Is practicing psychiatry healthy for providers?

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Could I reasonably expect, that if I entered a psychiatry residency with normal psychology, that my psychological health would decline more than someone who enters another field? Does thinking about pathological thought patterns affect the provider's psychological health?

My question is based on the assumption that analyzing thoughts to come up with a diagnosis all day long could lead one to make connections in everyday life that the average person would not entertain. You might see more pathology in yourself or loved ones and fixate on it too much, even if you try to stop yourself. I've seen people analyzing themselves in this very forum. That's something I'd rather not do but I'm not sure it'd be easy to just switch off my knowledge at will. I'm sure there are ways to be resilient to this tendency but is that a skill or something innate?

If my assumption is incorrect by all means, please let me know. Psychiatry is one of the fields I'm considering and this is just some preliminary leg work I'm doing.

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Could I reasonably expect, that if I entered a psychiatry residency with normal psychology, that my psychological health would decline more than someone who enters another field?

Enter any field where you push 120 hours/week for 4-6 years and you give a good chance of decline in "psychological health". Has little to do with specialty and more with your own resiliency, social supports, underlying psychiatric illness, any presence of substance use, and particularly of how your program director treats the residents.

Have you done clinical rotations yet or interacted with any residents?
 
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My guess would be not at all... But this would be a tough hypothesis to investigate. You could look at suicide rates, but that would be very confounded and probably meaningless. Short of randomizing med students to careers, well never really know.

That said, I was looking at statistics two years ago to see how dangerous being a physician really is... There's minimal data on risks of death from all transmissable diseases, which makes comparioans hard across specialists... One might expect a hospitalist to get pneumonia from work more than a psychiatrist. However, for traumatic deaths, psychiatristry is far an away the most dangerous, and in medicine only second to emts. You're much more at risk than your local cop or firefighter, but no where near the hero that a trash collector is!
 
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Could I reasonably expect, that if I entered a psychiatry residency with normal psychology, that my psychological health would decline more than someone who enters another field? Does thinking about pathological thought patterns affect the provider's psychological health?

My question is based on the assumption that analyzing thoughts to come up with a diagnosis all day long could lead one to make connections in everyday life that the average person would not entertain. You might see more pathology in yourself or loved ones and fixate on it too much, even if you try to stop yourself. I've seen people analyzing themselves in this very forum. That's something I'd rather not do but I'm not sure it'd be easy to just switch off my knowledge at will. I'm sure there are ways to be resilient to this tendency but is that a skill or something innate?

If my assumption is incorrect by all means, please let me know. Psychiatry is one of the fields I'm considering and this is just some preliminary leg work I'm doing.
It's complicated. In short, no, not in a bad way. The things you experience and learn will enrich your life. You have to get over any hang ups you have about looking at yourself and others in an analytical way to be effective. It is a challenge, but it's worth it. Any worthwhile change involves hard work and sometimes initial discomfort.

I am a psychiatrist 24-7, it's who I am. A good psychiatrist learns how to avoid being blatantly stereotypical or trite both in and out of the office, while still utilizing what you've learned consistently. You learn when to be formal and clinical and when not to be clinical in your approach. Yes, I use what I've learned in my personal life all the time. No, I'm not obvious about it. I don't say stuff to my significant other like "Tell me how you feel about that", but find other ways of saying the same thing conversationally in a real way. No experienced psychiatrist goes around announcing to people what their faults or diagnoses are in an insensitive manner, judging others as somehow less worthy, or going down a formal checklist all the time. People includes patients.

On the one hand, ideally you learn and participate in several modalities of psychotherapy that are helpful for nearly all people, not just persons with mental illness. I have found that I have benefited greatly by participating in group and individual therapy myself as a resident, and applying the therapy I utilize with patient's to my own issues. I have learned so much from CBT, Interpersonal Psychotherapy, Motivational Interviewing, and Psychodynamic Psychotherapy in particular. They have greatly enriched my life as an individual, and made me a better person not just professionally, but in my personal life as well. I don't think I could be an effective psychiatrist at all without becoming a passable psychotherapist. In my opinion anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves or is a poor psychiatrist indeed.

