I called the job market saturation years ago!

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5minutes said:
Remember I never claim to make $180k with the federal. So get it right lol.

Exactly, although I make more than $90/hour over time.
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Since you are bragging you are making 180 k a year working on an indian reservation, what is your base salary if you work 40 hours a week (not including OT, sign on bonus, income from other sources, etc).
 
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I guess there are plenty of young, single pharmacists who are making bank while working on an Indian reservation lol
 
BMBiology said:
I guess there are plenty of young, single pharmacists who are making bank while working on an Indian reservation lol
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I know you don't want to admit to it, but federal jobs can pay damn good if you're in the right region. Just the locality bump for some areas is up to 35%, with individual incentive bumps of up to 40% depending on the agency. On top of that they are sometimes allowed to give yearly spot bonuses.

How the hell else do you think the VA finds medical doctors, surgeons, radiologists, anesthesiologists, etc...willing to work for them?
 
While 5minutes is, on a technical level, correct, I think there's some obfuscation going on in terms of his source of income that has allowed this giant discussion to swirl relatively unchecked.

But who cares, because this is all unverifiable anyway. I can say I rake in $400k/yr on here and only about 4 people on here would be able to call me out on it with certainty.

And this doesn't even count all the "in confidence" information I know about the actual employment status of a few prolific posters in here. There very much inflation and overstatement going on.

In short...it's the internet in all its glory playing out.
 
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The salaries are all posted online and are public information. The VA posts their salaries. The Indian Health Service also posts their salaries. VA pays their pharmacists very well while the IHS doesn't. That is just a fact. That is why it is odd. Anyways, it doesn't matter. It cant be verify anyways.
 
IHS is advertising up to GS-12 pay in the Phoenix area, around $112k a year can be authorized if you have at least a year of previous experience as a pharmacist. Then throw in the locality pay and any authorized bonus pay. Locality pay is 16% over there. That gets you to $129,920. Beyond that, the mother institution (department of health and human services,) is authorized to give a special additional bonus salary of 25k a year or so. Most people don't realize that, but it is authorized. That would put him at $154,920 before overtime.

Just saying, you can make a lot more than people realize being a federal employee.
 
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IHS is advertising up to GS-12 pay in the Phoenix area, around $112k a year can be authorized if you have at least a year of previous experience as a pharmacist. Then throw in the locality pay and any authorized bonus pay. Locality pay is 16% over there. That gets you to $129,920. Beyond that, the mother institution (department of health and human services,) is authorized to give a special additional bonus salary of 25k a year or so. Most people don't realize that, but it is authorized. That would put him at $154,920 before overtime.

Just saying, you can make a lot more than people realize being a federal employee.
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How do you get GS-12 pay? He has not even worked one year as a pharmacist so his base salary is much less. Look it up. It is posted online. It is on an Indian reservation. Usually out of nowhere. That is why they are still having a hard time recruiting pharmacists.

No one is saying the federal gov doesn't pay well. I am saying the IHS is known to pay the lowest rate.
 
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I was under the impression that pharmacists come in at GS-12 with a GS-14 ceiling, I remember looking this up for AF.
 
BMBiology said:
How do you get GS-12 pay? He has not even worked one year as a pharmacist so his base salary is much less. Look it up. It is posted online.

No one is saying the federal gov doesn't pay well. I am saying the IHS is known to pay the lowest rate.
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Alright, GS 11 is authorized for anyone with a PharmD and it pays up to $95,539, plus locality gives $110825, plus up to 25k a year bonus authorized under special compensation tables. That still gets him up to $135,825 before overtime if he played hardball during negotiations. Not counting any housing being given to him, he'd only have to do another 16 or so hours a week to reach 180k
 
You make that much working for cvs lol

Why would someone work on an Indian reservation when he has other options? I have to give him props tho. He knew how bad it is out there. Just look at his previous posts. He did the right thing. He took whatever option that is still available to him.
 
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BMBiology said:
You make that much working for cvs lol

Why would someone work on an Indian reservation when he has other options? I have to give him props tho. He knew how bad it is out there. Just look at his previous posts. He did the right thing. He took whatever option that is still available to him.
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My guess? http://literacynet.org/lp/namericans/census.html

You're going to have a super laid back job. Soooo few customers. It would be like robbing the government, honestly. I know it's old data, but I'm sure it hasn't changed THAT much in 20 years.
 
