Early clinicals, not associated with md/do school

[luckyfeet]

Hi everyone!!

My biggest deciding factor is a school that is NOT associated with a DO/MD school and a school that starts early clinics (2nd year), so far the Pod schools have cover these requirements are:

BUSPM
CSPM
.................any other schools?

Also, could someone please tell me which schools are graded on pass/fail during the first 2 years? Thanks

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[bobdolerson]

The important thing to look for is regular distribution of gummy bears and cotton candy to students.

 

[347932]

^ LOL

I don't think any of the schools use a Pass/Fail model for most of their courses in the 1st 2 years. Some of the courses maybe. I may be wrong. Any other input on this?

 

[luckyfeet]

bobdolerson, you are hilarious

 

[trinifootdoc]

Hi everyone!!

My biggest deciding factor is a school that is NOT associated with a DO/MD school and a school that starts early clinics (2nd year), so far the Pod schools have cover these requirements are:

BUSPM
CSPM
.................any other schools?

Also, could someone please tell me which schools are graded on pass/fail during the first 2 years? Thanks

Ok... Question to you would be, why would you want to only be concerned with schools that are not associated with MD/DO schools?

To answer your question, there are NO schools that are graded on a pass/fail basis for the first two years. There may, however, be one or two courses that are pass fail but that's about it. Obviously a GPA has to be formulated... pass/fail doesn't contribute to a GPA. Our degrees are not spoon fed to us....

 

[amaprez]

Ok... Question to you would be, why would you want to only be concerned with schools that are not associated with MD/DO schools?

To answer your question, there are NO schools that are graded on a pass/fail basis for the first two years. There may, however, be one or two courses that are pass fail but that's about it. Obviously a GPA has to be formulated... pass/fail doesn't contribute to a GPA. Our degrees are not spoon fed to us....

FYI a good % of allopathic schools are P/F. They still calculate GPA, but only behind the scenes. It just doesn't factor in whether you pass a course, but it still is used in your Dean's letter and may/may not be used to calculate your class rank. Of course, some allopathic schools that don't keep track of class rank either.

 

[dtrack22]

You can have P/F when your boards are scored. GPA is the only academic measuring stick Pod residencies have

 

[amaprez]

Very salient point.

 

[luckyfeet]

Well because I feel like if I'm going to podiatry school I would rather be in classes w only podiatry students and not DO/MDs. I also hear integrated programs are much harder than they should be even though i know podiatry school is also very difficult. I know some people think that do/md students will think higher of pods bc they'll know we go through the same training, however, either way they are going to think what they want!!!


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[luckyfeet]

The reason I asked is because someone at CSPM said they'll be converting to a P/F system so I thought that maybe some other schools were already using that system.


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[MaxillofacialMN]

The reason I asked is because someone at CSPM said they'll be converting to a P/F system so I thought that maybe some other schools were already using that system.

Oh someone please tell me that isn't true... P/F systems are typically used by high-caliber medical schools so that there is less internal competition/sabotage and to perpetuate the perception that the school is superior. There are only 9 pod schools, and we do not rank them because there are only 9. If there were 100, and a handle of excellent schools did p/f that'd be fine. But how do I compete for a residency/clerkship against a school that has p/f grades when only 9 schools without real reputations exist?

 

[amaprez]

CSPM's administration thought about it last year, but the students there voted it down so it never got off the ground. What they DID do was move from a weekly exam format to a traditional midterm/final format.That's what I was told by the associate dean on my interview, so I'm very confident it's correct.

This is one of the SDN pitfalls: hearsay that's only half right


EDIT: OP, since there is no P/F pod school, your decision of where to go is now a little easier

 

[luckyfeet]

Thanks for that info! Yes it will be easier but after going to a undergrad with 60,000 kids, I would also like to go to a school with a small class because I'm tired of being a face in a huge crowd, I'd like my profs to know my name!


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[dyk343]

The USMLE is scored, therefore some MD schools can get away with P/F

If our schools did P/F for course work it would not work because the APMLE is P/F. There would be no way to accurately judge a student on paper. This would benefit the bottom feeders in the class but punish the people who work very hard.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[347932]

If our schools did P/F for course work it would not work because the APMLE is P/F. There would be no way to accurately judge a student on paper. This would benefit the bottom feeders in the class but punish the people who work very hard.

Just my 2 cents.

Your 2 cents is worth much more than 2 cents. Well said.