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"These people often end up in emergency rooms instead of at a dental office, says author and health care activist Wendell Potter. The Pew Center on the States estimated that in 2009, more than 830,000 visits to emergency rooms were for preventable dental conditions. This was a 16% increase from 2006."

16% increase in 3 years?
I wonder if the skyrocketing percentage of the population addicted to pain meds (both rx and illegal such as heroin) is related to this in any way. Maybe drug seekers have realized that because ER physicians aren't trained in oral health, they can feign terrible tooth pain and get a few rx pain pills (along with orders to see a dentist during regular business hours), at least if there is no dentist on call for that hospital. Just a thought.

Also, this article assumes that the population that goes to the ER with dental pain would have gone to a dentist for regular preventive care if there were one nearby. How do we know that these people aren't just of the school of thought that if they aren't in pain, they don't want to waste their money at a dentist's office? This would be a separate issue not related to a shortage of dentists.

Not accusations, and not blame, just wondering if these possibilities have been ruled out before everyone jumps on the "there's a shortage, we need midlevels" train. I think what we really need is better reimbursement rates and Medicare/Medicaid coverage, along with more funding for programs like NHSC (or lower tuition of course, but as long as the federal govt is profiting off the student loan interest, that's extremely unlikely).

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There a some dental videos for predents/current dental students on dentalmaverick.com

This guy is a general dentist who makes a good income IN a saturated market. He has done it and gives some tips or ideas to maybe refresh the brain. I believe it's more of the positive outlook vs comparing one's own practice or self with others that can either hinder or propel someone to success. My two cents.
 
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You can be the best clinician on the planet but if you are a terrible businessperson, in our field, you will probably not do so great.


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You can be the best clinician on the planet but if you are a terrible businessperson, in our field, you will probably not do so great.


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Can always go corporate and just produce. :/
 
OP is 100% correct. Here in NY good luck setting up a practice. I am not kidding, where I live there are about 5 dentists on almost each block.

Competition is fierce, saturation is REAL, and private equity Giants are buying out every practice and consolidating. Remember that corporations have economies of scale and are able to drive down prices to squeeze out competition. I'm not saying it's impossible to succeed, but times are different and with huge loans, decreasing reimbursement, saturation, technological innovation/CE training, and tuition rising much faster than the rate of real inflation.. It will be much harder for the new age of dentists.

To overcome these issues: location, business sense (success in dentistry = 80% business model, 20% service quality), skill and speed, niche.

The key to success is to have a realistic view of the market and adapt accordingly. To disregard these issues because it makes you feel better and reaffirms your decision is a big mistake and you will learn it the hard way sooner or later.

Dentistry is still an excellent profession for the right person. Do it for the passion, or pick something else.

Best to all and good luck in the real world.

You would also need to factor in recession time. During the great depression, hardly any dentist made it to survive. No kidding.
 
You would also need to factor in recession time. During the great depression, hardly any dentist made it to survive. No kidding.

Unfortunately, this is the nature of doing business. Economies/businesses are not static. They are constantly going through peaks and troughs and that is just the reality.
We must shy away from the idea that earning a degree entitles us to wealth. This is an extraordinarily dangerous mindset to hold and I feel from personal experience that many pre-pro students think like this.
 
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Try 800k+ on the physician side. Orthopods in some specialties are starting at $450k in some locations. The top earners in medicine are making around 1 million annually. There isn't a PA in this country that comes anywhere near that earning potential.

There are also very few physicians who earn that.
 
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It's not really a straight path. You need to have 2 years of acute care nursing and that's difficult to get before applying. I have a friend who graduated with a good GPA and is still stuck in a nursing home. Though it's been less than a year.
 
