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Maybe they're trying to make the ideas more consumer friendly?I like to stay closer to academic feminism than the Women's studies 101 blogsphere. Everyday feminism has a lot of over simplification which bugs me.
Maybe they're trying to make the ideas more consumer friendly?I like to stay closer to academic feminism than the Women's studies 101 blogsphere. Everyday feminism has a lot of over simplification which bugs me.
Oh I get it for sure. I just prefer to read stuff that challenges meMaybe they're trying to make the ideas more consumer friendly?
I agree with you, actually, despite the vaguely smug sigh.
Here is why the "le sigh" is a bit smug, because pages like everday femenism and upworth claim the opposite of what you are saying.
An example from just today:
http://www.upworthy.com/3-posters-about-rape-culture-that-are-totally-worth-sharing?c=ufb1
Just poking a bit of fun at how bastardized things have become Enough derailment from me though.
Le sigh.
I also prefer more rigorous gender studies, but I'm conflicted, because this might be just a "Cartesian masculinization of thought" (Bordo).I like to stay closer to academic feminism than the Women's studies 101 blogsphere. Everyday feminism has a lot of over simplification which bugs me.
I hold clamps, retractors and laparoscopes for a surgeon I shadow. Maybe that's what she's getting at?ON TOPIC:
Me: What do you plan on doing this summer?
Premed Girl: I'm going to go find opportunities to go on medical missions abroad. I'm trying to find programs that will let me learn stuff like performing surgeries.
Me: Isn't that unethical?
Premed Girl: It is here, but it's fine in other countries since they aren't as restrictive.
Me: Won't admissions see that as a bad thing, since it shows that you're unethical?
Premed Girl: No, that's wrong. I will stand out in medical school applications, since I have actual experience while other premeds don't. It works the same way in graduate school and business school applications. Having actual experience is better. And since I'm going out of my way by going to other countries, they will be impressed by how dedicated I am.
Me: Ah okay. Good luck then!
I hold clamps, retractors and laparoscopes for a surgeon I shadow. Maybe that's what she's getting at?
If not, how is something unethical here, but perfectly fine somewhere else? That makes no sense.
She's a dingus.She meant actually learning how to do basic surgery, not holding stuff. And she's referring to the restrictions that prevent people from doing these sort of things here not being available in some third world countries.
Also because even that - holding stuff - is considered a huge liability risk, which is why most premeds do not do these things, or even scrub in. Most hospitals would throw a FIT about something like that (at mine, HR threw a fit even just for shadowing, and told a coworker who was asking about it "if someone else is doing it, just don't even tell me...I don't want to know, and if I did I'd have to stop it"). Those sorts of things are often considered absolutely nonpermissible, and the reason often given, even if not entirely true, is ethics.I hold clamps, retractors and laparoscopes for a surgeon I shadow. Maybe that's what she's getting at?
If not, how is something unethical here, but perfectly fine somewhere else? That makes no sense.
Well, I guess I'm lucky. I've scrubbed in on 2 out of 4 of the surgeries I've so far attended and the doctor let's me do all kinds of neat stuff. Today, I was responsible for the uterine manipulator during a laparoscopic total hysterectomy. I got to sit between the patients legs and work this "joy stick" like device which raised, lowered and otherwise manipulated her uterus. Hands on experience in the OR is something everyone should get, if they can.Also because even that - holding stuff - is considered a huge liability risk, which is why most premeds do not do these things, or even scrub in. Most hospitals would throw a FIT about something like that (at mine, HR threw a fit even just for shadowing, and told a coworker who was asking about it "if someone else is doing it, just don't even tell me...I don't want to know, and if I did I'd have to stop it"). Those sorts of things are often considered absolutely nonpermissible, and the reason often given, even if not entirely true, is ethics.
So if she WERE getting at clamp-holding, it may be called unethical here and not elsewhere, but what they really mean is that it's a liability.
