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Did UW (washington) ever take someone in their categorical program? I just know of a primary care match.
Not a bad list. But, as a DO who just matched into one of these programs and interviewed at a lot of them, I'll throw in my two cents.
Tier 1a:
UPenn, UWash, Yale, UTSW,
Tier 1b:
Mayo, Brown, UVa, Wake Forest, Dartmouth, OHSU, Wisconsin, Colorado, Emory, Baylor
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Tier 2a:
Iowa, Ohio State, Rochester, Indiana, Minnesota, Georgetown, Temple, RWJ, Utah, VCU, Tulane, UF-Gainesville
Tier 2b
UVM, Rush, UIC, Loyola, UMDNJ-Newark, UCDavis, MCW, Penn State, UT-Houston, UT-San Antonio, USC
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Tier 3a:
UMiami, UMass, MUSC, New Mexico, Cincinnati, Kentucky, GWU, Louisville, CCF, Tennessee, USF, Nebraska, Creighton, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Stony Brook, Upstate, Arizona, LSU, Hofstra North Shore-LIJ
Tier 3b:
Kansas, MCG, UConn, St. Louis, Wayne State, Texas Tech, Mississippi, Missouri, Loma Linda,
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Tier 4a:
Downstate, Drexel, Albany, Buffalo, Howard, St. Louis, ECU, UTMB
Tier 4b:
SIU, EVMS
In the end, you'll be fine if you match at any of these programs (and many other university programs) if that's where you want to be.
FSU is a brand new IM program and didn't take DOs when I last looked; maybe their policy has changed, but it's almost entirely FMGs anyways. UCF hasn't even started their IM residency yet.
Other university programs that take DOs, but don't fit into any tier: South Dakota, South Alabama, Western Michigan, VT-Carilion, Mercer, ETSU
Did UW (washington) ever take someone in their categorical program? I just know of a primary care match.
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 'primary care match?' I'm aware f the difference between a categorical and a preliminary match, but I've never seen 'categorical match' used in this context.
I just don't get this. There seem to be quite a few IM programs that consist almost entirely of IMGs/FMGs and have no DOs. IM seems to be the only speciality that is like this.
How important are sub-i at these university IM programs?
Well, these places are FMG factories for a reason...usually because they're malignant or of lower quality. You're better off not matching there.
FSU is a brand new IM program and didn't take DOs when I last looked; maybe their policy has changed, but it's almost entirely FMGs anyways.
Funny how IM, though less competitive overall than anesthesiology, seems to be less-DO friendly than the latter. Especially since some of these IM programs have a good number of IMGs and FMGs.
Actually, IM and anesthesia have the same board scores and this includes all those ****ty community IM programs.
Realistically anesthesia isn't very competitive at all and it's interest is waning.
Aside from the crap facing every specialty, why is this? CRNA's taking over? Allegedly it's one if the higher paying specialties, still.
According to FREIDA, there are 137 university programs in the country. Some of the places that I have personally not heard of DOs matching into (and I could be wrong):
Duke, Michigan, WashU, MGH, BID, UCLA, Stanford, Northwestern, UCSF, UChicago, JHU, Maryland, Tufts, BWH, NYU, Mount Sinai, Columbia, Cornell, UNC, UPMC, Vanderbilt.
Did UW (washington) ever take someone in their categorical program? I just know of a primary care match.
When I was a clinical research assistant at Stanford University Medical Center in 2009, I saw a resident who is a DO.
If I remember correctly, JHU has had DO's in the past also, quite consistently too
I don't think I have seen one, from my experience. They appear to be very DO unfriendly, so is the entire Pacific northwest
This is true. UW will probably never take a DO in their IM program. OHSU will though.
Bayview
This is true. UW will probably never take a DO in their IM program. OHSU will though.
