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It's my problem that the DoD continues to employ functionally illiterate people. It's embarrassing
Well I'm special. Momma always said...........oh wait...........we-------ll I am.........sp..........ecial. That help?It's my problem that the DoD continues to employ functionally illiterate people. It's embarrassing
You forgot the period.It's my problem that the DoD continues to employ functionally illiterate people. It's embarrassing
They take the same oath you did?
Lmfao. BEST YET!!!!!!!!! Your comparing the IDMT program to the Nazis defense? Yea reminds me of a great quote. "it's funny how sometimes the people you'd take a bullet for are the ones behind the trigger."
Nope. Nuremberg was just one situation in which soldiers claimed that what they were doing wasn't their fault because they were just following orders, yours is another. You keep eluding to the fact that what occurs in an IDMT's practice isn't the IDMT's fault, but rather his superior officer's. I'm just pointing out that the defense has been used before. The link uses Nuremberg as one example, but lists many. If your conscience leads you to believe that there's a link between what you did and the Nazis, that's your on you.Lmfao. BEST YET!!!!!!!!! Your comparing the IDMT program to the Nazis defense? Yea reminds me of a great quote. "it's funny how sometimes the people you'd take a bullet for are the ones behind the trigger."
Ritu Ghatourey
Well I got out about a year ago. As of that time you needed to be a 4N051 and an E5. That is to say you would have had to have completed basic training, technical training (EMT-B and Intermediate nursing), OJT and correspondence courses. All 4Nox1 Airmen hold a National EMT-B Certification and are eligible to challenge LPN exams immediately after training. An E5 in the Air Force would have to be in for about 4 years. Imagining that the first year your in training you would have about 3 years of clinical experience screening in patients and discussing their conditions with the MD. Thats typically 18 patients a day 5 days a week 52 weeks a year, so after 3 years that is about 14000 patients give or take for leave and holidays. After that you must have commander approval and a letter of recommendation from a 4N E7 or higher to ensure you are not a ***** and then may apply to IDMT school. IDMT school is a 7day a week course though I don't remember how long it is. After you complete your IDMT training you will return to your base and begin seeing patients under the very direct (literally looking over your shoulder) supervision of a board certified physician, usually the medical directer. After a few months of that they ill sign off and you will be able to see patients similar in scope to a PA. Fun fact the IDMT is what gave birth to the PA field. IDMTs were trained in response to not having enough Doctors in the war setting. Afterwards PAs were developed in response to not having enough Doctors in the private sector. For a bit more info on IDMTs go to this link http://www.metc.mil/academics/IDMT/How much experience is usually required to apply to IDMT school? E6 with 10 in? E4 with 5 in? Can you go straight from your A school? I'm curious how they match up to IDCs.
Though the article that you reference does state that former corpsmen were some of the first to go to the first formal PA school that does not necessarily mean that it was based off of the IDC training. In fact the same article states "Stead based the curriculum of the PA program on his knowledge of the fast-track training of doctors during World War II". During WWII the majority of the medical needs were taken care of by the Army. During the same time period the Air Force was not its own entity yet and was still known as the Army Air Corps. Therefore one could easily draw the conclusion that PA training is closer to the Air Force than the Navy. I am not saying that one or the other is better than the other or that they are the same training. They are however very similar to each other and anyone who says that one is better than the other are simply stating an opinion and not a fact. In fact both AF medics and Navy corpsmen who are the basis for each field now go to the same school and are in integrated classes. Though the Navy does not have additional clinical rotations that the Air Force does. http://www.metc.mil/academics/BMTCP/The PA pathway was started as an extension of Navy IDCs... Not AF IDMTs (https://www.aapa.org/threeColumnLanding.aspx?id=429) . I have personally worked with both as a supervising physician and they are not equivalent training curriculums.
You as a physician, are you willing to step up and go (by yourself) to a remote combat location (regardless of what people say, we do go into combat environments) with no medical support other than what you carried in and combat soldiers (trained in first aid) and be comfortable? ........................We were sent where they would not send physicians. My theory; because we were considered expendable.
The problem with IDCs an IDMTs is you don't know what you don't know.