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[Jack is Back]

I think some people mentioned that they do GT on their iPad on the go? That could be a nice option.

Works on phones, ipad, etc.

It is a basic website, so basically anything that has internet connection. On my phone I don't even need the WiFi to use GT.

 

[Alvarez13]

And what's this...a new feature in GT?

"Discuss this topic with members of your community"

Love the continuous improvement attitude these guys have. Can't wait for another round of pictures and dare I say...video/animations!

 

[amaprez]

And what's this...a new feature in GT?

"Discuss this topic with members of your community"

Love the continuous improvement attitude these guys have. Can't wait for another round of pictures and dare I say...video/animations!

Not sure how I feel about this feature. What's to stop spam-bots from signing for free trials en masse and typing in ads for Cialis on every flashcard's discussion area?

Might be out there, but that's about how high my faith in the internet is

 

[islandCrazy]

Well they could easily prevent spam by putting in an approval system- meaning doesn`t get posted until a moderator approves it.

I think its a cool idea because Mnemonics help me a lot however I never create any I always use the medical mnemonics website or search online.

 

[JackShephard MD]

Well they could easily prevent spam by putting in an approval system- meaning doesn`t get posted until a moderator approves it.

I think its a cool idea because Mnemonics help me a lot however I never create any I always use the medical mnemonics website or search online.

They could just ensure that only paying users can post, or users with certain percentage banked/mastered.

 

[islandCrazy]

They could just ensure that only paying users can post, or users with certain percentage banked/mastered.

Yeah your idea is actually much better

 

[soccerboy2288]

Hi everyone, I was just wondering if most of you use the comprehensive mode for GT

Comprehensive seems to cover a lot of detail that I feel aren't too important (for example, in some biochem cards). I was told in general that you don't need to know that much detail for the step 1, so I was wondering if it'll be more efficient to do lite mode and read the entire flash card every time if there was a topic I'm not great at.

Also, I noticed that on comprehensive mode, you dont see certain topic for over a month if you rank it 3-5, whereas lite mode you see the same topic more frequently because you are doing less questions for each topic. I feel like for boards purpose its more important to cover more material with frequent exposure (lite mode), as opposed to covering topics in detail and seeing it less frequently.

Thoughts?? And thanks for your input!

 

[Sailor Senshi Dermystify]

Can someone respond to my question, please

 

[amaprez]

Can someone respond to my question, please

1) You read flashcard
2) You take quiz on flashcard
3) You rate it 1-5 on how well you know it
4) It programs how soon you will be quizzed on it again

Everyday you're quizzed on your scheduled flashcards. All the meanwhile you're 'banking' (reading-->quizzing-->rating) new flashcards.

FYI there's a free trial. Why not be proactive if you're curious?

 

[Sailor Senshi Dermystify]

1) You read flashcard
2) You take quiz on flashcard
3) You rate it 1-5 on how well you know it
4) It programs how soon you will be quizzed on it again

Everyday you're quizzed on your scheduled flashcards. All the meanwhile you're 'banking' (reading-->quizzing-->rating) new flashcards.

FYI there's a free trial. Why not be proactive if you're curious?

Thanks and I am proactive. I do have a free trail but of course it looks different from the website, that's all. So, everyday they will give me a quiz on what I learned previously, right? Also, are most of the quizzes open ended questions or do they have multiple choice? I noticed that my quizzes are opened ended questions and they don't mark my answer right or wrong, it just says show answer.

 

[gravitywave]

Hi everyone, I was just wondering if most of you use the comprehensive mode for GT

Comprehensive seems to cover a lot of detail that I feel aren't too important (for example, in some biochem cards). I was told in general that you don't need to know that much detail for the step 1, so I was wondering if it'll be more efficient to do lite mode and read the entire flash card every time if there was a topic I'm not great at.

Also, I noticed that on comprehensive mode, you dont see certain topic for over a month if you rank it 3-5, whereas lite mode you see the same topic more frequently because you are doing less questions for each topic. I feel like for boards purpose its more important to cover more material with frequent exposure (lite mode), as opposed to covering topics in detail and seeing it less frequently.

