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Dismissed from DO School, Want Back In, Need Help!!

Discussion in 'Osteopathic' started by 504girl, 04.12.12.

  1. scotchtapetest

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    I'm really glad you edited that post! I was just about to PM you to suggest that! :thumbup: And I'm not sure how I'm wrong when your own post (#97) says exactly what I said in my post. :confused:

    Summary: I made the point that contrary to what was stated in earlier posts, most medical schools (DO/US MD/Carib) pay for rotations (one way or the other) and Carib schools pay much, much, much more while DO schools and US MD schools pay a similar rate (whatever that is) again contrary to what was stated in earlier posts regarding DO schools. It appears that you now agree as well. :thumbup:

    Now let's get back to the OP's dilemma!
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  2. MeatTornado

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    again i will reiterate that i was talking about schools OP might possibly have a chance of getting into (carib schools) .....so it seems we all agree on my actual point that accepting her would not be an economically motivated decision for these carib schools since they won't be profitting off of her.

    OP obviously has no chance in the US MD or DO realm, and IMHO I think she should start looking at another career, allowing herself to fail both COMLEX and step 1 three times is simply unacceptable. Should've done much more the second and third time around and taken any steps necessary to ensure a pass (for instance going to Falcon's sleep away step 1 study camp and hearing the words come right out of Goljan's mouth)
  3. DocEspana

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    I agree there.
  4. DocEspana

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    Yea. I was trying to make some points of clarification on where money goes. when its earned. how its distributed. But its mostly irrelevant. You're more or less the only person I wanted to have read it. You did. And I'm glad I edited it (and glad you would have suggested it as well). We are pretty much in alignment here. I was just nitpicking details because, well, its what I do.

    And I'm seriously curious what the OP decided to do. Was it stated somewhere?
  5. MeatTornado

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    She seems pretty dead-set on taking the COMLEX for a fourth time to prove she can pass but as someone stated it likely won't be possible since you have to get certified by your school to take the test.
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    I think she said she was able to register. Whether it will actually count or not, I have no idea.
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    I think you only need to be in good standing for initial approval. Since the system is automated, I think people can just re-register without much interference. There was someone from my school who failed it at least 3 times and was dismissed but was able to retake it at least once before anyone figure it out. I have no idea if he passed, but the problem after this is that he would not be able to take any further levels.

    I really think the OP is wasting both time and money and I wish people would be more realistic. Even if s/he passes, the OP is still not enrolled in any medical school and there is a 0% chance anyone is willing to allow him/her to take a spot away from someone who has not demonstrated such difficulty or fill one of the very few holes left due to attrition; schools are only accredited for a finite number of spots in each class. The likelihood that the OP could pass any of the additional steps is extremely low and not worth the risk, as it lowers any school's statistics. As others have pointed out, the OP's ability to obtain a permanent medical license is also limited to only a handful of states.

    IF a miracle happens and the OP is able to enroll into another school, pass the coursework, and pass the remaining exams, s/he is only able to apply for an internship/residency in a very limited number of states in pretty much only FP, IM, and maybe Psych. I have been involved in the selection of our incoming residents at my program and I can tell you that we have rejected people in less dire circumstances than the OP. I would not accept this person for training.
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  8. scotchtapetest

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    Per NBOME rules, you have to be eligible (e.g. be in good standing) on the DAY of the exam. In fact you have to electronically certify that prior to starting the exam. Now, whether the system has been updated to reflect her dismissal or not, that's another issue (I'm sure it has been by now); also each time one fails, they have to have their deans office re-certify their eligibility. Also, she would be in violation of NBOME policy if she ever retakes it prior to being re-admitted.
  9. SpecterGT260

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    how many tests is that total? It should be noted that many states have limits on how many times you can take the test and still be eligible for licensing. COMLEX in many cases has no limit, but to have failed USMLE so many times.... if she attempts step2 with similar outcomes she wont get a license anyways
  10. Roguelyn

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    It's time to look at a new career path. I can't think of any residencies that would even look at an application with that many failure on it. OP needs to admit to some responsibility here as well. Sounds like he's young, and can do something else.
  11. DOWay

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    I'm pretty sure this is state dependent. She should be fine in certain states.
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    This was exactly what I was thinking. For whatever reason, COMLEX Level 2 tends to really trip up people who had any trouble with COMLEX I. It's tricky. People who have failed and successfully retaken COMLEX I (or even those who barely passed it) have often had real trouble passing COMLEX 2.