Since this thread is most likely impacting people who could potentially have a great career in dentistry I would like to point something out. Dentistry is just like every other aspect of life. There are average people and their are great people. A lot of posts here are most likely from people who are average in a lot of other areas of their life. Many dental students get by and graduate after completing the minimum requirements which leaves them totally unprepared for dentistry. Others do the maximum and are ready soon after they graduate. The choice is yours. A lot of dental school is self learning which isn't realized by most until after they graduate. There is also something to be said about the number of people who struggle to communicate effectively with others. This includes crafting relationships, finding common ground, building trust, etc. - all things necessary in dentistry to make your patient feel comfortable (makes sense studying science in the library for 12 years). Never take anything anyone says as fact, including what i'm saying. Simply form your own opinion and realize that if you strive to be great you will be great. That doesn't come easy and it doesn't come fast. But if you enjoy the process and are a good person you will reap the benefits of an awesome profession such as dentistry.
 
I think I should just make an " Ask Fancy" thread in pre-dent and leave it up.


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Be careful what you wish for. For each legitimate question you'd have 12 or 13 stupid questions (yes there is such a thing as a stupid question, as so gloriously demonstrated here)
Ok ok let me start:
How much money does a dentist make a year?
 
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Stupid Q#2: Are you guaranteed a job after graduating dental school??
 
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This is a very helpful thread.
 
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Stupid question #4.

Will my parents look down on me for going to dental school when everyone else in my family is CardioThorastic-DermaNuerologist surgeon?
 
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My turn...

SQ5: I didn't get into med school this cycle and I think mouths are super disgusting, but I've heard it's easier to get into dental school and dentists make a lot of money. Should I go to dental school? What tier of dental school should I apply to with a 2.7 gpa? Like middle tier?
 
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You're all making me laugh really hard at work, my dad is wondering what's going on


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SQ7:

Are dentists REAL doctors? I would like to be called "Dr." when I'm in the office or out in society.
 
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SQ7:

Are dentists REAL doctors? I would like to be called "Dr." when I'm in the office or out in society.


I honestly try to not tell people in social situations what I do.
It inevitably turns into one of the following annoying/awkward situations-

"Dentists overcharge everyone! You must make a lot of money!"

"My dentist did xyz and it doesn't feel right, can you take a look at it for free??? Preferably RIGHT NOW??"

"Wait...you can write prescriptions right? Can you give me the good stuff???"

Facepalm


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Hey guys I just want to put in my 2 cents. So pretty much in this day and age all fields are saturated, it all matters on how good you will be as an individual to your patients and how fast you are. I've been a dental assistant for four years or so, and im applying to dental school. I worked at the same dental clinic for 2 years not, and its 60% Russian clients, and the 40% is mixed. Allot of state insurance patients but if the state patients end up needing crown and bridges and so on, they end up paying cash wich is still very good. On an average day the clinic maxed aprox 5,000$ (a day). The doctor once told me that he makes 60% profit (net) from the clinic daily. And so in two days the doc makes 6k, he is open 5 days a week. Thats approximately 60k a month. This clinic is crazy busy, booked on usually atleast a month ahead if not two. Honestly its all up to the dentist and how he runs his clinic, also knowing what expenses to write off on your clinic, that way you wont be paying crazy taxes. Ether way Im going in to dental because i LOVE this profession, not just for the money. So dental it self in not saturated.
 
I honestly try to not tell people in social situations what I do.
It inevitably turns into one of the following annoying/awkward situations-

"Dentists overcharge everyone! You must make a lot of money!"

"My dentist did xyz and it doesn't feel right, can you take a look at it for free??? Preferably RIGHT NOW??"

"Wait...you can write prescriptions right? Can you give me the good stuff???"

Facepalm


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LOL I think I may just hand out free toothbrushes and floss in the future and say, "This is the MOST affordable dental procedure and it only takes about 4-5 mins every morning and night!"
 
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Hey guys I just want to put in my 2 cents. So pretty much in this day and age all fields are saturated, it all matters on how good you will be as an individual to your patients and how fast you are. I've been a dental assistant for four years or so, and im applying to dental school. I worked at the same dental clinic for 2 years not, and its 60% Russian clients, and the 40% is mixed. Allot of state insurance patients but if the state patients end up needing crown and bridges and so on, they end up paying cash wich is still very good. On an average day the clinic maxed aprox 5,000$ (a day). The doctor once told me that he makes 60% profit (net) from the clinic daily. And so in two days the doc makes 6k, he is open 5 days a week. Thats approximately 60k a month. This clinic is crazy busy, booked on usually atleast a month ahead if not two. Honestly its all up to the dentist and how he runs his clinic, also knowing what expenses to write off on your clinic, that way you wont be paying crazy taxes. Ether way Im going in to dental because i LOVE this profession, not just for the money. So dental it self in not saturated.