Right, because it's cool...but it's definitely not required for an app, and in fact can raise eyebrows sometimes.Well, I guess I'm lucky. I've scrubbed in on 2 out of 4 of the surgeries I've so far attended and the doctor let's me do all kinds of neat stuff. Today, I was responsible for the uterine manipulator during a laparoscopic total hysterectomy. I got to sit between the patients legs and work this "joy stick" like device which raised, lowered and otherwise manipulated her uterus. Hands on experience in the OR is something everyone should get, if they can.
Lol, it just might be, but I think I can demonstrate my exposure to the OR without going into detail about any procedures I was a part of.Right, because it's cool...but it's definitely not required for an app, and in fact can raise eyebrows sometimes.
I am jelly, of course (though perhaps for the others you've mentioned FAR and above anything to do with the uterus...I don't even like my own, I feel no desire to interact with someone else's!)
It's ridiculous. And they won't even take 'em out to save you the hassle, even if you have no plans of using them. I know multiple people who would gladly remove their uterus (not the ovaries...as much as hormones suck, NO hormones is worse), but that's not allowed.Lol, it just might be, but I think I can demonstrate my exposure to the OR without going into detail about any procedures I was a part of.
The things women have to go through for their health, though.......O_O.
Lol. Premeds bashing physicians is pitiful.So I got a couple good ones.
People on this board have told me this
-DOs aren't anywhere close to equivalent to MD
-In some cases its better to go carribean then DO
-DOs are limited in Doctors without Borders
So I got a couple good ones.
People on this board have told me this
-DOs aren't anywhere close to equivalent to MD
-In some cases its better to go carribean then DO
-DOs are limited in Doctors without Borders
I've noticed a more sympathetic view of DOs on SDN, even in the pre-allo forum. I believe the only sources of anti-DO prejudice nowadays in from elderly MDs and ignorant pre-meds. Rock on.
Do you realize that a lot of high-stat applicants on here DO have well-rounded applications that, when reviewed holistically, make them very strong candidates apart from their stats?
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I've noticed a more sympathetic view of DOs on SDN, even in the pre-allo forum. I believe the only sources of anti-DO prejudice nowadays in from elderly MDs and ignorant pre-meds. Rock on.
Well, I guess I'm lucky. I've scrubbed in on 2 out of 4 of the surgeries I've so far attended and the doctor let's me do all kinds of neat stuff. Today, I was responsible for the uterine manipulator during a laparoscopic total hysterectomy. I got to sit between the patients legs and work this "joy stick" like device which raised, lowered and otherwise manipulated her uterus. Hands on experience in the OR is something everyone should get, if they can.
I've noticed a more sympathetic view of DOs on SDN, even in the pre-allo forum. I believe the only sources of anti-DO prejudice nowadays in from elderly MDs and ignorant pre-meds. Rock on.
Well, I guess I'm lucky. I've scrubbed in on 2 out of 4 of the surgeries I've so far attended and the doctor let's me do all kinds of neat stuff. Today, I was responsible for the uterine manipulator during a laparoscopic total hysterectomy. I got to sit between the patients legs and work this "joy stick" like device which raised, lowered and otherwise manipulated her uterus. Hands on experience in the OR is something everyone should get, if they can.
You can't rain on my parade!Holding the "joystick" on a LAVH is not "lucky", it is the lowest thing you can do in the OR besides stand to the side, and standing on the side, not scrubbed and away from the field is better than that if you ask me....
I was at an early breakfast the other day when a conversation was started about the physician shortage and NP's role in broadening healthcare. A girl piped up and mentioned that most aspiring physicians do not want to do primary care and would rather be specialists to pay off loans. Here's the kicker. She then proceeded to say how generalist physicians have a broader scope of medical knowledge than specialists.
She's waaayyy off.
whatI was at an early breakfast the other day when a conversation was started about the physician shortage and NP's role in broadening healthcare. A girl piped up and mentioned that most aspiring physicians do not want to do primary care and would rather be specialists to pay off loans. Here's the kicker. She then proceeded to say how generalist physicians have a broader scope of medical knowledge than specialists.
She's waaayyy off.
So I got a couple good ones.
