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  1. Nate

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    do you have any advice for a pre med student?
    This thread typifies advice people have given a premed student when they ask what they should do during college.

    Grades for pre-med
    What do I need to take if I want to be a premed?

    What are my chances?

    No one can tell you what your chances are. Your best bet is to check out the individual school’s average accepted statistics and compare it to yours, if you are close then give it your best shot, if not then maybe you should consider working on it. Please do a search to find a thread or check out our "What are my chances thread?" here:[/b]
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=461082

    MD vs DO
    Physicians are hired as tradesman for the job of physician or surgeon, the degree qualifies you for the job but isn’t the job itself. Having said that, there is no discrepancy in salary between and MD and a DO, however it is debatable whether DOs or MDs make more money when self employed. There are way too many variable involved, such as location, local opinions, and individual performance to assess this. Here is a sample of discussions and opinions about this question:

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211261
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=202236
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=188100
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=184459
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=174042

    Are DO's considered "medical doctors"? Or are they just doctors?

    Actually Doctor of Osteopathy is an outdated term, the original title was Diplomat of Osteopathy when A.T. Still, MD only taught his students OMM and Anatomy, which then evolved into Doctor of Osteopathy as more forms of treatment such as surgery were taught. Our official title is Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine now as we are trained in Pharmacology (yes Dr. Still eventually had to allow medicine be taught), Surgery, and all aspects of modern medicine. We are medical doctors. Things have changed since people expected to die when they called their doctor to bleed them dry or administer some poison, and as things change so does our profession. It’s in that ability to adapt and be dynamic that makes our profession so great. If modern medicine went down a road to harm patients again I am sure we would diverge once again.

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/sho...=medical doctor

    Dr. Russo's excellent "Reinventing Osteopathy" links


    What should I wear to an interview?

    The consensus is that business formal is the way to go but ladies may have a harder time choosing what to wear (men just go with a suit and the hardest choice is choosing a tie color). Here are some opinions and ideas on that topic:

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=238982
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=239329
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=229988
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=217835
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=176131
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172434
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=166760

    How do I/Should I shadow a DO?

    A good place to start is in contacting your state Osteopathic Medicine Society either via the web or phone and asking for a local list of physicians. Another way is to check out your local hospital, if they have a website that is best. Many schools suggest that you shadow a DO before applying and it is a requirement for others. Here are some opinions on this matter:

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=234750
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233228
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=228068
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=225110

    How are DO schools ranked?

    There are some rankings on the US News website, which can be accessed for a fee.

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233506
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=230900
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211196
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=193832

    where can I find AACOMAS statistics?

    Here - http://www.aacom.org/data/annualreport/slideshow/index.html

    Can I transfer from DO to MD?

    Yes, it can be done. However, it is both difficult and rare. The best time to evaluate which school you would like to attend is before you start; however, there are situations in which people are forced to move and things like that.

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=203514&page=2&pp=25
    Official transfer policies for all US medical schools

    DO or Caribbean?

    This is the topic of many heated discussions over the years. The threads usually look the same and many end up in flame wars which get closed, however here is one that sums up the opinions on the DO forum rather nicely. Remember, if you ask this question on the DO forum you will get a DO biased answer, if you ask if on the FMG forum you may get different answers. In the end, it is up to you to evaluate which better suits you, DO, MD, or FMG MD.

    I repeated a course. Are the classes averaged, do they just take the highest grade, or do they just take the last grade?

    You will put all courses in the AACOMAS application even repeats and multiple repeats. Applicants should list the original class(es) as a repeat i.e. “Repeat” and then list the final time it is taken as “Last Repeat”. You will only enter a grade for the last time you took the course and this will be used to calculate you grade. 0 credits are given to all repeated courses except for the final one. This allows your class to be calculated in the GPA once.

    Some classes are "repeated" for additional course work and is not considered a repeat. Grades should be entered for all of these courses.

    Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine does not participate in AACOMAS and they use TMDSAS.

    http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/HomepageApplicants.htm

    TMDSAS complies with the uniform GPA calculation for graduate and professional schools. Grades from all courses are calculated (even if repeated, failed or withdrawn failing). Grades with a plus or minus will be calculated as the letter grade only - the plus or minus will not be used. Each grade is given a numeric value: A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1 and F/FL=0.

    http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/Freq...pProcessing.htm


    GPA Calculator

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2648895&postcount=47
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2651054&postcount=52

    I'm retaking a science course. The original class had the lab and lecture combined for one grade. Now I want to repeat this class at another school but the lab and lecture are 2 separate course. What can I do?

    what are the math requirements for DO schools? What other course requirements are there?

    so far only 2 osteopathic schools require college math:

    -UMDNJ-SOM requires applicants to complete 6 hours of math.
    -UNTHSC/TCOM applicants must take 3 hours of calculus or statistics.

    http://www.aacom.org/data/cib/03-prereqs.html

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    Looking back as a 4th year
    Jalby's guide to applying to med school
    DO Online Secondaries
    Interview Feedback
    Finding cheap airfare
    Finding cheap airfare II
    Personal Statement Help
    Pre-med information guide
    International Practice Rights for DOs
    What is the matchlist for X school
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    What is included from in my science GPA?

    below is a cut and paste from the AACOMAS HELP tab found in the Academic Course Work portion of the application. I believe you will only see this tab after you enter at least one college in the application. Colleges Attended->Academic Course Work->Help:

    The Science category would include all courses with subjects of Biology, Organic, Biochemistry, Other Science, Physics, and Inorganic Chemistry. Non-science would include courses with subjects of Math, English, Behavioral Sciences, and Non-science.

    These subjects determine GPA computations for meeting college entrance requirements. Each subject will be verified and corrected if necessary.

    *note organic chem is listed under Inorganic chem*



    Biochemistry
    Biochemistry
    Physiological Chemistry

    Biology/Zoology
    Animal Science
    Anatomy
    Bacteriology
    Biology
    Botany
    Cellular & Molecular Biology
    Cellular Physiology
    Ecology
    Evolution
    Genetics
    Hematology
    Histology
    Immunology
    Microbiology
    Micro-Organisms
    Natural Science
    Neurology
    Oceanography
    Parasitology
    Pathology
    Physiology
    Virology
    Zoology

    Inorganic Chemistry
    Chemistry, General
    Medical Chemistry
    Pharmaceutical Chemistry
    Physical Chemistry
    Qualitative Analysis
    Quantitative Analysis
    Readings in Chemistry
    Research in Chemistry
    Special Topics in Chemistry
    Structures & Bonds
    Organic Chemistry Bio-Organic Chemistry
    Organic Chemistry
    Readings in Organic Chemistry
    Special Topics in Organic Chemistry

    Other Science
    Agricultural Science
    Astronomy
    Chiropractic
    Electronics
    Engineering
    Epidemiology
    Geology
    Kinesiology
    Medical Technology
    Meteorology
    Nutrition
    Pharmacy
    Physical Anthropology
    Physical Geography
    Physical Science
    Physician Assistant
    Radiology

    Physics
    Electricity & Light
    Magnetism
    Mechanical Heat
    Physics
    Thermodynamics

    To be determined by department
    Mental/Physical Illness
    Physiological Psychology

    English
    Bible Literature
    Composition
    English
    Journalism
    Literature
    Medical Terminology
    Poetry
    Reading Skills
    Rhetoric
    Theater Literature

    Math
    Behavioral Statistics
    Biostatistics
    Chemical Math
    Computer Science
    Math