We were supposed to be adding relevantly stupid questions to this thread. Way to destroy the SQ party. I kid with you. Good luck!

SQ6: I'm 16 years old but know that I'm going to do OMFS, so which kind of BMW is best for me? Do I really have to work 4 days a week?

SQ6a. As an OMFS, what kind of salary range am I looking at? I heard they make like $250,000 to $300,000.
 
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We were supposed to be adding relevantly stupid questions to this thread. Way to destroy the SQ party. I kid with you. Good luck!



SQ6a. As an OMFS, what kind of salary range am I looking at? I heard they make like $250,000 to $300,000.


They must be doing something wrong if that's all they're making


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I honestly try to not tell people in social situations what I do.
It inevitably turns into one of the following annoying/awkward situations-

"Dentists overcharge everyone! You must make a lot of money!"

"My dentist did xyz and it doesn't feel right, can you take a look at it for free??? Preferably RIGHT NOW??"

"Wait...you can write prescriptions right? Can you give me the good stuff???"
I agree. I am just a dental student and even all the encounters I have with strangers are pretty much what you described (except the last one).
Hairdresser, uber drivers, airport security, etc, all asks me what I study since I look like a college student.

And it's not just real life situations either. So many people (I see on reddit especially) are just straight up ANGRY that dentists charge them so much/earn so much. It gets even worse if people try to explain it to them that it is 4 years and 400k student debt. Because when students/dentists put it that way, it really makes it sound like you're cheating them just to cover your debt (while they feel like dentists are being entitled to the cash in their pockets, they also think that they are entitled to the dentist's dollars :shrug:).

People in this society are just uncomfortable with the idea of riches and wealth; there is a very abusive relationship with money. It's not their fault, but as high income earning professionals (even though take home isn't that great) it is something we should be mindful of.
 
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I honestly try to not tell people in social situations what I do.
It inevitably turns into one of the following annoying/awkward situations-

"Dentists overcharge everyone! You must make a lot of money!"

"My dentist did xyz and it doesn't feel right, can you take a look at it for free??? Preferably RIGHT NOW??"

"Wait...you can write prescriptions right? Can you give me the good stuff???"

Facepalm


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I told my friends I got into dental school (haven't even started yet) and I basically get the top 2 of these questions already... The second one modified to be "my dentists does xyz. Make sure you don't do that!"
 
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Oh but I also have a SQ8:
Should I go into dentistry? Is it saturated?
 
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How about Stupid Statements?

SS1- I have an infection around my tooth?? Can that turn into cancer in my brain??

SS2- If I lose weight, will my gums lose weight too?




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How about Stupid Statements?

SS1- I have an infection around my tooth?? Can that turn into cancer in my brain??

SS2- If I lose weight, will my gums lose weight too?




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Lol those are both still questions :laugh:
 
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How about Stupid Statements?

SS1- I have an infection around my tooth?? Can that turn into cancer in my brain??
No, but it could end up in the brain and end up killing you much faster than cancer. So I guess it isn't THAT nutty
 
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SQ
"I am an internationally trained OMFS/Endo/Perio/Ortho specialist. Do any of you 21 year old predents know what I need to do to be a dentist in America?"
 
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"I am an internationally trained OMFS/Endo/Perio/Ortho specialist. Do any of you 21 year old predents know what I need to do to be a dentist in America?"

"If I help you, can I put this on my resume?"
 
SQ Again:

I have a 4.0 GPA and got a 28 on the DAT. I have about 1,000,000 hours of shadowing and 1,000,000 hours of volunteering. I started a non profit organization and have been a dental assistant for 10 years. I discovered how to cure cancer and wrote a research thesis on it. My first word was actually "tooth." What are my chances of getting into dental school?
 
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