Why do so many premeds want to be pediatric neurosurgeons?
Random premed: "I love helping children, it's such a noble thing to do!!!!!"
Why do so many premeds want to be pediatric neurosurgeons?
(Details have been altered in this story to protect identities; the quotes haven't been.)
At one interview day, a physiatrist gave a great talk about her work and her path in medicine. She showed videos of patients with abnormal gaits, along with imaging of their spinal cords showing where they were pinched or damaged. She then went into how she diagnosed and treated these patients, and touched on her research on how to improve diagnostics in this area. It was a wonderful presentation. When she finished, another interviewee raised his hand.
Interviewee: "So, what you do is, like, what a Ph.D. does?"
The physiatrist explained that she was in fact a physician, though perhaps the interviewee was misled by the fact that she also did research.
Interviewee: "Oh. Another question. What do you do about patients who are faking it to get pain medications?"
The physiatrist, confused, pointed out that her patients rarely complained of pain and that she did not prescribe these medications. Furthermore, the diagnoses were confirmed with imaging.
I was impressed by how the physician dealt with these baffling questions kindly and without judgment. (I can't say the same for my internal monologue--"faking it," really?) The interviewee is in the Facebook group for that school; he was accepted.
I try to see a positive moral here. Even though all of us applicants have a great deal of ignorance, it doesn't stop us from getting to the next step.
Why would a school let applicants into the cadaver lab? I'd have serious ethical concerns about your tour guide's respect for the cadavers and their privacy.
Furthermore, dressed up as you are on an interview, why would you set foot in one?
I didn't think it was allowed. I've not been to a school that has offered to let us in one for respect to the cadaver's privacy.Why would a school let applicants into the cadaver lab? I'd have serious ethical concerns about your tour guide's respect for the cadavers and their privacy.
Furthermore, dressed up as you are on an interview, why would you set foot in one?
Why are the vast majority of these uninformed premeds girls? I'm pretty sure there are guys who are less informed too.
Why do so many premeds want to be pediatric neurosurgeons?
This made me LOL! Every pre-med wants to be the most complicated specialist of all time hahaWhy do so many premeds want to be pediatric neurosurgeons?
I don't see how it's disrespectful to allow people to learn from the bodies of people who specifically donated their bodies to allow students to learn. It's different from the med students learning everything in-depth, sure, but everyone has to start somewhere. It just doesn't seem particularly out of scope for the potential future students to have a glimpse.I didn't think it was allowed. I've not been to a school that has offered to let us in one for respect to the cadaver's privacy.
But I guess it is. . . But it would honestly make me like a school less if they didn't respect their cadavers.
I love this!"I don't know about you, but I want to be a pediatric geriatric cardiothoracic neurosurgeon practicing at MGH and Seattle Grace at the same time!!11!1"
-uninformed premed girl who doesn't even know what a residency is.
It sounds super fancy and respected.Why do so many premeds want to be pediatric neurosurgeons?
Yeah but it seems like most of the time it's girls. Maybe it has to do with how girls are raised vs. guys but it's weird.
Less funny and more of a strange trend I've noticed recently with people not understanding that medical school=training to be a physician (as opposed to nurse, MA, etc)
Young bartender: So what do you do?
Me: Right now I do research at a children's hospital, but I'm starting medical school in August
Her: Really?? I'm in medical school too!
Me (she had just said she was 20 and didn't strike me as the brightest pint glass on her bar's shelf, so I was skeptical): No way! What school?
Her: Suffolk Community College (something like that)
Me (probing): I didn't know they had a medical school.....
Her: Yeah, I'm in the medical assistant program
Me: Ahhhhhh
It just blows my mind that some people don't know this. Even before I knew anything about healthcare I feel like my friends/extended family and I at least understood the basic concept of medical school= you are going to be a physician
The SCC like out in Selden, LI? That SCC? No wonder you got the answer you did...it's the 13th grade!
Why do so many premeds want to be pediatric neurosurgeons?
Clearly they just need to be sexy enough and the hot neurosurgeon will pursue them despite any obstacles thrown in their way (which means they have to make zero effort).Grey's Anatomy. I assume they also expect to date attractive neurosurgery attendings as interns.
Not going to lie... Grey's Anatomy is my favorite show!
@medic86 no... lol probably should've been. Just noticed a few people mention Grey's Anatomy.