    Other Non-Science
    Acting
    Agriculture
    Archeology
    Art
    Bioethics
    Business
    Communications
    Cultural Geography
    Economics
    Education
    Emergency Med-Tech
    Ethics
    First Aid
    Foreign Language
    Forestry
    Geography
    Government
    Health/Personal Hygiene
    History
    Humanities
    Law
    Logic
    Military Science
    Music
    Nursing
    Occupational Therapy
    Philosophy
    Physical Education
    Physical Therapy
    Political Science
    Public Health
    Public Speaking
    Religion
    Respiratory Therapy
    Social Ethics
    Speech
    Speech Pathology
    Teaching Science
    Theater
    Theology
    Word Processing

    Social/Behavioral Science
    Anthropology
    Community Health
    Criminal Justice
    Educational Psychology
    Ethnic Studies
    Human Sexuality
    Marriage/Family
    Personal Health
    Physiological Ethics
    Psychology
    Social Science
    Social Work/Sociology
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    some criteria to help deciding on which schools to apply, interview, matriculate,etc.

    some of these may be more important than others and some may not be a factor at all. There is no need to use all.

    class size
    clinical affiliations
    offering of preceptorship or clinical training before 3rd year
    board pass rate
    distance of clerkships from med school (will you need to find housing...again!)
    pre-doctoral fellowships and benefits
    post-grad fellowships and residencies offered by the school
    PBl vs lecture
    on campus library and study locations - (size, computers available, group study rooms, etc.)
    recreational facilities (gyms, pool, etc.)
    Amount and duration of 4th year electives
    research (clinical or lab)
    location (weather, social life, urban/rural, safety, etc.)
    match list
    diversity of faculty/students
    cost
    availability of fellowships
    technology (STAN, wireless, lectures on mp3 or video, etc.)
    mission statement of school
    exam schedule
    grading (pass/fail or pass/fail/honors or letter grades)
    clinical grading policy (weight of shelf and evaluations)
    are students ranked (does school let you know ranking in percentiles or exact number)
    standout faculty
    stability of curriculum and amount of input students have in changing it
    student organizations/clubs
    Opportunities for international medical missions
    attrition rate and policies regarding remediation (ie, is it 3 strikes and you're out?)
    Related to the boards: Do they teach to the exams or not? Are time off or other reviews methods (Kaplan, etc.) offered in preparation?
    typical percentages of grads placing into primary care (worth noting whether you want to do primary care or specialize)?
    Dress code and if class attendance is required. can I get away with just wearing scrubs?
    what are the students like? Do you see yourself working/getting along with the majority of the people there?
    voluntary summer prep program (for advanced standing or jump start)
    advanced standing for previous courses


    2006 Annual Report on Osteopathic Medical Education

    Has lots of general info on stats of DO schools and applicants such as diversity (minority/female), % in-state residency, attrition rate, states with most DOs, # of applicants to each DO school, etc.

    http://publish.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/2006statrpt/Pages/default.aspx

    2009 College Information Book

    http://publish.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/cib/Pages/default.aspx

    AOA Interships and Residencies:
    http://opportunities.osteopathic.or...OKEN=58295230&jsessionid=3030205c6015212e5636
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    Average % 2002-2004 graduates entering primary care residencies (as defined by USNews)

    WVCOM - 87.3%
    MSUCOM - 85.8%
    PCSOM - 78.0%
    TCOM/UNTHSC - 77.7%
    NSUCOM - 77.0%
    UNECOM - 67.2%
    OSUCOM - 67.0%
    LECOM - 61.0%
    OUCOM - 58%
    TUCOM - 52.0%
    DMU - 46.5%
    KCOM - 45.7%
    NYCOM - 45.0%
    PCOM - 37.0%

    From US News 2007
    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/webextras/brief/sb_med_primarycare_brief.php

    Many new schools are missing since they did not graduate a class in 2002-2004. This is still not a complete list since some schools such as CCOM and UMDNJSOM are not indluded.

    link to match list threads:
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=175626
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    do you have any advice for a pre med student?
    This thread typifies advice people have given a premed student when they ask what they should do during college.

