Any advice on doing well on the surgery boards. What to study (please don't say "read a text book/Cameron cover to cover." Any tips? Is SESAP really as good/usefull as everyone makes it out to be?
It's been a few years.... but, I used SESAP & Osler course. I don't think the exam has changed much since I took it. It is my understanding that for recert, the ABS encourages the test takers to use the SESAP. So, at least for the first half of the exam, SESAP is supposed to be good.Any advice on doing well on the surgery boards. What to study (please don't say "read a text book/Cameron cover to cover." Any tips? Is SESAP really as good/usefull as everyone makes it out to be?
Not only that, I passed with a smile and real good memoriesJAD you know you only passed because you sat next to me in Osler!
If you can't pass after five years of a general surgery residency, you don't deserve to pass. Any single book/course is insufficient to replace the five year of learning and continuous reading you should have been doing during your resiency. The Qualifying Exam is simply about knowledge. The only thing I read just prior to the exam was the Fiser "ABSITE Review" book.
I have to echo what celiac has stated...failure means you failed the exam it does NOT necessarily mean you are untrained as a surgeon... but maybe untrained to take the exam. For those that have not been through this "combine", that statement may not make sense. Unfortunately, it is well known that residencies vary widely in their approach to TEACHING. You are more often then not, in some programs, left to learn the science on your own. Many programs "teaching conferences" are a joke. The review courses can, for some, help get you into the right frame of mind and appreciate what questions will be asked and possibly what they are looking for.... Residents will, if lucky, often hear from attendings that the actual course of treatment/surgery being undertaken, is NOT the right answer for the boards. So, I agree with celiac... I was extstatic to pass the exams. But, was less then thrilled with how well my residency actually prepared me for the qualifying examination.If you can't pass after five years of a general surgery residency, you don't deserve to pass. Any single book/course is insufficient to replace the five year of learning and continuous reading you should have been doing during your resiency. The Qualifying Exam is simply about knowledge. The only thing I read just prior to the exam was the Fiser "ABSITE Review" book.
Hate to break it to you, but I read both Sabiston and Cameron cover to cover. That being said I had a high score and over studied. The standard is actually fairly low for the qualifying exam and it is frightening that 25% fail.
Not only that, I passed with a smile and real good memories
What will undoubtedly be more frightening for you to learn is that the pass rate in 2009 for the QE was 75%, and the pass rate for the subsequent CE was 77%. That means presumably only 57.75% of examinees were able to become certified last year (.75 x .77).
It's unclear what the numbers are for first time test takers from this data, but if you just take these numbers at face value, the overall pass rate is quite low compared to other specialties.
I have to concur with Celiac and others. There are wide variations in the teaching as there are in residents learning styles, etc... Some residents are fortunate/gifted enough to be able and sit down and read cover to cover texts with high retention. That was not me or most of the residents I know. You can gain vasts amounts of book and other knowledge and still not be prepared to take the examination. To this day, I am grateful for my first time pass. I am not sure it was knowledge or just plain luck....Unfortunately, it is well known that residencies vary widely in their approach to TEACHING. You are more often then not, in some programs, left to learn the science on your own. Many programs "teaching conferences" are a joke. ...Residents will, if lucky, often hear from attendings that the actual course of treatment/surgery being undertaken, is NOT the right answer for the boards......some residencies knowingly defer any structured learning to the individual residents and then pay for the review course to wash their hands of the teaching responsibilities.
On the other end of the spectrum, programs may have practice written exams a few times per year (beyond ABSITE) and visiting professors once a year for a mock oral examination.
I took and passed the exam last August....While I studied intermittently...I started really buckling down and studying mid-June.
I did NOT read Cameron.
I did SESAP 12 and 13 twice each with a lot of time in the middle so I sort of forgot the stuff I missed.
Most people in my program used the Makary General Surgery Board Review Book. There are a couple mistakes...and it is not complete...but I took some notes in the margins and though it was pretty good.....I did not take a review course
For the orals I used Safe Answers and a set of 93 scenarios that got emailed around. I passed that in April...I wished I had taken it slightly earlier.