Well, n=1 for 'eww pls stahp' regardless of the hot factor. Guy who doesn't take 'no' for an answer ≠ sexy *shudder*Yup it depends on whether she finds you attractive or not.
McDreamy = mm pls take me NOW.
McMe = eww pls stahp
Also I wish doctors were on the writing staff on these shows. Seriously how much do you think Shonda Rhimes knows about medicine?
At every interview I had we viewed the cadaver lab, and saw a cadaver at more than half. They always said if you're not comfortable, you can wait outside. And many showed us body parts and incisions, and showed us some cool anatomical issues.
I did not think it was disrespectful, it was an educating experience and I, personally appreciated it.
I don't see how it's disrespectful to allow people to learn from the bodies of people who specifically donated their bodies to allow students to learn. It's different from the med students learning everything in-depth, sure, but everyone has to start somewhere. It just doesn't seem particularly out of scope for the potential future students to have a glimpse.
Then again, I've never understood the whole emotional-attachment-to-dead-bodies thing anyway. Feel free to string mine up like a marionette and have it act out Equus, for all I care. I won't be there to object.
You think most undergrad institutions have cadaver labs? I'm glad you go somewhere that you have that privilege, but I would venture to say most undergrad institutions don't have cadaver labs.Agreed. We have all seen cadavers in our undergrad anatomy labs and we will all be using them. I don't see how it is disrespectful to allow applicants to see the anatomy lab and one of the cadavers therein. They are trying to help applicants make an informed decision about which school they would like to attend and the students giving the tour were entirely respectful and even mentioned the importance of such during their description of the gross anatomy portion of the curriculum.
Now the girl thinking that the head of a femur was an eyeball, while hilarious, was probably the only one guilty of potentially being disrespectful...
If people honestly have a lessened desire to attend a school simply because the cadaver lab was featured during the tour, I kind of feel like they may need to climb down off of their ethical ivory tower a bit. But I can respect that opinion.
You think most undergrad institutions have cadaver labs? I'm glad you go somewhere that you have that privilege, but I would venture to say most undergrad institutions don't have cadaver labs.
All schools I interviewed at didn't take us into the cadaver lab on the tour due to patient confidentiality.
The one cadaver that was out had its face covered. How would I possibly know anything about this person?
@medic86 no... lol probably should've been. Just noticed a few people mention Grey's Anatomy.
louis ck does a funny bit about thisThen again, I've never understood the whole emotional-attachment-to-dead-bodies thing anyway. Feel free to string mine up like a marionette and have it act out Equus, for all I care. I won't be there to object.
I have two guys that are uninformed. Unfortunately, they haven't said anything concise or funny enough to warrant a post here. I'm always listening for it though...
My UG does, but we also have an RN, NP school and a large kinesiology program.You think most undergrad institutions have cadaver labs? I'm glad you go somewhere that you have that privilege, but I would venture to say most undergrad institutions don't have cadaver labs.
This is the least of the ignorance you often see. It blows my mind that someone can claim they want to go into a specific field and have never, ever even done one simple Google search about anything pertinent to their career plans. It's like they're perpetually in 9th grade.I had a roommate in college that wanted to be a doctor because of Grey's Anatomy.
Never mind the fact she didn't bother to get out of bed to go to class or do any of her work. Even after failing general chemistry 4 times she was convinced she was still going to go to med school.
It's also not true...look at https://www.aamc.org/students/download/398586/data/mcatexampolicy.pdfPremed who got a 38 on August's MCAT: "zOMG!! there are ssssoooo many schools that say they prefer MCAT 2015 for next year!!!! I need to retake my MCATs again!!!"
Really grinded my axe because I had a 30 and decided to cancel my January MCAT, and the same guy said mt 30 was good enough to be competitive...
It's also not true...look at https://www.aamc.org/students/download/398586/data/mcatexampolicy.pdf
I don't get why it would grind your axe, though...your 30 is fine (assuming it's balanced) and your Jan MCAT wouldn't have been the 2015 version. You're fine! You can sit there and relax as your friend foolishly suffers through another bout of MCAT studying, with more material and fewer resources, risking a lower score than his great one.
OK, one of them just picked up an organ from a full-scale plastic torso model and asked if it was a heart. It was in fact a stomach.
EDIT: I said, "No, but it is the way to a man's heart."