    Grades for pre-med
    What do I need to take if I want to be a premed?

    What are my chances?

    No one can tell you what your chances are. Your best bet is to check out the individual school's average accepted statistics and compare it to yours, if you are close then give it your best shot, if not then maybe you should consider working on it. General advice can be found in the Pre-Osteopathic What are my Chances? thread.

    MD vs DO
    Physicians are hired as tradesman for the job of physician or surgeon, the degree qualifies you for the job but isn't the job itself. Having said that, there is no discrepancy in salary between and MD and a DO, however it is debatable whether DOs or MDs make more money when self employed. There are way too many variable involved, such as location, local opinions, and individual performance to assess this. Here is a sample of discussions and opinions about this question:

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211261
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=202236
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=188100
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=184459
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=174042

    Are DO's considered "medical doctors"? Or are they just doctors?

    Actually Doctor of Osteopathy is an outdated term, the original title was Diplomat of Osteopathy when A.T. Still, MD only taught his students OMM and Anatomy, which then evolved into Doctor of Osteopathy as more forms of treatment such as surgery were taught. Our official title is Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine now as we are trained in Pharmacology (yes Dr. Still eventually had to allow medicine be taught), Surgery, and all aspects of modern medicine. We are medical doctors. Things have changed since people expected to die when they called their doctor to bleed them dry or administer some poison, and as things change so does our profession. It's in that ability to adapt and be dynamic that makes our profession so great. If modern medicine went down a road to harm patients again I am sure we would diverge once again.

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/sho...=medical doctor

    Dr. Russo's excellent "Reinventing Osteopathy" links


    What should I wear to an interview?

    The consensus is that business formal is the way to go but ladies may have a harder time choosing what to wear (men just go with a suit and the hardest choice is choosing a tie color). Here are some opinions and ideas on that topic:

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=238982
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=239329
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=229988
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=217835
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=176131
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=172434
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=166760

    How do I/Should I shadow a DO?

    A good place to start is in contacting your state Osteopathic Medicine Society either via the web or phone and asking for a local list of physicians. Here's a list of them.

    Another way is to check out your local hospital, if they have a website that is best. Many schools suggest that you shadow a DO before applying and it is a requirement for others. Here are some opinions on this matter:

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=234750
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233228
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=228068
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=225110

    How are DO schools ranked?

    There are some rankings on the US News website, which can be accessed for a fee.

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=233506
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=230900
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=211196
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=193832

    Can I transfer from DO to MD?

    Yes, it can be done. However, it is both difficult and rare. The best time to evaluate which school you would like to attend is before you start; however, there are situations in which people are forced to move and things like that.

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=203514&page=2&pp=25
    Official transfer policies for all US medical schools

    DO or Caribbean?

    This is the topic of many heated discussions over the years. The threads usually look the same and many end up in flame wars which get closed, however here is one that sums up the opinions on the DO forum rather nicely. Remember, if you ask this question on the DO forum you will get a DO biased answer, if you ask if on the FMG forum you may get different answers. In the end, it is up to you to evaluate which better suits you, DO, MD, or FMG MD.

    I repeated a course. Are the classes averaged, do they just take the highest grade, or do they just take the last grade?

    You will put all courses in the AACOMAS application even repeats and multiple repeats. Applicants should list the original class(es) as a repeat i.e. "Repeat" and then list the final time it is taken as "Last Repeat". You will only enter a grade for the last time you took the course and this will be used to calculate you grade. 0 credits are given to all repeated courses except for the final one. This allows your class to be calculated in the GPA once.

    Some classes are "repeated" for additional course work and is not considered a repeat. Grades should be entered for all of these courses.

    Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine does not participate in AACOMAS and they use TMDSAS.

    http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/HomepageApplicants.htm

    TMDSAS complies with the uniform GPA calculation for graduate and professional schools. Grades from all courses are calculated (even if repeated, failed or withdrawn failing). Grades with a plus or minus will be calculated as the letter grade only - the plus or minus will not be used. Each grade is given a numeric value: A=4, B=3, C=2, D=1 and F/FL=0.

    http://www.utsystem.edu/tmdsas/Freq...pProcessing.htm

    I hear that OUCOM (Ohio's DO school) requires you to sign a contract to practice in Ohio for a few years. Is this true?

    Yes, you are required to sign a contract with your secondary application that obligates you to return to the state of Ohio for 5 years and practice after completion of your residency (and fellowship if applicable). The contract can be found here, along with more interesting discussion on the matter. Check with the OUCOM Admissions office for the most up-to-date information.

    OUCOM Contract

    GPA Calculator

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2648895&postcount=47
    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=2651054&postcount=52

    I'm retaking a science course. The original class had the lab and lecture combined for one grade. Now I want to repeat this class at another school but the lab and lecture are 2 separate course. What can I do?

    What are the math requirements for DO schools?

    So far, 5 osteopathic schools require college math:

    Touro-CA requires a minimum of 4 semester hours of Math and/or Computer Science.

    Touro-NV requires a minimum of 4 semester hours of Math and/or Computer Science.

    Touro-NY requires a minimum of 4 semester hours of Math and/or Computer Science.

    UMDNJ-SOM requires 6 hours of college level math. 3 of these hours may be satisfied by Computer Science or Statistics.

    UNTHSC/TCOMrequires one semester course of math-based Calculus or Statistics (at least 3 hours). Pre-calculus is not acceptable towards this requirement. TCOM may consider statistics courses taught in other departments on an individual basis.

    What other course requirements are there for DO schools?

    It varies for each school. All course requirements can be found in the 2009 College Information Book.

    Random informative posts

    Looking back as a 4th year-I
    Looking back as a 4th year-II
    Jalby's guide to applying to med school
    Finding cheap airfare
    Finding cheap airfare II
    Personal Statement Help
    Pre-med information guide
    International Practice Rights for DOs

    How did DO's evolve?
    How can I shadow a DO?
    DO version of the MSAR
    Which schools require a DO LOR?
    Which schools screen for secondaries?
    When is the latest I can apply?
    Secondary essay prompts
    Interview feedback


    DO Glossary of Terms

    AACOMAS Statistics



    Thanks to tkim!
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2009
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    Match Lists

    2009 Match Lists are just now being compiled here (will become more organized with time):

    http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=7905511



    A.T. Still University/Kirksville COM
    All
    2008
    2007

    A.T. Still University/SOM-Arizona
    The first match list will be released in 2011

    Arizona COM of Midwestern University
    All
    2008
    2007
    2000-2006

    Chicago COM of Midwestern University
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006
    2005
    2004

    Des Moines University COM
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006
    2005

    Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences COM
    All
    2008
    2007

    Lake Erie COM-Bradenton
    All
    2008

    Lake Erie COM-Erie
    All
    2008
    2007

    Lake Erie COM-Seton Hill
    The first match list will be released in 2013

    Lincoln Memorial University-DeBusk COM
    The first match list will be released in 2011

    Michigan State University COM
    All
    2009
    2008
    2007

    New York COM of NYIT
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006
    2005
    2004

    Nova Southeastern University COM
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006
    2005

    Ohio University COM
    If you have one, post it in this thread, please!

    Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences COM
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006
    2005
    2004
    2003

    Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences-COM
    The first match list will be released in 2012

    Philadelphia COM
    All
    2009
    2008
    2007

    Georgia Campus-Philadelphia COM
    The first match list will be released in 2009

    Pikeville College SOM
    All
    2005

    Rocky Vista University COM
    The first match list will be released in 2012

    Touro COM-NY
    The first match list will be released in 2011

    Touro University COM-CA
    All
    2008
    2007
    2005

    Touro University COM-NV
    All
    2008

    University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey-SOM
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006

    University of New England COM
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006
    2004
    2003
    2002
    2001

    University of North Texas Health Science Center/Texas COM
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006
    2005

    Edward Via Virginia COM
    All
    2008
    2007

    West Virginia SOM
    All
    2008
    2005

    WesternU/COMP
    All
    2008
    2007
    2006
    2005
    2003
    2002
    2001
    2000
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    Placeholding. This list will be edited and links will be added.

