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Kasturba / Mannipal Academy No Longer recognized by ECFMG

Discussion in 'India and South Asia' started by Jattdoc, 01.19.05.

  1. Jattdoc

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    Hi, I just spoke with ECFMG regarding status of registration of USMLE for my wife and they have informed me that according to Indian Ministery of Health and Medical Council of India, Kasturba Medical college has been recommended for de-recognition. I'm still trying to get more info on this...here are some links

    http://imed.ecfmg.org/
    this directly by ecfmg lists and corresponds to my conversation with ecfmg, that they will only certify those who have graduated till 2003. Just search for the school and it will say something like graduation years, 1955-2003. ECFMG say's that they just recieved this notice a few weeks ago..


    http://www.mciindia.org/apps/search/viewMBBS.asp
    this is the medical council of india web page, if you search for kasturba medical college, its says "recommended for de-recognition"...

    so, as of now, i dont' know what's going on...please share any info...i'll be calling india shortly and i'll keep you updated...i hope its something small..

    later
  2. neha_S

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    hi.
    i just wanted to ask what exactly will happen if a college is recommended for de-recognition. Does it mean that the college's degree will no longer be recognized in India? Does it mean that they are saying the college is not apt to the standards of medical colleges? This news came as a shock to me because I am in my final year of schooling and am putting all of my hopes in manipal.
    waiting for your reply
    thanks,
    neha
  3. Athene

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    hey..no need to worry abt anything....its just a minor hiccup..it has got nothing to do with the education or facilities...its abt the division of seats....there is a disagreement abt NRI quota....
    i am from manipal....its best in INDIA.......so never mind this is a temporary status.....
    u can call up at Manipal for more info....
    u have to be at the place to believe it.....no place in india offers anything better than MAHE..

    here s the link check it..
    http://www.manipal.edu/announcements/info_public.htm
  4. neha_S

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    hi there, thanks alot meetlife. This info really helped..except that...wat about the disagreement abt NRI quota.. b/c even i will be applying under the NRI quota.. just hoping that nothing serious is going to change about the NRI quota admissions etc.
    awaiting your reply,
    neha
  5. Athene

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    Hi..Neha,
    there won't be a problem.Its all a cause of beauracracy in India.Worst of the colleges with nothing are recognised and good ones get derecognised.so never mind.this is all a part of system.Manipal has a reputation to maintain...so the univ won't ever do anything wrong......relax...get admitted to the coll..all will be resolved...
  6. kuralia

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    How could you tell kids like that?I know that Manipal is losing a big moneymaking business by listening to MCI.If they are so worried why dont they work out the differences with MCI and put the NRI kids on right track.ADVICE to NRI kids'Do not even think about Manipal.For same money go to Harayana Punjab Chandigarh Shimla or MP UP.Any govt. college will accept with US 75K.Manipal is nothing but moneymaking machine.About Neha? I will (If I were you) personally write a letter to ECFMG and explain.
  7. Athene

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    Hmmnnn.....we all gave right to put our point across....leave that to neha for decide........as far as simla ...chandigarh..haryana are concerned what colleges are u talking about????THERE IS NOT A SINGLE GOOD COLLEGE....SIMLA we all know is just ok coll......CHANDIGARH...i.e. GOVT MEDICAL COLL...I am not sure if it has any NRI seats(I am native of Chandigarh).....And HARYANA ..lets not talk abt the educational standards of haryana....
    Manipal is not losing any money....have u ever been there???I have studied there for 5 years.....i know abt it..Which other coll in INDIA has campuses in malaysia,nepal and three in INDIA and one super speciality hospital in Bangalore.a\c class rooms,world class facilities,hostels like five star hotels,best of pre-clinical labs and clinics....and so many foreign univ affiliations...NONE.....
    Do u mean to say that so many NRIs studying and paying so much of money are dumb ???I doubt that.......
    u can talk to students there or authorities......
    anyways..there is no harm in applying.....
    all the best.......


