. One a side note, I work at an MD school and I can tell you that not all the students are happy with their rotations here. I think in general that people have the same complaints at both MD and DO schools - both for the pre-clinical and the clinical years. I think the one big problem that ever comes up (MD or DO) is that a clerkship opportunity becomes more like shadowing which is NOT what you are supposed to be doing.

A bonus of MD rotations though are size of their hospitals. Most dont open up shop in a town with just one small community hospital. Most set up with huge hospitals, have pretty much every specialty, and a lot more pathology because of more diverse patient base and more critical cases. Just how it goes.... Some DO schools have amazing rotations at very large hospitals. But a lot of the newer (not all) have set up with a very different mindset than MD schools. Remember, the goal of many DO schools (especially these new ones) is to provide primary care doctors in rural or undeserved areas. So that is how they will want to train you.

All things aside though, I agree with what has been stated. DMU has their head on straight when it comes to teaching their students. Even though I dont know exactly where their rotations are, I do indeed trust that they will be strong. Otherwise you would be hearing a lot of bad stuff about their rotations on here.

Just some food for thought.
Marian will be an interesting school to watch in this respect. Though they are set up to increase primary care physicians, they are only the 2nd school in the state. Their rotations are at some really big hospitals already, and the location in a good size city, with lots of medical facilities gives an interesting opportunity for them to churn out quite a few DO specialists.
All that said, I'm only getting this information from the school directly, but, I think there is potential for it to produce a good mix of both. Similar to Des Moines?
 
Marian will be an interesting school to watch in this respect. Though they are set up to increase primary care physicians, they are only the 2nd school in the state. Their rotations are at some really big hospitals already, and the location in a good size city, with lots of medical facilities gives an interesting opportunity for them to churn out quite a few DO specialists.
All that said, I'm only getting this information from the school directly, but, I think there is potential for it to produce a good mix of both. Similar to Des Moines?
I absolutely agree! The fact that they have an amazing relationship with some huge hospitals in Indiana really gets me excited about any possibility of attending this school. The fact that they are really trying to mimic IU on a lot of things makes me believe that they will be a strong school.
 
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I absolutely agree! The fact that they have an amazing relationship with some huge hospitals in Indiana really gets me excited about any possibility of attending this school. The fact that they are really trying to mimic IU on a lot of things makes me believe that they will be a strong school.
Seems like the state, and local, medical communities really excited about it too. The fact that it is affiliated with a faith based university is interesting, as the faith based community in the state seems really socially conscious.
Sorry to jack your thread Des Moines. You're good too though.
 
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Question for those of you applying this cycle to DMU. When you applied, did you already have your biochemistry course completed/in progress? I ask because I'm planning on applying next cycle unfortunately, I won't be able to take the biochemistry requirement until Fall 2015. The AACOMAS has that section that asks for courses completed or in progress but by the time I plan to fill out my application, I won't be able to list biochemistry as in progress because I wouldn't have actually started the course. I don't want to fill out my AACOMAS and include DMU just to get autorejected because I haven't fulfilled that sole pre-requisites.
 
Question for those of you applying this cycle to DMU. When you applied, did you already have your biochemistry course completed/in progress? I ask because I'm planning on applying next cycle unfortunately, I won't be able to take the biochemistry requirement until Fall 2015. The AACOMAS has that section that asks for courses completed or in progress but by the time I plan to fill out my application, I won't be able to list biochemistry as in progress because I wouldn't have actually started the course. I don't want to fill out my AACOMAS and include DMU just to get autorejected because I haven't fulfilled that sole pre-requisites.

Will you be registered for the course by then? If so , then it should be on your transcript listed under Fall 2015 courses. When you send your transcripts to AACOMAS, they will see that you are planning on taking it. The fact that you won't have technically started the course yet won't matter. They will see that you plan to take it, and count it towards your prereqs.
 
Will you be registered for the course by then? If so , then it should be on your transcript listed under Fall 2015 courses. When you send your transcripts to AACOMAS, they will see that you are planning on taking it. The fact that you won't have technically started the course yet won't matter. They will see that you plan to take it, and count it towards your prereqs.

Thanks so much hawruh.
 
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Interviewing here 9/4. Anyone have hotel recommendations? Just looking for somewhere cheap that I can get a decent night of sleep.
 