Thoughts?? And thanks for your input!

let's put it this way: when you start doing questions from things like UW and NBME tests later in your prep, you will get all the pharm, biochem, micro questions right if you do it on comprehensive mode. all of them. and they will be easy. as in, yawners.

lite mode doesn't necessarily show you things more frequently, it just keeps your overall daily question load down (less time invested) at the price of getting less out of the subscription.

Thanks and I am proactive. I do have a free trail but of course it looks different from the website, that's all. So, everyday they will give me a quiz on what I learned previously, right? Also, are most of the quizzes open ended questions or do they have multiple choice? I noticed that my quizzes are opened ended questions and they don't mark my answer right or wrong, it just says show answer.

they aren't going to tell you if you're right or wrong. if you write something in the little box they give you, no one ever reads that except you. the whole point is that you respond to the open-ended prompt and then rate your own recall of the answer they give when you click "show answer". There are multiple-choice questions, you tend to get more of those popping up for the first time when you do the review quizzes on the material you banked last week.

the free trial should look exactly like the real thing, so i don't really know what you mean by "of course it looks different."

 

[amaprez]

the free trial should look exactly like the real thing, so i don't really know what you mean by "of course it looks different."

Yeah I don't get it either. People will make the weirdest excuses to explain their laziness.

 

[ipizzy]

let's put it this way: when you start doing questions from things like UW and NBME tests later in your prep, you will get all the pharm, biochem, micro questions right if you do it on comprehensive mode. all of them. and they will be easy. as in, yawners.

lite mode doesn't necessarily show you things more frequently, it just keeps your overall daily question load down (less time invested) at the price of getting less out of the subscription.

Agree with this 100%.

 

[clifftacopter]

I have a quick question about switching from comprehensive to light mode. I am currently on comprehensive mode, but would like to switch to light for some topics (namely anatomy). If I switch to light while I just bank those topics, will all the comprehensive flashcards I've covered still pop up on my daily schedule or does it pare down everything?

 

[amaprez]

I have a quick question about switching from comprehensive to light mode. I am currently on comprehensive mode, but would like to switch to light for some topics (namely anatomy). If I switch to light while I just bank those topics, will all the comprehensive flashcards I've covered still pop up on my daily schedule or does it pare down everything?

Errrrrythang

 

[ipizzy]

Anatomy is one of the top sections where I feel comprehensive mode has helped me the most.

 

[clifftacopter]

Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to keep it on comprehensive. Anatomy is my least favorite subject so I guess I was just hoping deep down that the light mode would be more than sufficient.

 

[Sailor Senshi Dermystify]

let's put it this way: when you start doing questions from things like UW and NBME tests later in your prep, you will get all the pharm, biochem, micro questions right if you do it on comprehensive mode. all of them. and they will be easy. as in, yawners.

lite mode doesn't necessarily show you things more frequently, it just keeps your overall daily question load down (less time invested) at the price of getting less out of the subscription.



they aren't going to tell you if you're right or wrong. if you write something in the little box they give you, no one ever reads that except you. the whole point is that you respond to the open-ended prompt and then rate your own recall of the answer they give when you click "show answer". There are multiple-choice questions, you tend to get more of those popping up for the first time when you do the review quizzes on the material you banked last week.

the free trial should look exactly like the real thing, so i don't really know what you mean by "of course it looks different."

Thanks for responding and if you look at the tutorial on Gunner Training my page looks nothing like that. It looks different that's all.
Ok, so it is open ended questions and they are testing me on how I recall the topics at hand. The banked questions are questions I previously did that will show up again in my future quizzes, right?

 

[Sailor Senshi Dermystify]

Yeah I don't get it either. People will make the weirdest excuses to explain their laziness.

If you don't have nothing nice to say then don't comment at all because I am far from being LAZY. I just had a couple of questions since they don't have a great tutorial and plus I am using it for the MCAT instead.