On the other hand, profesionally working with persons with mental illness is emotionally draining much of the time, and can easily lead to cynicism and burn out. Patients lie all the time, whether intentional (usually) or not (sometimes). Many patient's drug seek or minimize substance abuse issues. They don't follow the treatment plan you agreed on. This is the same as any other specialty. But, I feel like I as a psychiatrist I am held more responsible for patient's that fail to get better than other doctors in the clinic or hospital, because the perception is that the patient has a mental illness and is less capable of making decisions. Sometimes that is true. When a mentally ill patient doesn't improve in psychiatry, I feel more blame from administrators, colleagues, and the community than I do when I've worked in an ER or primary care setting. Government, administrators and hospitals say they value mental health care verbally, but it's the first thing they cut when times are tough, but they don't lower expectations for the psychiatrist. There is still a stigma against psychiatry and psychiatrists and many times other doctors and lay people assume my medical knowledge and skills are much lower than they are. But at the same time, everyone thinks I can read patient's minds and figure out if a person will ever commit suicide or harm some one else or get better or not with treatment, and beg for my opinion. It's an interesting dynamic.
 
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Could I reasonably expect, that if I entered a psychiatry residency with normal psychology, that my psychological health would decline more than someone who enters another field? Does thinking about pathological thought patterns affect the provider's psychological health?
well the first assumption is you have "normal psychology". Sorry but I've yet to meet someone in medicine who doesn't have something wrong with them, there's got to be something wrong with you if you want to be a physician, why would anyone put themselves through the toil and exposure to human misery? I can't even tell you how many people I have seen die in front of me because I've tried to block it out. I personally found it much more traumatic working in internal medicine or surgery and doing chest compressions and hearing ribs crack under my hands. So not it's not healthy to practice psychiatry, but not more than any other field of medicine. At least in psychiatry many people are able to have a nice lifestyle and appreciate a good work-life balance. As in most things, balance is the key to staying emotionally and physically well. A good peer support group, or supervision group is helpful and some people seek their own therapy.

To be honest we are not very good at seeing pathology in our loved ones even when it's staring us in the face. We don't have the objectivity to be able to do it. I have found residents in other field more likely to (mis)diagnose people in their families with psychiatric labels. And sometimes it's not a bad thing to be able to notice something. I unfortunately noticed that my dad had dementia which my family was not willing to admit, but it meant even though we didn't have a formal dx (refused) but he doesn't drive, we made an advanced directive, and arranged for me to be power of attorney for healthcare.
 
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If many of us psychiatrists seem weird and maladjusted, I assure you we were that way before becoming psychiatrists.
 
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The training and education changes how you think, or at least it's supposed to. I'm sure a lot of us enter the profession already thinking this way, but this gets enhanced. It becomes part of who you are, and there's no way to, "turn it off". You have to just accept who you are and cope with it in whatever way you can.

Actually, that statement is pretty META when I read it again.

Your jedi shrink skills can be used for both good and evil. A younger colleague of mine -- who went through a separation and divorce and started dating at the same time I did -- summed it up best: "Dating as a shrink is really unfair. It's like shooting fish in a barrel".
 
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Could I reasonably expect, that if I entered a psychiatry residency with normal psychology, that my psychological health would decline more than someone who enters another field?
Not at all. Long work hours, poor sleep, and burnout (which are less common in psychiatry than in other fields) are much more likely to tax your mental health.

Does thinking about pathological thought patterns affect the provider's psychological health?
Positively, if anything.

My question is based on the assumption that analyzing thoughts to come up with a diagnosis all day long could lead one to make connections in everyday life that the average person would not entertain. You might see more pathology in yourself or loved ones and fixate on it too much, even if you try to stop yourself. I've seen people analyzing themselves in this very forum. That's something I'd rather not do but I'm not sure it'd be easy to just switch off my knowledge at will. I'm sure there are ways to be resilient to this tendency but is that a skill or something innate?
Learning about your own pathology is more likely to be therapeutic than detrimental. I feel like most people look less crazy at the end of PGY4 than they looked at the beginning of PGY1. Personally, I like looking at my own psychopathology and doing CBT on myself - I've developed a lot more insight into my personality traits that were previously ego-syntonic, and it's made me more well-adjusted in general.

But it's easy to turn it on/off. Just like self-diagnosing your medical problems.

You might notice that psychiatrists seem a bit more quirky/crazy than other doctors. That's likely selection bias - medical students with some degree of psychopathology (or family history of psychopathology, which is obviously a predisposing factor) tend to be more likely to choose psychiatry as a specialty.
 
For a balanced discussion, it's not all wonderful though.

Some days, I just want to not be around people. I don't want to chit chat with the neighbor. I just want to be left alone and not have to interact with another human.
 
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