It's quiet in here

[WisNeuro]

a little too quiet...

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[erg923]

Tom Cruise/scientology; PCS; Ph.Ds are only for research; online doctorates are cool. GO!

 

[PsyDr]

 

[WisNeuro]

Erg: that's just too much to handle in one thread.

PSYDR: Sorry, I have that effect on people. I'll open a window to cool things down.

 

[cara susanna]

Tom Cruise/scientology; PCS; Ph.Ds are only for research; online doctorates are cool. GO!

How about: The solution to the internship crisis is to create more internships!

 

[WisNeuro]

How about: The solution to the internship crisis is to create more internships!

I prefer to think like Wayne Lapierre. The only way to stop the internship crisis is with more guns.

 

[psych84]

I prefer to think like Wayne Lapierre. The only way to stop the internship crisis is with more guns.

The only way to stop the bad unaccredited programs is to start good unaccredited programs.

 

[erg923]

Erg: that's just too much to handle in one thread.

PSYDR: Sorry, I have that effect on people. I'll open a window to cool things down.

I stopped having that effect on women when I got married. This was also directly correlated with an increase in sweatpant utilization and a decrease attention to manscaping...

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

I prefer to think like Wayne Lapierre. The only way to stop the internship crisis is with more guns.

That is his solution to most everything. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I'm actually a long-time supporter of the NRA, but some of his speeches make me cringe….much like the published statements from the APA about the internship crisis. Full….Circle.

RE: Internship….It's been too long since we have rallied the troops, circled, and then shot inward.

 

[WisNeuro]

I stopped having that effect on women when I got married. This was also directly correlated with an increase in sweatpant utilization and a decrease attention to manscaping...

 

[WisNeuro]

Btw, over in the Wolf's Den forum, what is this WW game bizness?

 

[smalltownpsych]

We could all head over to the psychiatristy forum and post about RxP I would prefer that to talking about Ergs grooming habits any day of the week!

 

[WisNeuro]

Oh, I don't know, discussions about erg's manscaping could be fun. I imagine at this point he could sculpt it into something fun. Kind of like those crazy beard competitions where some dude's beard is a three-masted ship.

 

[erg923]

Bunch of heathens in this town...

 

[WisNeuro]

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

Btw, over in the Wolf's Den forum, what is this WW game bizness?

It is a variation on the Mafia game: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_(party_game)

 

[smalltownpsych]

They say all good psychologists should have a beard. I once interviewed a guy for a counseling position that had a moustache that had curled and waxed ends in it like a villain from a melodrama.

 

[smalltownpsych]

Earn A Doctorаte In Lеss Timе Тhan Yоu Think!
That was the header on an email I just received. It says you can earn your PhD online and jump start your future!
It might as well say everyone can be a doctor, why bother with details like accreditation, the APA will just make sure there are more internship spots available for you and advocate for less and less compensation so that everyone can get free "treatment" from online diploma mill "doctors".

p.s. I really should finish writing up this assessment but am just not feeling up to it this afternoon.

 

[PETRAN]

How about: The solution to the internship crisis is to create more internships!

No, you should let the market decide on how many psychologists are needed rather than the APA-Government-central planning Bureaucrats who create artificial restrictions, protectionisms and barriers. Remove licensing altogether


*this is a standard libertarian response

I actually partly believe it

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

*this is a standard libertarian response

I actually agree with you in principle (as a fellow libertarian), but unfortunately there is too much interference from the govt' and private corp for a true "market correction" to occur. The gov't needs to get out of the business of education before any real change can happen, but it is too lucrative for them to actually leave.

 

[sockit]

I actually agree with you in principle (as a fellow libertarian), but unfortunately there is too much interference from the govt' and private corp for a true "market correction" to occur. The gov't needs to get out of the business of education before any real change can happen, but it is too lucrative for them to actually leave.

"market correction" assumes a collection of perfectly and equally knowledgeable, rational actors. two things make it impossible. 1) information assymetry (the deck is already stacked, cf persistent inequality -> vested interests protect power where and where they can <- does not require actual conspiracy; cf group processes for theory, cf empirically discernable concentration of wealth) and 2) the whole history of psychology, which presumes material causality and (cognitive-affective) processes not accessible to conscious experience*, appears to me to work against the very notion of rational actors. i do not understand libertarian psychologists other than via cognitive dissonance theory (no offense)

absent regulation, many people (information assymetry, people not so rational) would prefer psychic equine-assisted dog-walking to evidence based treatments. those psychics might even believe what they're selling.

