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  1. fyfanatic

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    I'm having a lot of trouble ranking these prelim programs in NYC...I don't mind being in a challenging program as long as the teaching is good and you are provided with some guidance and support from other residents/attendings.

    The ones I'm having trouble with are:
    Beth Israel
    Montefiore
    NY downtown
    SUNY Downstate
    NY Hospital of Queens

    Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks!
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    gutonc No Meat, No Treat Administrator SDN Senior Moderator

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    BI
    Any other prelim program not on your list
    Starbuck's
    Monte
    NYHQ
    NYDT/Downstate
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    Uh oh....that bad, huh?
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    I guess you could put Monte above Starbuck's.
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    The only good thing about Beth Israel is the housing - it's the only medicine prelim I've seen that gives prelims more floor months than categoricals (ends up being 10 months on wards/in unit with ACGME minimum 1 month elective, 1 month vacation).
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    For prelim year, I think you should rank by location:

    Beth Israel (best location, better reputation than NY Downtown)
    NY Downtown (next best location, now affiliated with Cornell)
    Montefiore (best reputation in this list, but location in Bronx)
    NY Hospital of Queens (not in Manhattan)
    SUNY Downstate (unsafe location, would not rank)
  7. fyfanatic

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    Yea that's the thing that's swaying me away from Beth Israel even though the location is awesome.
    Whereas at SUNY Downstate, the location sucks but the schedule is actually not that bad. The prelims have 5 months on the floor with sign-out at 3:30pm. So the residents were saying that if all your patients are stable and you get your work done, you can usually leave around 4-5pm which is pretty good for interns. And the prelims get 2 months of elective time plus 1 month of ambulatory block...together with vacation, that's 4 easy months with no call....
    I just don't know what's more important....a better schedule or a better location...
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    how exactly is the prelim schedule set up for beth israel? the website is a bit confusing and I'm trying to decide if I should go interview there from texas. thanks!
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    I'd put Monte above BI. It's reputation and teaching is definitely better; and by living in the Bronx you will be paying $600 in rent; you can have a car (garage is $60) - and you are withing walking distance to two subway stations. For comparison, the Metropolitan museum is equidistant from BI and Monte - but at Monte your quality of life will be better.
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    For those in the know, do any of these offer subsidized housing?
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    Downstate does not offer housing
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    I don't know anything about the other programs, but what's the reason for Downstate being so low? (you went there, right?)
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    Also wondering about ranking prelim programs.
    Anyone have input about Flushing medical hospital center and Westchester medical center/New york medical college?
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    If you applied and interviewed, I would recommend considering Lincoln in the Bronx. I live on Wall St. and the subway ride is 24 minutes straight without transfers. For a Preliminary year, it is actually pretty easy. Yes it is a busy hospital, but there are enough residents to spread the work around. Typical day is 7:30-4:30. Unlike some places (ahem, Downstate), Lincoln is pretty good with telling the truth at interviews and following work hour regulations.

    Oh and they offer housing at $500 a month in Manhattan's upper east side.
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    How many months do they spend on the floors? ICU? I remember someone saying on interview day that the housing is dorm-style, where you have to share a bathroom with the people on the same hall.
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    Schedule varies, but this is mine:

    Floors - 7 blocks
    MICU day time - 1 block (most difficult)
    MICU night time - 1 block (very easy)
    Night float - 2 x 0.5 blocks
    Vacation - 2 x 0.5 blocks or 1 block
    Electives - 2 blocks

    I believe the housing is dorm style. But $500 in manhattan is hard to beat. Again, I live in my own apartment.

    My average patient load is 4. The most I have carried is 8. I work about 62 hours a week on the floors. I have time to eat 1-2 hour lunches most days. I have no complaints.
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    Location:

    Beth Israel (near L, near LES)
    NY downtown (near every line, financial district)
    Lincoln (near 2,4,5, somewhat dangerous neighborhood)
    Montefiore (near 4, fairly safe neighborhood)
    NY Hospital of Queens (several blocks from 7, in Flushing)
    SUNY Downstate (near 2,5, very dangerous neighborhood)

    Training:

    Montefiore > SUNY Downstate > NYHQ >= Beth Israel > NY Downtown > Lincoln

    EMR:

    Lincoln - HHC
    SUNY Downstate - HHC + ???
    NYHQ - transitioning to full EMR
    Montefiore - partial EMR
    Beth Israel - partial EMR
    NY Downtown - partial, ancient EMR

    Quality of Life:

    Lincoln = NY Downtown = NYHQ > Beth Israel >= SUNY Downstate >> Montefiore



    If you're looking for a real medicine year, Montefiore hands down. Clinical experience at SUNY Downstate would be good too. That said, most people from these medical schools avoid their home prelim programs (Einstein people all choose Jacobi over Monte for prelim).
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    As a Downstate student, I can tell you that the location is perfectly fine. I have never had problems commuting to and from there via public transportation at any hour. Like any other place, keep your wits about you and you'll be fine. Most Downstate students and residents live in Park Slope in Brooklyn - very trendy upscale neighborhood. Manhattan vibe at Brooklyn prices. I think you'd get very solid training there.

    NYHQ - I grew up in Flushing, Queens and was a volunteer at NYHQ for a long time. A lot has obviously changed since I was there, but its a solid hospital. A friend's wife is a surgery resident there. She's happy there.

    Montefiore is probably the best hospital on your list. I think its a great place to work and I know some surgical residents there who are pretty happy with the place. However, location is a drag, but they have nice housing just across the street, and Manhattan is pretty easily accessible.

    BI and NYDowntown - UGH. These places are dumps. However, they are in the heart of Manhattan if thats where you want to be. Do remember that you'll be shelling out Manhattan prices though. Still. if its only for a year, do strongly consider them as it would be a great experience.
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    not to thread jack but re prelim at weiler/moses...any inside word from anyone on this prelim? esp if there are any program changes with a newer pd?

    wondering re cap for how many pts prelim interns carry and can admit (if any cap)? couldn't interview there but applied by virtue of a "linked" program...would really appreciate any input (if you feel like pm'ing, please do). thank you
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    How would you guys rank these 3 prelim med programs on training and hours?

    LICH
    Maimo
    NY Downtown
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    maimo seemed awesome! 5 months of elective time and only 4.5 months of wards. ny downtown seems like they work really hard AND the salary is SH.IT compared to other NYC programs (47K vs ~57-58K).
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    :lol:
    Hospital closing (eventually)
    Not closing (as far as I know).
    Residency closing.


    Did that help? :p
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    Yikes, sorry DermGirl.

    Yeah, they made it pretty clear they exploit their prelims, sorry you got sucked into that trap.

    Great location, but not at all worth it - might as well go to an academic center where you will be treated the same as the categoricals and at least learn something (maybe).
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    . double post. sorry
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    Maimonides sounds like an amzing prelim place. 5 months of electives! i ranked them highly

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