    Disclaimer-This is my persional opinion.Please check the colleges for more information and make ur choice wisely cos I am not responsible for decisions you make.
  8. IMGforNeuro

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    Interesting replies from everyone. I am also from manipal, so i have lots of feelings attached. It is a great institution but not the best in India. In my previous posts i mentioned many others like AIIMS, JIPMER, PGI and others which do not even need recognition from foreign univs, these institutes actually get foreign physicians for fellowships and workshops.
    Anyway i was shocked to learn about manipal and would agree that if manipal is close to derecognition then many institutes in the world, even in the US should be closed. I have been in the US for quite some time and interviewed for residency all over the US so I am very confident in the above statement.
  9. neha_S

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    hi,
    i see that the forum board is starting to get a bit heated up here. sorry if its my fault. as far as my decisions are concerned, i sincerely thank you all for the input you have put into my decision-making process. As what I have been able to collect, manipal does remain as my priority. It might not be the very best in India, but I have a feeling it will be the very best for me personally. Also, others have assured me that Manipal will remain as it is now and give the same quality education. But if circumstances become worse, I don't mind applying elsewhere for back-up. So if there are any other choices that are well suited for foreign/nri students, I would appreciate it if you would please inform me.
    thanks again,
    neha
  10. Athene

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    hey...never mind.....all the best ,neha.....do well.. :luck:
  11. Souvik_Sen

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    well dude, for the kind info u yelled on at us, Sri Ramachandra medical college has better credentials than Manipal now and is gaining more and more popularity day by day.

    AC classrooms + LABS and state of the art ventilation in our dissection halls, lavish hostel facilities, a top class hospital visited by patients from all over asia and a beautiful gigantic campus is what SRMC has.
    Our radiology department is ranked the best in India and we have superspecialisation in many fields here.

    Do you know wehere manipal really loses its reputation?...Student environment + Student quality, it has been deteriorating over the last few years, a fact acknowledged by many today...

    There must be a very good reason why such embarassing a reputed institution like manipal has been reccommended for derecognition and it is not a small matter. Its is very embarrassing and shameful. Derecognition is something that happens to low-life colleges in Bihar. I can't believe manipal's managed to do it.

    Well I hope the bare facts and unbiased info like this plays a major role in influencing anyone's decision to go manipal.

    Derecognition isn't cool.
  12. Athene

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    three cheers. to you...we from manipal are ashamed of ourselves.......be happy
  13. ajay_venkatesh

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    Souvik has a good point, however, he did come off a little rough. I am also from SRMC. It is a good instituition and is moving up in the rankings. I am surprised that Manipal is under consideration for derecognition. I thought it was a sound medical college. My cousin studied there.

    I ended up going to SRMC because my cousin said that the atmosphere in Manipal is not the best. He said that the final year examiners requested money in order to pass some students. He said that the students paid the money and passed.

    Currently my cousin completed his MRCP in England, and he told me to go to SRMC as it fast growing and Manipal does not provide as much clinical training. Because, SRMC is in a large city and there are many patients arriving at the hospital every day.

    These are just the reasons that I chose SRMC and these could be a few reasons that Souvik Sen could be talking about.
  14. Souvik_Sen

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    Hey meetlife, how many times and how much did u pay to pass :D
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    Thanx Ajay for ure input.

    Now,

    Hey meetlife, how many times and how much did u pay to pass :D
  16. Athene

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    hey Souvik.........lots of money and too many attempts.....have a sound sleep baby.... :cool:
  17. Athene

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    Hmmmn....this is what all people say....
    AIIMS .. u pass cos u got an approach
    CAT......paper leaked last year
    IAS......approach helps in the interview
    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn..no hard feelings......choice is yours....so lets relax.....
  18. neha_S

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    hi,
    By when do u think SRMC will be ranked in the top 10 of india? I see that it is a fairly new institution that's why it will take time. I was just comparing NRI fee structure for both colleges. Kasturba- a total sum of $77,000 to be paid in equal increments in 4 and a half yrs. SRMC- $100,000, of which 25,000 to be paid before admission, and then the rest in increments. Also i've heard that it is very easy to get into SRMC NRI quota b/c if you just pay the 25grand you get a confirmed seat(provided that you have biology physics and chemistry in high school). any comments?
    weighing out the costs and benefits...i don't exactly know which one to pick. still do hope the manipal trouble gets sorted out quickly
    thanks,
    neha
  19. Athene

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    Neha...just apply wherever you want to and then choose....all the best.... :luck:
  20. kuralia

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    I am very sorry youngman if I hurt your feelings.I graduated from UCSF School of Medicine in 1981.I have two kids at UMKC doing BAMD.This was all from my exp.that I said.I checked for my 3rd daughter and Chandigarh seems to be best.If you are paying big bucks go to a school that is not facing problems.GMCH takes 3 NRI seats for 75000 US dollars.Go on their website and find it.That advice I tried to give it to Neha,Not you as you are a Chandigarh native and do not even know your own town happenings.First thing I always told my kids is that you are born in US and go to school here.Two of my daughters are going here.Third one is in 4th grade and just happen to be checking.I am sure she will go here as kids who go to India are the ones who cannot get accepted here.Again sorry.
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    That is not necessarily true kuralia, as there are people from North America that choose to go back to India, or their parents decide it is better to go back home for their education.
  22. drrao

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    I dont know what you guys are discussing, as there is a lot of personal isults. Such things have no value on public forums.

