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I know its difficult to match with ortho and oafs, but what about endo?
Is endo residency tough to get into?
Is endo residency tough to get into?
dont believe the hype, with every GP doing endo and referring nothing out and with any possibly low prognosis becoming an implant, endo is suffering.
This is the typical protect your turf response
There are substandard specialists out there as well, and there is appropriate training for general dentists to expand their skills. I work with a general dentist who does block grafts, sinus lifts, implants, etc...and outcomes are no different than my OMFS down the street.
Nah. Just a PSA advising against dentists dipping into fields they may not be entirely competent in.
While it's true that the average specialist makes more than the average dentist, the GPs that aggressively expand their skill set and learn to run a business well make more than the average specialist (assuming a decent area to practice in). GPs are also more resilient during a down economy because the refer less, leading to the specialists suffering more. If you like endo, OS, or perio, just learn to do all of them in office through CE.
Spoken from the seasoned words of a 2nd year dental student. Are you even in clinic yet? Try doing retreatment root canal therapy on #2.
Spoken from the seasoned words of a 2nd year dental student. Are you even in clinic yet? Try doing retreatment root canal therapy on #2.
What would be your order of importance for getting into an endo residency?
1. Class rank
2. Research
3. Volunteer
4 externships
I am sure if it is like getting into dental, then it is being well rounded on all the above. How do you stick out?
Yes. Tough. Probably just as tough. Too 10, etc etc. Generally those residencies whose income potential is greater than that of a general dentist are tough to get into and always will be.
Except Perio. For some reason no one wants to do that.
Yes, it is highly competitive. I start my residency this summer and during my interviews, all the programs say that every year the applicant pool gets larger and more competitive. Some programs would get 150+ applicants, interview 15, accept 3 to 4. I have been in practice 2 years, was something like 40/110 class rank (which generally is a bit low), 83/91 on boards, 3.6gpa. They all asked why my part I was so low. Most of my co-applicants had stats that were MUCH better than mine, but a lot of them you could tell were only applying BECAUSE they had the stats. Directors can see right through that.
I talked to the director at my former dental school before applying and she advised having some research experience, so a friend and I did some research on local anesthetics and managed to get it written up and published. Try to find some research to get involved with, spend some time in an endo office.
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You are chastising applicants who are applying "BECAUSE they had the stats," but you turn around and do research because someone told you that it'll help you get in... ??? ironic. Can't directors see right through research that is done as a padding for one's application?
I don't think Endo is nearly as tough as ortho or omfs. Someone with 86 on boards would not get interviews in OMFS.
However, endo's income is very good at the moment. I think it's not as tough, because it isn't as interesting as omfs, and it isn't as comfortable as ortho.
OMS: Applied 50 programs/Interviewed 5 programs (two 6 and three 4yr)/Ranked 5/Matched at #1 6yr program
I ended up leaving the OMS program for personal reasons
Endo: Applied 25 programs/Invited to 15 interviews/Attended 5 interviews/Accepted at 3 programs/Will attend my #1
People often let scores keep them from applying and always state "I don't have the scores" but the little known fact is if you have a well rounded application and you want to specialize you will.
Woah. I think you took a genuine response from someone with experience a little out of context. Chfried wasn't chastising those with high stats -- rather, chfried admitted being in the upper-middle of the class and was saying that there are other components to the application besides numbers. Chfried was simply saying that super high stats aren't bad - they're in fact desired, but with the high stats has to come a genuine desire to do the specialty. Chfried was saying that directors can see right through applicants who did amazing academically and are applying to competitive residencies because they think their high stats alone will get them in.
@chfried -- thanks for that reply. A lot of that advice can probably be applied to other residencies as well. Thanks.
My specialty is better than yours! Er, I mean, more competitive! Waaaa! LOL. These threads crack me up.
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