People on this board have told me this
-DOs aren't anywhere close to equivalent to MD
-In some cases its better to go carribean then DO
-DOs are limited in Doctors without Borders
You'd think you would want at least some basic understanding of the match considering you are starting medical school, oh in a week! The ignorance doesn't go away kids.
Understanding how the match work won't help him in 4yrs when he is putting his list together?Well. It isn't really relevant for him since (it sounds like) he'll be attending a US M.D. school. He doesn't need that information to match - nor does it even help him match. And the match is almost 4 years down the road anyway. He could've gone the rest of his life without that information and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.
Huh?
Understanding how the match work won't help him in 4yrs when he is putting his list together?
Well. It isn't really relevant for him since (it sounds like) he'll be attending a US M.D. school. He doesn't need that information to match - nor does it even help him match. And the match is almost 4 years down the road anyway. He could've gone the rest of his life without that information and it wouldn't make a bit of difference.
You sure about that? Lol. Think about it.Specialists, specialize. As in they become experts in one particular thing. Generalists are a jack of all trades, master of none i.e. broader scope of medical knowledge. There is a difference between broader scope vs. more complex scope vs. more specific scope of knowledge.I was at an early breakfast the other day when a conversation was started about the physician shortage and NP's role in broadening healthcare. A girl piped up and mentioned that most aspiring physicians do not want to do primary care and would rather be specialists to pay off loans. Here's the kicker. She then proceeded to say how generalist physicians have a broader scope of medical knowledge than specialists.
She's waaayyy off.
[/QUOTE]You sure about that? Lol. Think about it.Specialists, specialize. As in they become experts in one particular thing. Generalists are a jack of all trades, master of none i.e. broader scope of medical knowledge. There is a difference between broader scope vs. more complex scope vs. more specific scope of knowledge.
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[/QUOTE]You sure about that? Lol. Think about it.Specialists, specialize. As in they become experts in one particular thing. Generalists are a jack of all trades, master of none i.e. broader scope of medical knowledge. There is a difference between broader scope vs. more complex scope vs. more specific scope of knowledge.
Just to clarify. Your post (and the reason why I responded to it) took point in the fact that she said PCP's have a broader scope of practice/knowledge than do specialists, and you felt this was not true.Yeah ok, but you can't say that categorically, which was why I even posted the statement in the first place. People have been under the belief that primary care physicians have been the best when it comes to preventive care and addressing issues that they would otherwise be referred to specialists about. I definitely think there is some truth to that. In regards to the girl's comment about pcps having a broader scope of knowledge, I don't dispute that. But I would qualify her contention a little bit, especially since it was an absolute statement.
First off, I believe that medical knowledge is a metric that needs to be measured in its effectiveness, and in this case, that unit is patient outcomes. Studies done at Dartmouth have shown that patient outcomes are no better when seeing a specialist, despite specialists taking on an aggressive role in treating the patient. However, pcps do not fare better either, according to some of the studies. Moreover, despite a pcp having such a broad range of knowledge, I think care needs to be coordinated with the hospital and other midlevel practitioners, etc to yield positive outcomes. I definitely agree with you, but I think she also said something like, "People should see more generalists." That doesn't necessary give better care based on knowledge alone.
I honestly hope that makes sense.
You're right, it doesn't make any difference to him at this point.
However, it does matter because he has been misinforming students who are considering a career in medicine by telling them that US-DO is not as good as Caribbean-MD. A college student might remember that time a medical student told them that matching back in the US isn't difficult when you go to a Caribbean medical school. Then they could subsequently only apply to US-MD/Caribbean-MD and not apply to any US-DO because they think it is the worst option.
Reminds me of this famous plot:A heme/onc colleague of mine once told me that "Medicine is knowing more and more about less and less"
Right, but someone with a misguided idea of the match might not do a straight priority ranking; it's easy to overthink something like that.Not a bit. You rank your priority regardless. Your "competition" only affects how the programs rank you, but you can't do anything with that information. The majority of match applicants never really understand how the match works - and it really wouldn't make any difference if they did.