    Reason for KMC to be recommended for de recognition: MCI allows only 25% of students to be admitted via NRI quota. Manipal has nearly 35% in its Manipal Campus. This is the reason why MCI has recommended KMC to be derecognised. Actually, the story is deeper and lot of personal conflicts were involved, reason why MCI bypassed stages of "Warning" and "Probation" and went directly to recommend derecognition.

    Here is KMCs logic. They have an University Status. Universitys have more autonomy and are allowed to transfer students between colleges and campuses. Manipal has two main campuses in south India, Manipal and Mangalore, each with great facilities. Manipal is very popular among NRI students and most students ask for Manipal campus over Mangalore campus. So the management admits the first half in Manipal, the next half in Mangalore and TRANSFERS them to Manipal. As a result Manipal had more than its quota of NRI students, around 35% above MCIs limit of 25%.

    Hence KMC was recommended for de recognition. (As i said, there may be hidden issues like Bribe etc) The recommendation WAS NOT BECAUSE IT WAS LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE.


    We (my friends) are following up this issue of de recognition, and have found that KMC is not going to be de recognised, but this issue stalled because even Manipal is overwhelmed by enormity of Indian Bureucracy. We have summed everything at

    http://www.geocities.com/x_kmc/
    http://www.xkmcite.tk

    Thanks
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    Definetely it isnt cool, but being a recent graduate and directly affected by this I STILL vouch for KMC bcos of their fatherly care, swiftness of action. I love the college because the staff are nice.

    About the facilities, I dont know about other colleges in India, but I have travelled all over the world and KMC does compare at least to basic standards of universitys in US. Ofcourse there are better here, but common you cant expect KMC to equal Harvard..!!

    Remeber this, KMC has its own University status. Paying money for examininers, now thats a joke. Dude, we are humans, and money works everywhere. But here this, a very "PARANOID" external examiner came to final yr examinations and was openly declaring that he was prejudiced to KMC students. Imagine the fate of a student in final year MBBS exam, being told that he is going to fail by an examiner. He wanted to fail all students..!!

    Almost immediately on that day, the examiner was "SUSPENDED" by Manipal university, by evoking its University status powers, and the external examiner was replaced by internal department examiner who then reexamined all students and the passed.

    Can anyone give a similar example?
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    i completed my BDS in India .
    THe batch before me during their anatomy exam had faced a similar situation.
    the examiner failed almost the whole batch in anat practicals.
    as both the examiners were external( i mean one is external and the other internal is form pune univ , but not form our college) the college did not know of the result till the final results were declared.
    a lot of students failed in first yr but the college did take action against the examiners , suspended the external from being an examiner with pune university...and debarred him from being an examiner ...
    unfortunatley that batch suffered but atleast the following abtches were saved the torture as usually u have the same external for about 3 batches....
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    hey..we had this funny examiner for anat final exam.....he told me "tell me something abt sympathetic ganglion".....i told him all i knew...he said"i hate manipal students.........u guys from rich families......northies...attitude probs".....i did not know what to do at that time.....
  26. Athene

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    hey......Manipal is good.....guess what...who is the topper of All India Dental PG entrance....a guy from MCODS ,Mangalore and 3 more ranks.....now we all know all india is no joke........to be a first ranker u have to be the best.....last yaer we got 20 ranks in kcet......thats no joke.......so let the facts speak......
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    ECFMG website today lists KMCs graduation dates as current, that's up from yearly (used to say 1953-2005). I don't know if the Ministry of Health finally said Manipal is not in danger of being derecognied or what. I also noticed on MCI websit that all but one private med school in MP is recommended for derecognition. What does that mean? All govt med schools there are bad???? Seems a bit odd to me.

    Hey, I graduated from Manipal in 2001 and have done residency and fellowship in US and I can say that Manipal students (and students in general from India) are better than US students. Not because US students are not as good as in India, but the Indian system is tougher. In Manipal, if you didn't study, they failed you. No paying money to pass (obviously because I have friends from Gulf/US/Malaysia who are still studying from 95/96 batch ... and they have money). Some students I teach here at Baylor (top 10 US med school) are are horrible (not all, obviously). I keep thinking I should send them to Manipal because there profs could and would yell at you if you didn't study.