If I remember correctly, JHU has had DO's in the past also, quite consistently too
Only Osler is considered "real" JHU. I know a DO who matched Sinai (JHU affiliate). He brags about being a Hopkins trained doc, but never mentions Sinai. While technically correct, it's intentionally misleading because there's a huge difference between Osler and the rest.
Only Osler is considered "real" JHU. I know a DO who matched Sinai (JHU affiliate). He brags about being a Hopkins trained doc, but never mentions Sinai. While technically correct, it's intentionally misleading because there's a huge difference between Osler and the rest.
Aside from the crap facing every specialty, why is this? CRNA's taking over? Allegedly it's one if the higher paying specialties, still.
Only Osler is considered "real" JHU. I know a DO who matched Sinai (JHU affiliate). He brags about being a Hopkins trained doc, but never mentions Sinai. While technically correct, it's intentionally misleading because there's a huge difference between Osler and the rest.
Sinai is garbage, but Bayview is actually pretty legit. It's competitive in its own right and attracts a lot of well-qualified US MD applicants.
What's sad is that in Seattle, the general public seems to value/ understand naturopaths more than they value us DO's.
The osler residents run the MICU and CICU
Is this commonplace and if so do other programs allow 2nd years this kind of experience?
I matched into tier 2a, for the record.
Tier 1a:
UPenn, UWash, Yale, UTSW,
Tier 1b:
Mayo, UVa, Dartmouth, OHSU, Wisconsin, Colorado, Emory, Baylor
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Tier 2a:
Iowa, Ohio State, Rochester, Indiana, Minnesota, Temple, RWJ, Utah, VCU, Tulane, UF-Gainesville, Brown, Wake Forest
Tier 2b
UVM, Rush, UIC, UCDavis, MCW, UT-Houston, UT-San Antonio, USC, Georgetown
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Tier 3a:
UMiami, MUSC, New Mexico, Cincinnati, Kentucky, GWU, CCF, Tennessee, USF, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Stony Brook, Upstate, Arizona, LSU, Hofstra North Shore-LIJ, UMDNJ-NJMS, Loyola
Tier 3b:
Kansas, MCG, UConn, St. Louis, Wayne State, Texas Tech, Mississippi, Missouri, Loma Linda, Penn State, UMass, Louisville
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Tier 4a:
Downstate, Drexel, Albany, Buffalo, Howard, St. Louis, ECU, UTMB, Nebraska, Creighton
Tier 4b:
SIU, EVMS
My own take on the list, given my experiences on the trail this year. I matched into tier 2a, for the record.
Though technically not a university program...
But, does anyone know more about the Scripps Mercy program? And how DO friendly they are?
Thanks!
I hear that as a DO there you have to be a good surfer. Just kidding...no idea. They do require USMLE when I emailed them, but they didnt express that they wouldn't take an osteopathic grad when I mentioned it.
Is it suggested to take USMLE step 2 ck early to keep up with the other applicants at these top tier programs? It can also be another reason to prove to the program director that I am qualified?
Absolutely, if you're confident that you can crush it. A high USMLE step 2 score looks great on any residency application, especially if you didn't do too well on step 1. If you can get your score back before the application opens up, and your step 1 score is average or below average, I would suggest that you take the exam.
my step 1 score was ~250, does that change anything?
How important is doing sub I early in the application process? It seems that all the sub-i I applied for were rejected and I've been given an internal medicine subspecialty instead. At least these electives are still in the same hospital...
If i work hard on my electives and get a LOR from the attending, would that be a close 2nd to doing a subi?
hi thethethe (lol),
someone asked that and i found this helpful:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=13996521
Anyone know about Kaiser Santa Clara? On their website it shows that they have taken a fair amount of DOs in the past, but this last year they took no DOs and all of the people they did take came from fairly prestigious MD schools. Maybe just an anomaly?
Though technically not a university program...
But, does anyone know more about the Scripps Mercy program? And how DO friendly they are?
Thanks!
I just want to say thank you all for posting on this thread. Its very informative and very helpful in general. Thanks guys.