It's also not true...look at https://www.aamc.org/students/download/398586/data/mcatexampolicy.pdf
I don't get why it would grind your axe, though...your 30 is fine (assuming it's balanced) and your Jan MCAT wouldn't have been the 2015 version. You're fine! You can sit there and relax as your friend foolishly suffers through another bout of MCAT studying, with more material and fewer resources, risking a lower score than his great one.
lol At the same time, it's kinda annoying how blatantly removed from reality some shows can be.I think they have consultants, but really just to advise on medical terminology and whatnot. I'm sure if they advised on "what its like to actually be a surgeon," they would have an entirely different kind of show.
Full disclosure: I am actually a longtime Grey's Anatomy fan, but I like it for what it is: an entertaining fictional television show. Its shocking how many people I've encountered, premed and general population, who think that's an accurate portrayal.
Well, he's an idiot and truly belongs in this thread, then!my point was that I was annoyed that someone with an amazing MCAT would risk all over again because it was the old MCAT. I was very happy about mys core until he brought it up... I hope I used the term axe-grinding appropriately...
He also knows that they'll accept his MCAT; it's just that he thinks he'll get an edge if he took the "preferred" version....
... and yes, my score is balanced (10 PS/10 Verbal/ 10 BS)
UGGGGGHHHH. As someone with three close family members with the potential to go into anaphylaxis (two in response to foods and one, terrifyingly, idiopathic), it drives me up the ****ing wall when people say they're allergic to stuff that just makes them feel "bad" in some way. My sister was just in the ED for it again in December (in fact, she lost consciousness while being driven to the hospital; my other sister pulled the car over and called EMS to take her the rest of the way). Words have actual meanings. This misuse of the word "allergy" is common, and it makes people less likely to be careful for those whose lives actually DO depend on utensils not being contaminated, etc.One of the nurses at the facility I work at said this gem at lunch -
Nurse: Want my bread roll? I'm allergic to gluten.
Me: Really? That sucks... wait, weren't you talking about your favorite burger place yesterday?
Nurse: Well yeah, I mean I can eat it but it messes with my system.
Me: What happens?
Nurse: I just feel really full and bloated after.
Wow, this is far more disturbing and offensive to me than the one I just ranted about.Conversation I had with my pre-med friend right after she got her first acceptance:
Me: Congrats! Do you know what kind of doctor you want to be?
Her: Yes. An abortion doctor.
Me: That's... specific. What kind of specialty is that?
Her: It's own specialty? Or maybe you just major in abortions, I'm not entirely sure. I just want to give confused teenagers abortions, then while they're waking up from surgery I'll be there whispering in their ear like "you're going to hell, you murdering slut!"
She's a 4th year now, so watch out, World.
Your friend sounds adorable.Conversation I had with my pre-med friend right after she got her first acceptance:
Me: Congrats! Do you know what kind of doctor you want to be?
Her: Yes. An abortion doctor.
Me: That's... specific. What kind of specialty is that?
Her: It's own specialty? Or maybe you just major in abortions, I'm not entirely sure. I just want to give confused teenagers abortions, then while they're waking up from surgery I'll be there whispering in their ear like "you're going to hell, you murdering slut!"
She's a 4th year now, so watch out, World.
UGGGGGHHHH. As someone with three close family members with the potential to go into anaphylaxis (two in response to foods and one, terrifyingly, idiopathic), it drives me up the ****ing wall when people say they're allergic to stuff that just makes them feel "bad" in some way. My sister was just in the ED for it again in December (in fact, she lost consciousness while being driven to the hospital; my other sister pulled the car over and called EMS to take her the rest of the way). Words have actual meanings. This misuse of the word "allergy" is common, and it makes people less likely to be careful for those whose lives actually DO depend on utensils not being contaminated, etc.
(Vani Hari is the current object of most of my pseudoscience-related ire for similar reasons.)
Sorry. End rant.
I do know that a small proportion of people have a legitimate sensitivity besides celiac disease, but even so, I don't think it's an allergy, is it? But yes, I was indeed griping mostly about the people who merely think they have problems with foods that they don't.I would tend to agree with you, but to give her the benefit of the doubt, there is this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25701700
Sounds like she just has a dark sense of humor
My buddy on rounds: "Is Miss Smith a good candidate for Glucophage considering that it is Meant-for-men?"
My attending: "Ugh."