*not talking Freud here, just ordinary lower & higher order cognitive-perceptual processes

(offered with a view to waking things up for you guys )

 

[PETRAN]

"market correction" assumes a collection of perfectly and equally knowledgeable, rational actors. two things make it impossible. 1) information assymetry (the deck is already stacked, cf persistent inequality -> vested interests protect power where and where they can <- does not require actual conspiracy; cf group processes for theory, cf empirically discernable concentration of wealth) and 2) the whole history of psychology, which presumes material causality and (cognitive-affective) processes not accessible to conscious experience*, appears to me to work against the very notion of rational actors. i do not understand libertarian psychologists other than via cognitive dissonance theory (no offense)

absent regulation, many people (information assymetry, people not so rational) would prefer psychic equine-assisted dog-walking to evidence based treatments. those psychics might even believe what they're selling.

*not talking Freud here, just ordinary lower & higher order cognitive-perceptual processes

(offered with a view to waking things up for you guys )

What makes you think that APA or the government has more access to information and unconscious affective processes than rumours/what other people say about a professional/independent rating agencies etc.?

They don't, unless they have some god-like attributes. And there are no criteria derived from rigorous empirical studies due to the multi-factorial nature of such processes (coincidence, i have another thread which investigates the difficulty in predicting everyday performance from e.g. neuropsych tests)

IMO these "criteria" are mostly used like "bottlenecks" and "barriers" for protecting the guild-like structure of various occupations (rather than certifying quality).

I would prefer the absence of licening and generally a loosely regulated market BUT coupled with some safety-net assistance such as a basic income for everyone (not just those under a certain income). Online ratings, rating agencies etc. could do the job just fine or better IMO and overall there would be more information gain since it would be gained from many sources/in a more decentralized way.

 

[sockit]

no one's apolitical or bias-free, first, APA & gov't included. however i do generally have faith in the scientific enterprise & its methods, though they're imperfectly manifested. i mean, i think overall, we know more now than we did in the past. that is why people talk about probabilities and not certainties, why there is peer review, etc. training in statistical and logical reasoning- such as the kind undergone by researchers building the knowledge base that (imperfectly & with interest, admittedly) informs policy - some research shows can mitigate cognitive biases (sorry no cites from here).

i prefer government (in a social democratic system) because you get to vote people out, at a minimum. there is at least a minimum effort at transparency and access to information. again that is far from a bloodless or error-free process; it happens (imperfectly again) via ongoing civic contests, & checks & balances - e.g. via elections; e.g. people like Edward Snowden (a kind of "specialist" again, in that he lucked into benefiting from education by fluke of birth). i mean really, i'd prefer greater investment in education and heavy electoral reform [in my country, for sure] so things are more properly democratic, but in general it's the best of the worst systems imo. [as long as i'm dreaming, also would like a revision of trade agreements and beefier labour laws, but hey]. i sort of feel like benign liberal/social democratic paternalism is sort of the natural political home for psychologists, but idk.

as for online ratings, those sites have to be thoughtfully designed and moderated to be any good, really, because they tend to disproportionately draw people with negative experiences, otherwise. or else true believers. & if (don't know) you're pessimistic about specialists as i've defined them - people with access to education and sometimes specialized training - i don't see how staff at ratings agencies would materially differ from gov't employees

edit: snowden's personal politics only matter inasmuch as they motivate his actions; functionally he's a check/balance

 

[WisNeuro]

This thread is way more serious than I intended. I was hoping it'd be way more punny.

 

[NMoren]

Am I too late to make the "Be Careful it's a trap!" joke?

 

[WisNeuro]

Am I too late to make the "Be Careful it's a trap!" joke?

 

[sockit]

what, puns > loosely associative political rambling? yeah, fair enough.

 

[WisNeuro]

 

[hillies]

How about: The solution to the internship crisis is to create more internships!

I'd like to see the internship crisis solved Kenny Powers style.

 

[WisNeuro]

Kenny Powers is the epitome of 'Murica.

 

[cara susanna]

I'd like to see the internship crisis solved Kenny Powers style.

Isn't that the current approach already?

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

I love that show....as it is how much of the world views us.

 

[WisNeuro]

I love that show....as it is how much of the world views us.