Question for any current students or anyone that might know. I have an II for DMU but I have not completed my Biochem req..do I have a chance of being accepted outright or will they wait until I complete the class?
 
Question for any current students or anyone that might know. I have an II for DMU but I have not completed my Biochem req..do I have a chance of being accepted outright or will they wait until I complete the class?

You just have to have it completed by matriculation of 2015. It won't impact your chance of acceptance.
 
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Will you be registered for the course by then? If so , then it should be on your transcript listed under Fall 2015 courses. When you send your transcripts to AACOMAS, they will see that you are planning on taking it. The fact that you won't have technically started the course yet won't matter. They will see that you plan to take it, and count it towards your prereqs.
I didn't even have it on a transcript anywhere that I planned to take it. They just send you a conditions of acceptance email.
 
Any acceptance offers sent from DMU yet?
 
is rural clinical experience required for this school? since one of the questions in secondary asks for it, not a good idea to submit it if I don't have any rural experience?
 
@Fargofargo Yep. Thought my stats were decent for this school, too. Oh well. I guess it ain't over yet.
 
@Fargofargo Yep. Thought my stats were decent for this school, too. Oh well. I guess it ain't over yet.
Don't be discouraged there's a school out there that's looking for you just be patient


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Has anyone interviewed yet?

I have seen rooms reserved for PA interviewees and physical therapy interviewees. I haven't seen any for DO interviewees yet, but I would assume they would start this week, if they didn't start last week. I as well didn't see any last Friday, but I could have missed them due to brain shock from our biochem exam.
 
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Getting excited for interviews! Girls, what are you all wearing? Went suit shopping today, it was harder than I thought it would be :(
 
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just got an ii here! Scheduled for 9/26. Anyone else on that date? I'm so excited...this is one of my top schools!
 
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Getting excited for interviews! Girls, what are you all wearing? Went suit shopping today, it was harder than I thought it would be :(

I know, I just went suit shopping last week! I got both of mine from Macy's. One dark navy suit and one dark grey pinstripe suit...both pantsuits made by Calvin Klein. I had to get them both tailored though since I'm 5'3 and apparently too short to wear business clothes! Haha. There is some good info here too regarding what is/isn't appropriate:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/womens-interview-clothing-3.842732/page-27
 
Getting excited for interviews! Girls, what are you all wearing? Went suit shopping today, it was harder than I thought it would be :(
When r u interviewing? I went suit shopping and it was expensiveeee!!
 
I know, I just went suit shopping last week! I got both of mine from Macy's. One dark navy suit and one dark grey pinstripe suit...both pantsuits made by Calvin Klein. I had to get them both tailored though since I'm 5'3 and apparently too short to wear business clothes! Haha. There is some good info here too regarding what is/isn't appropriate:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/womens-interview-clothing-3.842732/page-27

I know! I'm 5'2" and can't find a thing that fits haha. Thanks for the good info :)
 
Anyone going to be there on September 5th? Where are you staying?
 
II, completed 8/20. GPA of 3.36 and MCAT of 37




Interviewing the 29th as well.

Congrats! Any chance you interested in splitting a hotel (I already have it booked but I'm sure I can have it changed to two queens)? If you are pm me, I promise I don't bite :p. Regardless I look forward to meeting you on interview day!
 
I don't know if I imagined it, but is DMU, along with Oklahoma St., one of two DO schools with its own teaching hospital? Or am I confusing it for another school?
 
I don't know if I imagined it, but is DMU, along with Oklahoma St., one of two DO schools with its own teaching hospital? Or am I confusing it for another school?

They have their own clinic, Im not sure I would call a teaching hospital by definition but we do get to do things like grand rounds and other educational opportunities in the clinic. I'm not sure how big it is in terms of rotations for students. I think most rotations at the clinic are mostly OMM specialized. But I am just a first year, just my two cents.
 
How was the interview for anyone who interviewed today?
 
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Anyone gotten II with no rural clinical experience?
 
I got nothing. I have some clinical experience working at a podiatrists. Then I have about 100 hours of shadowing in a city. Thats all the clinical that I have.

Just got the II a couple days ago, I think I am in the second wave of II's sent.
 
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Anyone gotten II with no rural clinical experience?

You don't need rural clinic experience. It's just viewed positively. It won't hinder you from getting an interview if everything else is solid.
 
I have rural shadowing but not volunteering and I was put on hold. Not sure if they are related.
 
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