BMBiology said:
You make that much working for cvs lol

Why would someone work on an Indian reservation when he has other options? I have to give him props tho. He knew how bad it is out there. Just look at his previous posts. He did the right thing. He took whatever option that is still available to him.
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He is not a citizen, he does not have a choice of employers. He is relying on any employers that provide H1B/GC sponsor. Anyone who is willing to sponsor him, he will take the job. Retails stop sponsoring international student and foreigners since ~2011. Obviously, anywhere else >>> Barrow, Alaska, so he moved.
 
jafx said:
Wow, he's super lucky to have gotten a federal job without citizenship. That's quite hard to do.
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I think he uses OPT before he switch a job that gave him H1B. I am not entirely sure but yea, normally gov job will want you to have citizenship.
 
so much hatred for me...i must have hurt your feelings! :bow:
 
Since the academics lied to everyone about the job market, BMBiology's posts don't bother me. Someone has to keep the fire alive!


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Just so we are clear, I have never complained about my job, my company or my work as a pharmacist. I got into this profession when it was hard to get into and fortunately, I graduated when there was still a shortage. I didn't settle for a retail position because having slaved away as an intern, I knew I would be miserable as a retail pharmacist. My persistence paid off. I found a job that I like and as a result, I have done well for myself. Nice salary, good benefits. The best part is I get to enjoy the finer things in life with my family and friends.

P.S I figure you have plenty of free time on your hand. So go ahead. Search my posts. Prove me wrong.
 
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Is it because I graduated when there was a demand for pharmacists?

I keep on complaining about my job right? I am sure you can find a few of those posts.
 
I rotated at an IHS and if you are making anywhere close to 180k (including benefits or whatever), then there is a serious problem with how they are distributing their allocated budget or approving overtime. I remember the handling and dispensing of certain medication were a complete joke (the 3 month supply to each patient even includes Plan B! which allowed 3 packs to be dispensed). You need to be doing a lot more than just staffing to justify pay on that level. Could you kindly let us know where your site is so that we can fix where federal money is going? This is a disservice to the American taxpayers.
 
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5minutes said:
I never claim to make $180k with IHS since the beginning of this thread. That is the problem with bmb. He assumes things and make it up his imagination. I let him to continue because it makes me laugh so hard.
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I even pointed that out here:

jafx said:
Technically he's claiming to be making 180k a year while working at an Indian reservation.

Fully doable if you make good real estate investments or have a business on the side.
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Yet BMB didn't care, it didn't fit the agenda.
 
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So we all agreed he can't possibly make 180 k a year working on an indian reservation alone. He must have another source of income. My guess is he is a young stallion and he is dating some indian cougar on the side or he is a high roller at an indian casino.
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jafx said:
I even pointed that out here:

Yet BMB didn't care, it didn't fit the agenda.
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I can say pretty certain that 5mins has no real estate or major investment that brings in 50k/yr. Generally, H1B workers can't have a business = practically illegal. It's just a lot of OTs.
 
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I rotated at an IHS and if you are making anywhere close to 180k (including benefits or whatever), then there is a serious problem with how they are distributing their allocated budget or approving overtime. I remember the handling and dispensing of certain medication were a complete joke (the 3 month supply to each patient even includes Plan B! which allowed 3 packs to be dispensed). You need to be doing a lot more than just staffing to justify pay on that level. Could you kindly let us know where your site is so that we can fix where federal money is going? This is a disservice to the American taxpayers.
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He kept on saying he works at the largest hospital in the IHS. My guess is Navajo. The Feds post salaries of their workers so I am sure it can be confirmed online. But who cares. Anybody can claim online they make so and so.
 
I'm enjoying the butchering of bmb about as much as I'm enjoying the butchering of the queen's language.
 
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I'm enjoying the butchering of bmb about as much as I'm enjoying the butchering of the queen's language.
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Honestly, it's better English than the majority of the southern states speak. It's extremely difficult to speak, form thought processes, write, etc... in a second language when you're upset.
 
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Some people just can't let it go.

Apparently we all misinterpreted what he meant or he is just backing off from his claim.

Anyways, who cares? We are not asking for your W-2. Move on already.
 
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I think it's awesome that all the hilarious squabbling has generated over 3000 views in a few days for this thread.
 