 

[gravitywave]

Thanks for responding and if you look at the tutorial on Gunner Training my page looks nothing like that. It looks different that's all.
Ok, so it is open ended questions and they are testing me on how I recall the topics at hand. The banked questions are questions I previously did that will show up again in my future quizzes, right?

the difference is cosmetic alone, the system is always the same. honestly i found the best way to get used to GT was just to get in there and start using it. People have different ways of using the tool, and you'll find yours as well, but there's no substitute for just getting in there and poking around. that's what's so nice about the free trial. and if you start paying after your month is up, all your banked stuff stays banked, etc.

yes. once you've added cards to a quiz and you've taken the quiz, then those questions are in your review schedule; you take them by doing the review quiz that's available each day from your dashboard. if you go back to a card that you've already done, it will tell you you can't add any more qs because you did them already. the qs aren't gone, they're just in the review schedule now.

don't worry too much about exactly what consitutes a 3 versus a 4 for scoring and stuff like that. you should be able to get a feel for how well you're retaining the info as the questions come back around again (and again, and again...)

edit: just saw you are using GT on the MCAT side. i have no experience with that, maybe it does look different. i can't imagine the system being much different though - spaced learning is their stock in trade.

 

[amaprez]

If you don't have nothing nice to say then don't comment at all because I am far from being LAZY. I just had a couple of questions since they don't have a great tutorial and plus I am using it for the MCAT instead.

In person, yeah I subscribe to the same belief. But on a forum online, you should probably expect to be told when your poop stinks. It takes less than 5 mins to make a trial account and do just ONE flashcard. It'd easily answer your questions.

 

[islandCrazy]

I`m surprised at how much detail is in the Endocrine cards. While the number of cards is small the amount of information on each card is a lot. The physiology parts seem to be following BRS word for word almost. I watched Pathoma for Endocrine however I feel like the GT cards have so much more information.

 

[gravitywave]

I`m surprised at how much detail is in the Endocrine cards. While the number of cards is small the amount of information on each card is a lot. The physiology parts seem to be following BRS word for word almost. I watched Pathoma for Endocrine however I feel like the GT cards have so much more information.

those cards were a slog, yes.

 

[anonymous56]

Anyone else depressed when they add new cards and it brings down your % complete? I was looking at posts from early 2011 in this thread, and the card count was at 806. That would easily give me a 5% boost from where I'm at.

I mean I know it's a good thing, but it's really killing my motivation as I don't feel like I'm making progress. It's all mental I know.

 

[amaprez]

Dude the worst is when you bank cards & rate them 4's because you just read them and it's fresh. Then on your next several repetitions you forget some details and are forced to rate them 2 or 3. When this happens too much the line graph on my 'power analytics' section actually begins going down...aka getting worse with more reps

 

[Chirurg]

Anyone else depressed when they add new cards and it brings down your % complete? I was looking at posts from early 2011 in this thread, and the card count was at 806. That would easily give me a 5% boost from where I'm at.

I mean I know it's a good thing, but it's really killing my motivation as I don't feel like I'm making progress. It's all mental I know.

nah, I see it as a challenge. I love it when they add new cards.
I know, it sounds odd to be happy about more work.

 

[ipizzy]

is anyone else having trouble getting to their review quizzes?

 

[ThrusH]

Dude the worst is when you bank cards & rate them 4's because you just read them and it's fresh. Then on your next several repetitions you forget some details and are forced to rate them 2 or 3. When this happens too much the line graph on my 'power analytics' section actually begins going down...aka getting worse with more reps

This is completely demotivating. I have added a number of cards where we learned 75% of the information, and I hoped I could learn and retain the rest of the info (e.g. the nephrology card for acid-base, which includes a ton of acid-base disorders - damn MUDPILERS and FUSED CARS), and I end up consistently rating those in the area of 2-3. The only reason I end up rating them a 3 here-and-there is because I don't want to see the card again. I know I could always go and change the next review date, but I want to learn the info (c'mon multiple passes!). My power analytics shows me getting dumber the more I repeat cards

 

[bbaggins]

It has happened to me a few times that I learn something well, then after not seeing it for a while I completely forget it, and after rating it 1 a few times I have to do it pretty frequently for a few weeks. But I've found that when this happens, as would be expected, after mastering it the second time I understand the concepts and remember the details way better than I ever did, and it seems to stay in the long term memory from then on

 

[Jack is Back]

If I miss a card often, I will read a little extra in a textbook or find a good picture or diagram, etc. I try to deepen the conceptual learning of it (when possible).

Then I rate the card low for the next few times I do it (1's and 2's) and I find that the conceptual basis of remembering starts to become associated with the bullet facts. I'm not even 20% banked yet though, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

 

[lrkoehle]

If I miss a card often, I will read a little extra in a textbook or find a good picture or diagram, etc. I try to deepen the conceptual learning of it (when possible).