    With a speed bump like this on the horizon, I'd be leery of trying to restart medical school until and unless you can identify a clear and rectifiable problem that is keeping you from doing well.
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    I have nothing bad to say. Certainly, your determination and perseverance is impressive. I also know better than to tell anyone what they can and can't do. What I do want to comment on is in regards to your passion to help people.While you are undoubtedly heavily emotionally (and financially and energetically) involved with this regardless of how this situation turns out remember that your passion and heart for people really can be done no matter what profession you choose. Being a physician is an excellent way but no career has an upper hand on this. Best wishes to you.
  14. FutureCTDoc

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    You should give up, you failed the exams multiple times, remediated repeatedly and have proven unable to complete the academics necessary to be a physician. It may sound harsh, but it is true. Imagine you were a patient how confident would you be if you were told your doctor had failed the licensing exams multiple times?
  15. Bacchus

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    Patients don't ask nor are they explicitly told. You are being harsh. Until you're actually in medical school, regardless of your situation, you cannot imagine what the poster is going through. It's easy to cast stones as a medical student, easier as a premed.

    Your tact is lacking. Cut the poster a break. Sheesh.
  16. SpecterGT260

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    I wanted to say the same thing but had hoped this thread would die :smuggrin: Odds are the OP will not succeed in this. That is just a simple running of the numbers. But that is why we have these tests and selection processes, so that patients do not have to worry about what this kid is suggesting :thumbup:

    class o 2017? some special program or overly optimistic? not even gunna graduate undergrad before the mayans come back and kill us all :eek:
  17. FutureCTDoc

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    Don't shoot the messenger, what med school would take someone who has been kicked out for repeatedly failing classes, failed the COMLEX and USMLE, when they could take someone who hasn't had a chance yet? I doubt you need to be in med school to imagine that the OP isn't cut out for this, you don't need to have had cancer to treat it.
  19. SpecterGT260

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    well then in all sincerity I hope you dont eat your words to the OP. I always worry about kids in combined programs unless the requirements are as stringent as regular admission to med school. Undergrad simply does not compare.
  20. FutureCTDoc

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    Minimums are 24 (no less than 7), 3.1 I'm above that though
  21. SpecterGT260

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    you dont have to prove it to me ;)
  22. johnnydrama

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    I would hope so. Those would be miserable numbers.
  23. Memorex

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    says the one not even in med school...

    Gimme a break.
  24. FutureCTDoc

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    Ad hominems don't change reality
  25. SpecterGT260

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    depends... an ad hominem is somewhat subjective.... credibility of a statement can change acceptance of someone else's perceived reality. we waxing too philosophical now?
  26. MaximusMeridius

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    strong first post :thumbup:

    i.e. he may call it an ad hominem. others may interpret it as a statement questioning his credibility rather than a personal attack. The "reality" he states is reliant on his credibility.
  28. FutureCTDoc

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    I disagree that attendance in med school means one is or isn't qualified to comment on this.
  29. johnnydrama

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    Silence young Padawan. Let the Jedi decide her fate.
  30. SpecterGT260

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    yes, your disagreement was not in question :thumbup::laugh:
  31. FutureCTDoc

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    OP might consider requesting a masters from her med school often they will give a Masters in Biomedical Science, that way that will be in a better place than they are now.
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    that is news to me :confused:
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    I've known some schools have granted masters after completion of the first two years if people leave, that said the people I know who have done this have left in good standing.
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    i believe he was being sarcastic. this horse has been beaten to death and OP has gotten enough insight by now. good luck to her with whatever she decides to do.
  35. DocEspana

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    He is still right though. This is the wrong time to pull the "shut up pre-med" card.
  36. jumpmanv15

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    Really? That seems kind of low. I was a BS/DO at NYIT/NYCOM and the requirements for my year were 3.5 GPA and 26 on MCAT, which were decent requirements but still lower than regular admission (Non-program students) on average. This years incoming class has 3.5 per semester GPA and 27/28 (always increasing almost yearly) on the MCAT.