    ***Frequently Asked Questions about becoming a D.O.*** (updated 3/2009)

    *Why is there a second degree that allows one to practice medicine?
    The gold standard text on the history of D.O.'s in America

    *What the heck is this I hear about "manipulation"/"OMM"/"OMT"?!

    *M.D. schools have the MSAR--is there something similar for D.O. schools?
    2009 College Information Book

    *When is the latest I can apply to D.O. schools?

    *How do I apply to D.O. schools?

    *Is there a list of essay prompts for D.O. school secondary applications?
    Secondary Essay Prompts

    *Which D.O. schools screen applicants before giving them a secondary application?
    Pre-Secondary Screening Schools

    *Do I need a letter of recommendation from a D.O. to apply to D.O. schools?
    Which schools require a D.O. LOR?

    *How can I find a D.O. to shadow?
    D.O. Shadowing

    *How much does it cost to attend a D.O. school?

    *How does the interview work at a particular school?
    D.O. Interview Feedback

    *What is the "waitlist" and how does it work?

    *Where do D.O. graduates match and into which specialties?
    D.O. Match Lists

    *Do any D.O. schools have accelerated 3-year programs?
    LECOM Primary Care Scholars Pathway (PCSP)

    *Which states have public D.O. schools?

    *I hear that OUCOM has some sort of contract--what's that about?

    *Are there any D.O./Ph.D. programs or other dual degrees offered?
    Dual Degree guide
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    Average GPA/MCAT data is being compiled for all DO schools, here.
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    Self-compiled 2009 CIB School Summary Googledocs spreadsheet (able to exported as an Excel spreadsheet)



    Includes:
    • State
    • Year founded
    • Class size
    • Programs available:
      • BS/DO
      • DO/MA
      • DO/MS
      • DO/MPH
      • DO/MBA
      • DO/JD
      • DO/PhD
      • DO/MHA
      • DO/MHEd
      • DO/DHEd
      • DO/MGH
      • PCP-Accel
    • Research (spotty...looking for more input!)
    • Oldest MCAT accepted
    • September MCAT accepted
    • January MCAT accepted
    • MCAT Comments (eg, composite score, MCAT minimums if available, January MCAT policies)
    I'm looking for input/suggestions - Thanks!
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    PPT that I made that reviews all of the steps of the application process - pre-req's, EC's, ideal timeline, MCATs (briefly), applying, interviewing, evaluation options. Geared for osteo or allo applications. Mentions a few schools in our regions, modify accordingly for your own use.

    Compiled based on my experiences.

    ~78 slides, ~8 MB posted online

    5/29/09 Edit: Included osteopathic match information for DMU, LECOM, and PCOM based upon 2007, 2008, and 2009 match lists. I had to manually tabulate and summarize the data - reconfirm if you are very interested in the specifics. The schools presented in the powerpoint were programs within the PA region and/or programs were students from our undergrad college were currently attending.
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    British Columbia:
    There are two pathways for D.O. registration in British Columbia. The first recognizes the COMLEX examinations and two years of AOA certified post-graduate training. The D.O. has a limited license, and is restricted to a practice of musculoskeletal medicine. This pathway is primarily intended for the D.O. that wishes to establish an OMT focused practice. The second pathway requires completion of the MCC examinations and two years of a ACGME residency program. The D.O. will then receive an unrestricted license.

    Alberta:

    The D.O. candidate is required to complete the MCC examinations, AOA certified residencies are recognized. There has been informal interest expressed in considering the COMLEX as an alternative to the MCC examinations.