Then I rate the card low for the next few times I do it (1's and 2's) and I find that the conceptual basis of remembering starts to become associated with the bullet facts. I'm not even 20% banked yet though, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Wikipedia is where I go. In my browser, I have a wikipedia tab open right next to my GT tab at all times.

 

[Jack is Back]

Picking the core resources.

I think GT is pretty comprehensive and maybe GT + UWorld + FA may be enough.

Is sitting down and reading BRS physio chapters worth it?

I would venture that these are the core resrouces:

FA
BRS Physio
RR Goljan / Pathoma
BRS Behavioral Science
Neuro - nothing

I wonder if this is too much spreading efforts?

 

[lrkoehle]

Picking the core resources.

I think GT is pretty comprehensive and maybe GT + UWorld + FA may be enough.

Is sitting down and reading BRS physio chapters worth it?

I would venture that these are the core resrouces:

FA
BRS Physio
RR Goljan / Pathoma
BRS Behavioral Science
Neuro - nothing

I wonder if this is too much spreading efforts?

I think your core of GT, UWorld, & FA would be rock solid. If you have time to supplement a thorough review of those 3 with some BRS and RR, I would guess you'd be golden. Honestly, a high mastery % on GT and thorough review/completion of UWorld would probably be pretty darn good too.

 

[gravitywave]

Wikipedia is where I go. In my browser, I have a wikipedia tab open right next to my GT tab at all times.

this

Picking the core resources.

I think GT is pretty comprehensive and maybe GT + UWorld + FA may be enough.

Is sitting down and reading BRS physio chapters worth it?

I would venture that these are the core resrouces:

FA
BRS Physio
RR Goljan / Pathoma
BRS Behavioral Science
Neuro - nothing

I wonder if this is too much spreading efforts?

GT/UW/FA/RR Path/RR Biochem/BRS Physio, it's not too much if you start early

ended up supplementing Neuro with class notes. i think GT is weak on cardio too, but thankfully i did a good job of learning most of that stuff the first time around

my UW averages are good

i'll let you know how it goes; exam is in less than a month

 

[kaleerkalut]

And what's this...a new feature in GT?

"Discuss this topic with members of your community"

Love the continuous improvement attitude these guys have. Can't wait for another round of pictures and dare I say...video/animations!

I have a question in general about GT.

I just started with a free trial right now and I opted to do the very first topics that popped up. I chose the Micro section and started with S. aureus and S. epidermidis, added the 5 quiz questions, and took the quiz. After each question when I hit the right arrow to see the answers, it showed me the answer in red and then showed me all of the information below related to the subject.

My question is...do you guys read all of that every time (or even the first time) the question pops up?

I read through all of it before starting the quiz but I'm wondering if it is better to just add quiz questions before reviewing and then reading when things pop up. Insight would be helpful, particularly because I'm starting really late in the game (about 3.5 months until the beast). Thanks in advance

P.S. I just discovered comprehensive mode and read there little description. So how many quiz questions are there total in lite mode (for the 1038 cards) and how many quiz questions are there total in comprehensive mode (for the 1038 cards)? Thanks again

 

[ThrusH]

If I'm rattling off the answer verbatim/have 0 issue remembering and it's obviously going to be rated a 5, I spend half a second glancing at the info to make sure I'm right. If the card is a 3 or below, I try to read everything and make sure I understand what is being asked. The more times I read the card/answer, the closer to verbatim I spit out the answer choice.

 

[JP2740]

How long would it take to go through first year material using this?

 

[Jack is Back]

How long would it take to go through first year material using this?

157 hrs

 

[JP2740]

157 hrs

Can't tell if joking or not

 

[Jack is Back]

Can't tell if joking or not

It really depends how well you know the material and how fast you move through it. What if I asked how long it would take to prepare for a Biochem final, what is the answer to that.

 

[JP2740]

I understand. I wasn't looking for an exact approximation. More like how much time generally should I be willing to reasonably get through it. As in, would I be fine with starting in the Summer without wasting my summer and getting through M1 stuff?

 

[Jack is Back]

I understand. I wasn't looking for an exact approximation. More like how much time generally should I be willing to reasonably get through it. As in, would I be fine with starting in the Summer without wasting my summer and getting through M1 stuff?