    So stop slamming Manipal. It is what it is. The facilities and faculty are great!!! And NO CORRUPTION (or very little). There are a lot of NRIs (why Manipal has good facilities and faculty). The NRI students are: 25% as good as the merit students, 50% good enough when they study, and 25% not good enough (and they fail and never pass). The merit students are mostly North Indians from wealthy families, but they are smart. It is very expensive. But then if you go to govt med school in US, it costs what $10,000 a year versus $40,000 at private ones). Is there any difference? People at Harvard come from mostly wealthy backgrounds. People in US are willing to pay for a great education, and they aren't looked down upon. Why in India isn't that also true???
  28. Athene

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    Check out 2004-2005 PG medical and dental entrance results;topper in dental is guy from manipal,topper in kcet is guy from manipal,highest scores in kcet are from manipal...... :thumbup:
  29. IMGforNeuro

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    I have no doubt in my mind that my medical education at manipal was the best possible education i could get and comparable to the best in the world. I have worked in the US here for some time and seen and interacted with med students and residents at UCLA, USC, SUNY Brooklyn and also St Georges univ. I have also worked and pursued some of my residency at AIIMS(which is widely recognized as the best in India and among the best in Asia).
    REASONS- Exposure and encouragement to explore and develop interest in various specialities and subspecialities. I was always very interested in neurosciences. Manipal gave me the opportunity to take electives in neurosurgery and neurology during my internship (which is part of med education).
    As an intern i got loads of opportunities to learn many things including exposure to procedures and diagnostic studies. All this was extremely beneficial during PG preparation and during my neuro interviews here in the US and opened opportunities for research fellowships and residency.
    I just wanted to say that for indian students and even for foreign students who choose to go abroad for med education, manipal is an excellent launch pad for a medical career.
    I also want to add (and no offence intended), the performance of NRI/Foreign med students in manipal is much inferior to indian students. This may be due to the tough schooling we have in India. But then this is the eventual reason for the economic boom in India.
    I have also felt that the performance of american students doing medicine in the US is better than those going abroad.
  30. neha_S

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    i had sent in an enquiry to Manipal regarding this topic. They have replied saying that the Health Ministry has assured them that this issue will get sorted out on their favor. And they hope this matter to be solved out in a matter of few weeks. Just thought i'll let anybody who might be worried, know about the situation.
    neha
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    hi guys
    its very sad that you people have made this forum a place to compare manipal and ram chandra.a better and balanced approched is expected from you guys.i am a grad from KMC manipal.and dont have any doubts in my training and my college reputation.its all the red tape which is doing all this nonsense stuff.our college's infrastructure ,faculty,facilities all are state of art.i can bet on that.some one mentioned bihar.for that matter you can any college in india do they follow all the the guide lines of MCI.surely it sounds very unhealthy but we cant decide and say on handfull of facts .i invite all those who have doubt about my institution to come and visit our place that is called manipal.i am sure you will see how diff it is. :thumbup:
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    Good news!1

    KMCs recognition is now current! A letter was sent from the ministry of Health to ECFMG. IMED says that KMC is fully recognised. ECFMG is accepting and processing applications..!!
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    :) :thumbup: :thumbup:
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    Hello All.. I studies in SRMC... yes i agree the campus is great.. but ask the students what they go through there.. somebody earlier said thatthey had to pay to pass in manipal... well its happens at SRMC too.. plus if your are a north indian... thats it... the managment treats you very differently. they are so bothered about the student personal life.. and if they dont like you... be prepared to stay there longer
  36. oncbmtdoc

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    First things first KMC is recognized.
    IT is ranked around 4-5 in india atleast 2 years ago...

    I really wonder who it was who said that you could pass by paying money...
    i went to kmc and trust me... out of a class of 200 that joined we were around 125 who graduated on time.
    The examinations were tough... and obviously training was excellent...
    i scored in the High 90s on both steps and so did a large part of my class...
    and we were average in our class.

    regarding SRMC... facilities may be great but the standard...1/2 class is good and the rest are bad....per some of the ex students
    i know ppl who are proud of the fact that they paid to get thru...
    that payment is not in the form of direct bribes but mostly thru pvt classes...esp for nri students...

    Some SRMC grads are doing really well in usa.. and they are bright but still not sure if they are the rule or the exceptions...
    anyway... bottom line
    kmc is still recognized a great college....