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BMBiology said:
Just so we are clear, I have never complained about my job, my company or my work as a pharmacist. I got into this profession when it was hard to get into and fortunately, I graduated when there was still a shortage. I didn't settle for a retail position because having slaved away as an intern, I knew I would be miserable as a retail pharmacist. My persistence paid off. I found a job that I like and as a result, I have done well for myself. Nice salary, good benefits. The best part is I get to enjoy the finer things in life with my family and friends.

P.S I figure you have plenty of free time on your hand. So go ahead. Search my posts. Prove me wrong.
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BMB, are you still in managed care?

If so, it's a sweet area to be in!
 
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Still liking it? Or has it soured on you?

Maybe 5minutes can do something similar. Maybe not pay 180K though. LOL
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I am still kicking it. I am hoping to be here for the next 20 years but at the same time, I have to be realistic. Managed care positions have been moving to the east coast. There is always a fear within my group that if we lose a big contract, then we would be the next to go. That's just life. So I am pouring money into my retirement while I am still young. I don't want to be that 60 year old pharmacist who had to keep on working because he doesn't have enough money to retire.
 
jafx said:
I think it's awesome that all the hilarious squabbling has generated over 3000 views in a few days for this thread.
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which goes to show the majority of us here, are here for the bickering and catfights. Now carry on. Kudos to 5minutes for clearly starting this entertaining thread by intentionally implying (even though he didn't outright state) that he was making $180,000 from the NHS (or maybe it wasn't intentional, and really was an accidental implication....either way, free entertainment.)
 
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5minutes said:
I say it is time for you to quit pharmacy before it is too late. I predicted back in 1986 the saturation of pharmacy. I believe we still have 9 years of saturation.
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Soon the robots will replace pharmacists and pharmageddon will begin...

They're coming to get you:

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You're implying that it's not all from IHS, but then you're also implying it's from working overtime. Rather than waste everybody's time with a bunch of cryptic "I didn't say that" "show me where I said that" bull****, just tell us how you are bringing in 180k. I'd love to know. Maybe you have some tips that I could replicate. Heaven knows I'd like to earn some extra cash.
 
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You're really obsessed with telling us about how much you make.
 
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You're really obsessed with telling us about how much you make.
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Might be the most anyone in his family has ever made, perhaps more in one year than some have made in a lifetime. Hell, half what he's stating might be more than his parents made in their entire lifetime. We don't know what country he is from.

He might have a good reason to be so proud. Sometimes we Americans forget how damn good even our poorest people have it. (Welfare and US prison give a better quality of life than the middle class in many countries.)
 
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jafx said:
Might be the most anyone in his family has ever made, perhaps more in one year than some have made in a lifetime. Hell, half what he's stating might be more than his parents made in their entire lifetime. We don't know what country he is from.

He might have a good reason to be so proud. Sometimes we Americans forget how damn good even our poorest people have it. (Welfare and US prison give a better quality of life than the middle class in many countries.)
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I make more than most of my family members too, but at least I make an effort to be vague and post data only when it's relevant.

It's just the same posts over and over and over again. Bmb is a ***** and I make $180k, I win the internet.
 
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In response to Bmb post about salary decrease and you guys keep having questions about it. I am obsessed with being positive. Bmb is obsessed with being So Dam Negative.
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I get it, you are Ying and Yang.
 
My guess is that he writes romance novels on the side. Expect hits like "Sex and the Reservation" and "Me and my 180k". Ok, ok that is enough
for tonight!
 
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My cousin's parents make over $100k net profit/day, own 100+ auto dealerships that sell Toyota, Honda, Yamaha, Chevrolet, and Suzuki -_-; They said their next target is to make a profit of $200k/day. They pay like 0 tax, bribed the tax man so much. But, they are stingy as fu3k. Will not share food, stingy on the meat when cooking, don't tip well, taking profit when selling cars to the family (we buy from competitor to get a better discount LOL), take hotel toiletries, and airplane toothbrush/combs. They got all these through inheritance.

My mom got 0, she had to resort selling ice at one point in her life @4 cents a bag. It is stupid Chinese tradition to pass along all wealth to the sons only. She is extremely frugal and conservative. She makes about 3X as much as me now doing nothing (thru interest income, landlord, land appreciation).

It sucks I have to work 1 year to net what my cousin make in a day~
 
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