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Does an ER fellowship provide more ER/fast tract job opportunities? Or is it more mainly for personal interest?
Anyone know of FM's who did an EM fellowship, and how it worked out for them?

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I'd be really interested in this, too. I don't really wanna work in a busy ER, but I would want the skills to be able to handle someone showing up nearly dead at a clinic out in the middle of nowhere.

On the other hand, I've shadowed a couple FM docs who worked at ER's without an issue, so I don't know how necessary it is. Sounds like if you wanna make time for extra ER prep during residency, you can do that. Anyway, I look forward to any responses.
 
Does an ER fellowship provide more ER/fast tract job opportunities? Or is it more mainly for personal interest?
Anyone know of FM's who did an EM fellowship, and how it worked out for them?

I don't think it makes a difference honestly. If a ED only uses BC/BE EM docs then you will still be unable to work in that ED. The fellowships do give more procedures but if you are at an unopposed program like JPS in Texas I think it's a waste of a year.

One of the physicians that I spoke with as a medical student did FM, went back and did EM fellowship and then went back and did a EM residency because he wanted to work in larger EDs his fellowship training didn't allow him to work.
 
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JPS is opposed. They are a strong full spectrum family medicine program, but there are other residencies based at the same hospital.
 
Does an ER fellowship provide more ER/fast tract job opportunities? Or is it more mainly for personal interest?
Anyone know of FM's who did an EM fellowship, and how it worked out for them?

No it does not.

If a hospital requires EM boarding to work there (even the fast tract) then they will not hire a FM, even if they did the ER fellowship. This means no city/level I/big name ERs as they almost always require EM boards. Remember, the ER fellowship is not a recognized fellowship and does not grant boards of any type.

Suburban/Rural hospitals that do hire FM, do not particularly care if the person has ER fellowship, and you would not have an advantage over a FM trainee who fashioned their residency for emergency medicine management. For example: I know multiple former residents, none of who did the ER tract, who work in rural ERs.

When it comes in use: When you plan on working in an ER and do not feel comfortable/confident in your skills to handle the patients/crises.
 
I know lots of fp docs working rural em. none did a fellowship, however one did the alternate board certification in em and he is director of a small rural er.
 
We've got a couple level 1 trauma ERs in town and they both regularly take FM residents to moonlight and FM folks (without fellowship) do get hired every now and then. They require ATLS of course, and evidence of successfully completed procedures.
 
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Family Physicians Play a Major Role in Urban ERs

Family Physicians Play Major Role in Urban ERs


September 29, 2015 01:48 pm Michael Laff – It's probably not all that surprising that in rural areas where the nearest physician might be a long drive away, ER patients are likely to receive treatment from a family physician. Now, though, researchers have learned that even in urban ERs, patients are likely to be cared for by a family physician.

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The findings, published this month in American Family Physician as a one-pager from the Robert Graham Center for Policy Studies in Family Medicine and Primary Care, were totally unexpected.

"We know that family physicians in outlying rural settings are contributing to ERs, but nobody ever looked at their contribution in urban and suburban settings," said paper co-author Gerald Banks, M.D., M.S., a researcher at the Graham Center.

The paper's authors used the AMA Physician Masterfile to determine how many family physicians are working in rural and urban ERs. They then studied Medicare claims data from 2012 to identify how many family physicians were contributing to ERs in various locations.

They found that family physicians submitted nearly 12 percent of the 15 million urban emergency department claims that year. In fact, filings by family physicians in urban ER settings represented 67 percent of all claims related to emergency care submitted by family physicians for the year.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Researchers from the Robert Graham Center for Policy Studies in Family Medicine and Primary Care recently reported that 4,000 physicians who identified themselves as ER physicians actually completed their last residency in family medicine.
  • Filings by family physicians in urban ER settings represented 67 percent of all claims submitted by family physicians in 2012.
  • One of the researchers contends that family physicians must remain in ERs, contrary to the actions of some urban hospitals that are replacing them with board-certified ER physicians.
Another stereotype about family physicians also crumbled when the researchers looked more closely at the CPT codes that were filed on Medicare forms. The perception was that family physicians in the ER handle simple cases, but records show they are treating strokes, heart attacks and fractures.

"The board-certified ER docs say family physicians are just treating colds and coughs, but if you look at the complexity of cases, there is no sign that's true," Banks said.

Family physicians are vital to ERs, yet many urban hospitals are replacing them with board-certified ER physicians as a marketing tool to attract patients.

The Institute of Medicine (IOM) has weighed in on this issue,(iom.nationalacademies.org) noting that a nationwide shortage of board-certified ER physicians is unlikely to be improve for decades, if ever, because of lagging rates of emergency medicine training.

Another looming concern is the continued rise in ER visits combined with the closure of some ERs at smaller hospitals and health systems during the past 10 to 15 years, a situation that Banks called "a perfect storm."

"If family physicians were removed from all ER facilities because they don't have certification, that could represent one-third of the physician workforce in large cities," he said.

Banks believes the solution to the workforce shortage is to keep family physicians in the ER while an emergency medicine certification program is created with an exam that allows them to demonstrate the knowledge and skills they've gained through situations they already encounter in ER settings.

Canada has a certification program for family physicians in ER medicine, but it is not recognized in the United States. There also are no emergency medicine fellowships for family physicians that have been approved by the Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education.

Still, said Banks, the subspecialty organizations would argue that there is no need to train family physicians in the sector because ER physicians are already being trained.

But, he added, "Board-certified ER physicians who are just out of residency have no experience. How can you just kick out the family physicians? The IOM has said that you should staff the ER based on competency, not board certification. They should stop pushing out doctors who have competency."
 
All that matters is that you practice to the standard of care at your average ER. The only requirement to practice any type of medicine is a license. All the ACGME monopoly stuff is just guild related. Unfortunately most major hospitals have bought into that so some exec committees won't grant privileges unless you are EM boarded or eligible. I say we bring a class action for restraint of trade...
 
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