I agree with you. For someone to not be labelled as "apathetic" or perhaps "willfully ignorant" in this situation where the information is, in fact, not necessary, would require the willfully ignorant person to understand the lack of necessity before hand, and in so knowing elect not to look into the residency match system. However, since they have no knowledge of the workings of the system now, it is clear they do not understand that the system works fine without their understanding of it, and therefore they might be called willfully ignorant, which is kind of lame.Right, but someone with a misguided idea of the match might not do a straight priority ranking; it's easy to overthink something like that.
I mean, you say "it doesn't matter if you understand, because you just behave like this" without acknowledging that you may not, in fact, behave thus if you don't understand
And if the majority of match applicants don't bother to do the research to figure out how the match works, then med students either aren't as smart or as driven as we're all led to believe. How could you NOT look up something like that?
Right. So, fine...they didn't need to know before they got to that stage themselves. But to say that there is no reason for people to look into it before they do it? That's crazy talk. Maybe the end result is the same, but that doesn't mean that it is a smart decision for people to make...it's a lucky one.I agree with you. For someone to not be labelled as "apathetic" or perhaps "willfully ignorant" in this situation where the information is, in fact, not necessary, would require the willfully ignorant person to understand the lack of necessity before hand, and in so knowing elect not to look into the residency match system. However, since they have no knowledge of the workings of the system now, it is clear they do not understand that the system works fine without their understanding of it, and therefore they might be called willfully ignorant, which is kind of lame.
Perhaps they don't need to know these things, but, for myself at least, I would be looking trying to learn as much as I could about the system I would soon be in, up to my neck.
Right, but someone with a misguided idea of the match might not do a straight priority ranking; it's easy to overthink something like that.
I mean, you say "it doesn't matter if you understand, because you just behave like this" without acknowledging that you may not, in fact, behave thus if you don't understand
And if the majority of match applicants don't bother to do the research to figure out how the match works, then med students either aren't as smart or as driven as we're all led to believe. How could you NOT look up something like that?
Right. So, fine...they didn't need to know before they got to that stage themselves. But to say that there is no reason for people to look into it before they do it? That's crazy talk. Maybe the end result is the same, but that doesn't mean that it is a smart decision for people to make...it's a lucky one.
I know as much as the AAMC allows to be available, and I'm pretty well versed on the popular/sensible theories on the rest which they won't confirm. I do and did care a LOT about this going into the MCAT, and can't fathom taking a test like this one without informing yourself.Do you know everything there is about how questions are vetted and validated for the MCAT and how all of the scoring is performed? I doubt it. It doesn't really matter - you try and answer the question correctly anyhow.
That's a terrible example. I don't give a jack about the history, but if my future depends on an algorithm and a very detailed, structured system, I want to know the details.You are massively over-thinking this. It's kind of like saying someone might not drive on the right side of the road if they don't understand the historical basis for driving on the right instead of the left. You don't have to know every detail in order to get where you need to go. And med students realize this quickly.
As for your last point: it's all relative. It's a "need to know" kind of issue. It's actually pretty intuitive to rank your priorities in order and there will be numerous discussions throughout medical school encouraging you to do exactly that. It would take some doing to convince most students to do otherwise.
I know as much as the AAMC allows to be available, and I'm pretty well versed on the popular/sensible theories on the rest which they won't confirm. I do and did care a LOT about this going into the MCAT, and can't fathom taking a test like this one without informing yourself.
I don't even know if I will get into medical school yet, but I apparently know more about the match process than the hypothetical 'most people' you discuss.
...but if my future depends on an algorithm and a very detailed, structured system, I want to know the details.
Anyway, there's no point in discussing this further. You think I am naive for thinking people should bother to inform themselves about the events in their own lives, and I think you are foolish for thinking otherwise. End of story. And yes, my wording of it is probably biased. I honestly tried to make it less so, but couldn't think of any other way to describe your point.
"I'm going to become a nurse and eventually be promoted to doctor." - No joke... When I was a senior in high school some girl had this brilliant idea.