If you learned the material well you could finish M1 in a summer. I wouldn't recommend it though. I think the people who use GT successfully are the ones who fit it into a daily routine.

Some people add 5 cards a day, some can do 20 cards a day. There are 1000 cards, of which less than half are M1.

 

[Kalyx]

I would like to give GT a try.

Could someone please PM me a promo code?


Thank you so much!

 

[loveoforganic]

I'm a first year, about to take my first block of tests for second semester, and I'm following a traditional curriculum.

I assume that if I start GT in a week or so (after my test), I could get through all of first year's material by the end of this summer going at not too extreme of a pace?

Also, how are the notecards divided for you to do? You pick a set number of new cards to do each day, then you just open up a topic and do that many cards + however many reviews you're scheduled for? Are the topics like gross, histo, etc., or is it more like bone histo, head and neck anatomy, etc.?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Jack is Back]

I'm a first year, about to take my first block of tests for second semester, and I'm following a traditional curriculum.

I assume that if I start GT in a week or so (after my test), I could get through all of first year's material by the end of this summer going at not too extreme of a pace?

Also, how are the notecards divided for you to do? You pick a set number of new cards to do each day, then you just open up a topic and do that many cards + however many reviews you're scheduled for? Are the topics like gross, histo, etc., or is it more like bone histo, head and neck anatomy, etc.?

Thanks in advance!

You add one notecard at a time, there are 1000. You can add 1 from anywhere in the stack at anytime at any pace. Topics are organized exactly how First Aid is. The table of contents of FA is the organization of GT, then there are subsets of topics. Free trial will allow you to see all this.

Many people start GT in 2nd year, so it is definitely possible to do first year whenever. With that said, you can gain mastery faster and easier (i.e. keep your daily amount of GT time down) by starting earlier. If you absolutely master (i.e. 45% banked, 45% mastery) 1st year going into 2nd year, you're in great shape.

 

[LadyLightning20]

@ Kalyx: PM'd. Good luck.

 

[JP2740]

What's the promo code for? Can you PM me one?

It offers the free trial month on the website, is this different?

 

[bbaggins]

I'm a first year, about to take my first block of tests for second semester, and I'm following a traditional curriculum.

I assume that if I start GT in a week or so (after my test), I could get through all of first year's material by the end of this summer going at not too extreme of a pace?

Also, how are the notecards divided for you to do? You pick a set number of new cards to do each day, then you just open up a topic and do that many cards + however many reviews you're scheduled for? Are the topics like gross, histo, etc., or is it more like bone histo, head and neck anatomy, etc.?

Thanks in advance!

I think you could easily get through first year stuff by the end of summer. As you master a topic, you see it less frequently and have more time to add other cards.

There is a section for each organ system, pulmonary, renal, GI etc.... Within each organ system you can pick a sub-section for anatomy/histology, physiology, pathology, or pharmacology. Within each subsection there are cards on various topics, such as acic-base balance under renal, physiology. In addition to the sections based on organ systems, there is a biochem section, general anatomy, pharmacology, pathology, embryo and so on.

You can pick whatever card you want to, however many cards you want to in a day. The cards have a variable amount of information and questions associated with them, so you could do a bunch of shorter cards or a few longer cards in the same time period. If on some day you have a huge number of review questions, you may not even add any new cards and wait for an easier day. It's really however you want to use it.

 

[secants]

Is there a way to see which cards/topics people have posted discussions for? I don't usually go back to banked cards so I'm curious if there's some update feed or something.

 

[ThrusH]

I came across my first comment today while adding some older topics to my bank. If you have banked Nephrology--> Anatomy --> Loop of Henle, and haven't seen any notification I doubt you'll see anything.

I have a feeling the card may be wrong where it says "K+ leak channels in the luminal membrane allow electrochemical potential gradient to drive further reabsorption of cations: K+, Mg++ and Ca++." Wikipedia states "This K+ "leak" generates a positive electrochemical potential difference in the lumen. The electrical gradient drives more reabsorption of Na+, as well as other cations such as magnesium (Mg2+) and importantly calcium Ca2+." I don't feel like leaving any feedback after their recent email asking for only cosmetic fixes.