It's definitely how I view us

 

[erg923]

Ill add to the discussion:

Who watches Madmen? What do we think about computers driving us all insane? lol. Social Commentary too, perhaps? Its also a good show to breakdown and analyze for symbolism, hidden meanings, interpersonal relations, etc.

 

[PsychBiker]

http://www.dreichel.com/articles/dr_zoe.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_with_fraudulent_diplomas

 

[MiniLop]

Earn A Doctorаte In Lеss Timе Тhan Yоu Think!
That was the header on an email I just received. It says you can earn your PhD online and jump start your future!
It might as well say everyone can be a doctor, why bother with details like accreditation, the APA will just make sure there are more internship spots available for you and advocate for less and less compensation so that everyone can get free "treatment" from online diploma mill "doctors".

p.s. I really should finish writing up this assessment but am just not feeling up to it this afternoon.

I'm currently getting my degree from Uncle Bill's Online PsyD Emporium and I will NOT hear you questioning the worth of these sterling online programs! The best part is, it's a one year program! Granted, tuition is $180,000. But I think it's worth it, because I'm getting great training (through their virtual therapy simulator) and I'll be in the work force sooner and able to pay off my debt faster than all those dinosaurs in the brick and mortar schools. And yes, their internship match rate is currently 0%, but I really think the smaller cohort they accepted this year (only 837 of us) is getting the individual attention necessary to make us competitive and bring up that percentage. Have fun with your research, LOSERS!

 

[Rivi]

This thread needs more corgis (image taken from Reddit).

 

[Therapist4Chnge]

They are growing on me. I don't like small dogs...but I'd consider one. Maybe.

 

[WisNeuro]

Rivi, that is by far the best post of this thread thus far.

 

[psych84]

Now I really want a doggie. Well, I've wanted one for awhile. But as Therapist, like medium/big dogs for most part.

 

[Rivi]

Now I really want a doggie. Well, I've wanted one for awhile. But as Therapist, like medium/big dogs for most part.

I really want a dog too, but I settled for a cat, as they are easier to keep up with. My cat is kind of a dick, but I like him ok.

 

[ikibah]

Social Workers can do everything psychologist can! why go to long-winded boring school for five years when you can do the same exact thing in TWOOOOO!!!!!!

 

[cara susanna]

Not only that, but social workers should be able to interpret cognitive assessments!

(disclaimer: I am being facetious)

 

[463951]

Ill add to the discussion:

Who watches Madmen? What do we think about computers driving us all insane? lol. Social Commentary too, perhaps? Its also a good show to breakdown and analyze for symbolism, hidden meanings, interpersonal relations, etc.

I love Mad Men!


SPOILERS BELOW



I loved what Roger said about the computer, something like, "it will do magical things that will make Harry Crane seem important." I like the characters' different reactions to the advancement of technology in 1969. Ginsberg having a psychotic break. Roger's daughter has run off to a commune where they share the belief that electricity causes problems. Don has feelings of hostility toward the computer, worried that it will make him obsolete, yet it's the partner's harsh restrictions on him that have already put this in motion. (I'm a couple of episodes behind).

 

[WisNeuro]

I love Mad Men! I loved what Roger said about the computer, something like, "it will do magical things that will make Harry Crane seem important." I like the characters' different reactions to the advancement of technology in 1969. Ginsberg having a psychotic break. Roger's daughter has run off to a commune where they share the belief that electricity causes problems. Don has feelings of hostility toward the computer, worried that it will make him obsolete, yet it's the partner's harsh restrictions on him that have already put this in motion. (I'm a couple of episodes behind).

Spoilers!!!!

 

[CaliMac]

Bloodhounds rule! They make wonderful alarms, they love children and strongly bond with their people, and they will bray when you or your toddlers play the harmonica. Also, wiping their drool off of your ceiling is great exercise.

 

[WisNeuro]

I think I'd go back to a retriever if I get a dog again.

 

[WisNeuro]

Man, I'm out for not even a day and I miss someone getting the ban hammer dropped on them?

 

[DynamicDidactic]

Man, I'm out for not even a day and I miss someone getting the ban hammer dropped on them?

I hope the person was banned for their bigotry more so than their troll-like demeanor.

 

[CaliMac]

Man, I'm out for not even a day and I miss someone getting the ban hammer dropped on them?

Was she banned or were the treads just locked? Reading each person's responses to her was PRICELESS