I'm just saying that most MS-3s don't get to do as many procedures (much less by themselves) as you got to. Maybe top-tier schools are different though.
I don't know what doing procedures has to do with an overall MS3 experience. The purpose of doing procedures as a student or seeing them is to lay a foundation for further refinement of skills, hardly what the average student needs (or any student for that matter). If "doing procedures" is what you consider the "good part" of being an MS3, of course you are going to be miserable. My observation of a couple dozen MS3s on the surgical service is that the ones that aren't having a good time fall into 3 categories.
#1 Someone was mean to them (another student, resident, attending, nurse etc.) some of it which has no place in any work setting, but a lot of which is very normal in any work environment, but they have never actually spent time as a non-professional student so they are a little overly sensitive.
#2 The classic, "I want a 9-5 that pays well and people respect me for it, but really I just want the money and weekends off."
#3 People who can not self study or have never learned outside of the classroom and taken ownership of their own knowledge and skills.
#1 is the institution's fault. It is about managing expectations and stamping out the truly malignant behavior/attitudes.
#2 Not sure what to do with these people, tbh.
#3 is by far the most common. Some people call it entitlement, but it really isn't. It is a fundamental flaw in how we select our students. Take the latest group of 3 interns I was working with at a neighboring institution a week ago. Only one of the 3 could do what would pass as a decent H&P. The other two essentially needed to be taught everything from scratch. Yes, they knew the structure: CC, HPI, PMH, PSH, FamHx, SocHx etc. But, when it came to actually gathering information effectively or having some sort of focus in their HPI or PE, it was obvious that they really hadn't practiced as a medical student. These are all students coming from "Top 15" schools. I'm not talking about having a perfect H&P or even having a really good one. I'm talking about a general attitude of, my H&P is the bread and butter of the rest of my career in 95%+ of physician jobs, maybe I need to do more than the minimum to develop this skill while I'm in medical school.
I let my students do more stuff if they demonstrate that they a) actually care about what they are doing for the sake of the patient and b) care enough about their own skill sets that they work to improve them. I certainly can't speak for any other residents, but in my experience, this is a pretty well shared belief. Yes, procedures are in short supply in many institutions for students. But, if that is what you really want, there are always opportunities to setup rotations at places where that isn't a problem. And, as previously stated, that isn't the purpose of MS3 or what should fulfill students in MS3.
Really? You don't think if a premed who deifies medicine would change their mind about going into medicine if they watched a video of an MS-3 as they go thru different clinical rotations?