    Saskatchewan:

    A board exists separate from the provincial College for the registration of D.O.’s, although it has not been active for many years. D.O.’s are registered by the board to practice “osteopathy”, although that is not clearly defined.

    Manitoba:

    As of 2002, American-trained D.O.’s are eligible for registration in Manitoba.

    Ontario:

    Since 2003, the College of Physicians and Surgeons have recognized the American DO degree as equivalent to that of an American MD. Additionally, the COMLEX examinations are recognized if performed after 2004 when the PE component was introduced with part II. The same criteria apply to the USMLE. ACGME accredited residencies are recognized although AOA accredited residencies are not. Additionally, there is a “Practice Assessment” pathway for applicants with at least five years of clinical practice experience.

    Quebec:

    American-trained D.O.’s have been eligible for registration in Quebec for approximately 30 years, although the requirement that the candidate pass a French language proficiency examination has had a negative impact. Additionally, the Candidate must complete one year of post-graduate training in the province, although this can be at the fellowship level. MCC certification and Royal college certification are not necessary. Unfortunately, the title protection that exists for M.D.’s does not exist for D.O.’s with the result that the title use is not restricted in that province.

    New Brunswick:

    D.O.’s are eligible for full registration in New Brunswick. One pathway extends reciprocity to a D.O. with Maine licensure.

    Nova Scotia:

    As of 2002, full registration for D.O.’s is extended in the same way as for an American trained M.D.

    Prince Edward Island:

    At the moment, PEI is the only Canadian province without a current or anticipated registration pathway for American-trained Osteopathic physicians.

    Newfoundland:

    As of 2002, the College has committed itself to seeing that the government establishes a registration pathway for American-trained D.O.’s, although it is anticipated that this may take a couple of years.

    Territories (Yukon, Northwest, Nunavut):

    In most instances, the Territories will grant registration to any physician that qualifies for licensure in any other province.

    Armed Services:

    American-trained D.O.’s are eligible for service with the Canadian Armed Services, including scholarship opportunities, recruitment bonuses.

    This information comes from the Canadian Osteopathic Association:
    http://www.osteopathic.ca/Osteopathic%20Practice%20in%20Canada.doc
    Last edited: Jul 2, 2009
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    Is History of Biology: Conflicts considered a science class?
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    If it has a Biology prefix it will count as a science. If it has a history or humanities prefix, I would say no.

    It's important to assess the prefixes of your courses. Some outliers will fall into science coursework without a science prefix (e.g., Neuroscience taught through the Psychology dept. or something equivalent). If you have concerns about a specific class, get the course description and forward the question to AACOMAS directly. Or give it a sporting effort and label it a science on your application and they might not change it, but be warned, if you do and they change it, the fact that you mislabeled on course might cause them to review the rest of your courses more closely.
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    Read through the FAQs and what not, and I have question regarding the GPA calculations and the calculator. Should we use the calculator noting the grade replacements policy? Like if you are trying to see how you look in terms of DO?
  18. ShaneK

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    Alot of great info! Thanks.
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    Hi everyone,

    I have a question that usually does not pop up in the FAQ's. I have been debating whether or not I should include links or contact information of the organizations that I have volunteered for in the description section of AACOMAS. However, that is hard to do as there is a limit on how much you can write. So, I was wondering whether anyone has experienced it before, where the admission committees ask you to provide proof/confirmation of your involvements, or ask you to bring contact info or more proof during interviews?
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    It depends on the school and the activity. Adcoms don't have the time to verify every activity for every applicant.

    Fyi, there's an AACOMAS FAQ thread where you'll get a more detailed response.
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    Would it be unwise to submit your application before AACOMAS receives your final transcript? My transcript should be in early to late next week, but I am wondering if it would make more sense to just submit now since earlier is better.
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    Regardless of whether you submit it before or after, verification will not begin until all transcripts are received by AACOMAS.

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