  37. Shobhit2006

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    The starting post though is 2 years old, so perhaps there was a problem with recognition two years ago? However, Manipal is clearly recognized now and is a very prestigious med school.
  38. oceanwaves

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    Yes, KMC Manipal is definitely recognized. My classmates have started residency in the US and are doing really well. Other classmates are starting this year in the US!
  39. Gremlin007

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    Hi all,

    I did my MBBS and MD(General Medicine) from KMC Manipal more than 15 & 10 years respectively. The management was different then, than the one now. We had foreign students in the NRI/Foreign quota even then but there were only around 200 students in a year for MBBS (local,NRI & Foreign students combined) As regards the facilities offered, the college is among the best in the country and the quality of the teaching staff are really topclass. There were enough patients for clinical teaching available then.
    Somewhere down the road, the management changed to the next generation of the Pais ( owners of the institution), unscrupulous and corrupt administrators took over the reins and embarked on a reckless expansion to rake in more money (esp. the dollars from the NRI/Foreign quota).
    The Medical Council of India (MCI) grants recognition to the various courses in medical colleges in India based on a lot of criteria; among them adequate bed-strength (mind you this does'nt necessarily translate into patients!!! - lots of empty beds does no good!! lol) for the student strength (patient-student ratio). With the reckless increase in the number of students admitted this ratio got adversely affected, resulting in the de-recognition of this once-prestigious institution. Do you know there are very few locals who are willing to be admitted in the KMC hospitals despite good infrastructure and good doctors and subsidised medical care because there is a very negative opinion about KMC in the local populace. they would rather go to relatively expensive private clinics in Udupi instead. It is high time the corrupt money-minded administrators were thrown out and a return to quality-mided guys were reinstated on the MAHE board. Only then can KMC reclaim its lost fame.
    By the way, I went to Christian Medical College Hospital in Vellore, Tamil Nadu for my internship and I dare say that the foundation of my medical career was cemented there. Such great training with loads of patients! (Dont be swayed by any MARG survey! - take it from a guy who has been there, seen all and lived to tell this fact to the world. Good luck to all medicos out there. God bless.
  40. since1988

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    Hello,
    I have just given manipal Uget test for MBBS.
    I wanted to know whether it will be all right to do MBBS at Manipal or should I prefer something else.
    Is KMC, Manipal recognised by USMLE?
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    that's not just a manipal problem... when I was at Deccan a few years ago in Hyderabad, a Medicine final year practical examiner asks me if I'm an "NRI" and then proceeds to ask how much I paid to get in, etc... then puts my Littman steth around his neck and walks off, turns around in front of everyone, and asks, "Can I keep this?" He was from Karnataka... and of course I said, "Sure, no problem..."
    and then before that, a Community/preventive medicine external asked if I was an "NRI"... asks if I have a car... I said sure... he proceeds to say that his wife and kids needed to go shopping and didn't have transportation... then he asked me for my phone number... which I promptly provided... he called me later that afternoon and gave me an address for me to send a driver and car the following morning... which of course I did... sure took the stress out of that exam... and I know of examiners who would flat out ask a rate per student (in the thousands of rupees)... hang out at a hotel drinking at night and wait for the student's "representative" to bring a big bag of money...


    So if you go to med school anywhere in India, be prepared to see all that....
  42. Ninja

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    AIIMS, JIPMER, PGI, CMC, SGPGI are all better than Manipal and SRMC.
  43. mass

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    whats dharwada like? I am thinking of doing dental there
  44. retroviridae

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    hey my friend, I am not aware of anything like this ever happening in Manipal. I guess if the majority are NRIs, then they can't do anything against you. The only "corruption" was an NRI student threatening an ophthal attending during the exam ... he passed. I have heard stories like this from other Indian schools though.
  45. SpecialR

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    As of now, based on looking at Medical Council of India website, Manipal and Mangalore branches have been asked to stop the admissions. Funny thing is they have already posted the results of their UGET 2007! =) I'm not sure where this is going... :rolleyes:
  46. sga430

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    interesting. i thought it was the most famous one to take nris.
  47. SpecialR

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    So what now?

    Are they not going to take anymore NRI students? or is the admission stopped all together (general + NRI)? But they have posted the counselling dates though.. =P
  48. simply_me

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    hi there,

    I am also thinking to apply to an Indian Medical college. I am an NRI. Would you guys recommend me to apply to Kasturba in Manipal. Someone has also recommended to apply to AIIMS as its the top most medical school in India.

    Also, what is the deadline date of admissions. Is it possible to apply this month and get in???

    Please reply asap.
    Thanks.
  49. mass

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    whats sree ramachandra like
  50. beckyeo

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    TWO LONG YEARS have passed and the problem is still not yet resolved. I really do not know where else to apply except for manipal. I really don't understand how could a school with such good facilities and reputation stand the chance to be derecognised? What are the reasons mci chose to derecognise it, and why hasn't mci at least tell out the reasons? advice badly needed

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