    Good luck though, I'd be straight chillen with those requirements, enjoy these days :thumbup:
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    Ha! I had originally posted something asinine then decided to redact it.
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    You are suggesting that individuals who have remediated courses, repeated a year, or had to retake the boards are unable to become functional physicians?

    We can't predict the OP's future, but if her life goal is to become a physician, who are we to say no to trying to get readmitted? It's her life. Seems like she doesn't care whichever residency she gets even if its FP in the middle of nowhere.

    So, yes 99% that this is the end of the medical road for her, but I'd never say it is impossible.
  39. SpecterGT260

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    underlined: having done one of these once is not the same as doing it multiple times. To be frank, yes, people who repeatedly fail boards are incapable of becoming functional physicians..... because the law forbids them from getting licensed. simple as that

    B/I/U: she asked.... but we shouldnt get caught up in the idealistic belief that "dreams and positive thinking" is all that it takes. I could set my goal to be a fighter pilot. At 6'2" and 230 lbs no amount of hard work will necessarily get me there. They make those jets for little guys :( so I will settle for being a doctor i guess *sniff*
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    I'm with you, and agree completely. But there are still people who refuse to give on "dreams and positive thinking" and they are entitled to live their life in such an idealistic manner if that's the only thing that makes them happy.

    I think almost everyone here is telling her to get a new career, including me, but ultimately, its her choice. Let her prove us wrong if she wants - she has that right.
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    so.... we are saying this thread should be allowed to die before another noob comes in here and screams "GO BE A PLUMBER!", right? :laugh:
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    I wouldn't hire the OP as my plumber either. :smuggrin:
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    If a plumber failed to declog my toilet 3 times I certainly wouldn't give him a fourth try. No matter how close they came to meeting my minimum declogging standards.

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    Look, even if the OP finds a school willing to give him another chance, he won't be able to find a residency slot.
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    I didn't read through the entire thread, but it seems like you retook COMPLEX a 4th time? I hope you passed, and I hope you don't have problems on all the upcoming boards and licensing exams. If you fail those multiple times and get dismissed in 4th year/residency, you'll have even more debt than if you had just quit earlier.
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    Hope OP updates this thread with outcome.
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    I'm going to set up a filter that automatically ignores any post on this forum that has the word COMPLEX capitalized and utilized as the name of the board exam. Those threads just immediately lose all credibility to me. I guess it's an honest mistake on a pre-DO forum, but it just makes me gag a little every time I see it on this forum.
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    Or you could just stop fighting it and come up with a snazzy P to put in there
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    I feel so bad for what has happened to you, and in fact I had at least 4 friends (and more), who experienced the same fate as you? however there is one thing that many students failed to understand when taking these board examinations, the USMLE states that a student has "7 yrs to complete all of USMLE I, II, and III" and these examinations are scheduled perfectly to maintain "7 yrs), i.e. USMLE I is after 2nd year of medical school, USMLE II is by the fourth year, thus leaving a person 3yrs to pass USMLE III ( Once you take USMLE I, the 7yr time frame starts), most people take USMLE III after their first or second year of residency, thus leaving one extra year to complete the "7 yr time frame" as required by National Medical Board of Examiners/Examinations? I learned about that "7yr time frame" when may of my friends, were given a 4th time to take USMLE I and had passed, BUT had to end up going back to medical school and repeating their first AND second year, because otherwise they would have not had adequate time to complete USMLE II and III? Does that make sense? of the ones that went back to repeat their first and second years of med school (4), only one actually was able to graduate?
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