Navy Letter of Resignation "Not Recommended"?

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Not posting for me, but I have a friend at a different command who submitted a letter of resignation and it was recommended "disapproved" at the command level.

Anyone else have this happen, and if so, what was the outcome? Can the command even do this without good justification? He submitted about a year ahead of time and the reason for denial was due to concerns about manning or whether or not they will get a replacement. Any advice to give to him?

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I'm no help here, but if this is happening at the end of someone's obligation I would really like to know what Command so I can make sure to avoid such a toxic atmosphere.

If I had to guess the Rec will be forwarded to Pers who will ignore it and the person will still be allowed to resign. Now if it's someone trying to leave early (even if it's only a few months) then I can understand the denial.


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A command can recommend as they like but they are required to forward it to BUPERS regardless. A specific command's manning will have little bearing on the acceptance of a resignation.
 
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Assuming he is resigning at the end of his obligated service, your friend will get to resign. This is just passive-aggressive bull**** from a CO who wants to make a stink about manning but doesn't have the balls to tell his boss directly. Your friend shouldn't expect any terminal leave and will likely be forced to stay until the last day of his separation month (that is a command level decision and they can definitely **** him over here). He needs to track his separation through the process. The relevant office is PERS-834F and they (gasp) actually have phone numbers that they might answer. He should start burning his leave now so that he doesn't have to sell it for pennies on the dollar at separation. If he has as much as most of us, he could probably start working a 4 day week right now. If they tell him not to take that much leave, he needs to file the leave chits and make them deny him. Then he can hit them back with an IG and/or congressional. If your friend happens to be in a protected class, an EO complaint will also help to submarine this as$hole CO's career.

Bottom line: Expect to be held to the worst of the standard (last day of the approved month with no terminal leave) but expect to resign.

http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-n...andseparations/Pages/OfficerResignations.aspx
 
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Also, if they hold him to leave on weekends, he should just take midweek days. As I burned leave at the end, I took tues-wed every other week. people were getting two weeks of terminal around that time at my command so I didn't want to have it left over.
 
The more info we get the more it sounds like passive-aggressive BS. We've asked multiple parties--legal, pers, detailers and no one has really seen this happen before when there isn't a good reason. Once I have successfully left the armed forces, I would be happy to post the command, person responsible for inspiring this, etc. Thanks for the advice thus far.
 
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Also, if they hold him to leave on weekends, he should just take midweek days. As I burned leave at the end, I took tues-wed every other week. people were getting two weeks of terminal around that time at my command so I didn't want to have it left over.

ROFL. This is awesome. I did the same thing. I literally had 60-70 leave days left before I ETSed in 5-6 months. I literally took leave 4-5 days on the weekdays every week. I still had to sell back about 10-12 lv days at the end for pennies on the dollar. My command was def not pleased. But, there's nothing that they can't do.
 
A little off topic, but how is leave handled by specialty? EM I can see being fairly accommodating if staffing isn't super screwed up. Something like neurosurgery (which I would never consider) less so. Which specialties actually allow you to take your 30 days of leave per year without it being a huge hassle?
 
Technically, they should all allow you to take all of your leave. The 'hassle' part of it is a different issue. If you're in a department where you're fortunate enough to have a partner, then you can generally take leave whenever you want and your partner can cover (assuming he's not a dick). This would include Neurosurgery. The truth is that most military neurosurgeons spend most of their time doing spine, not intracranial cases, so the acuity isn't the same as it might be at some larger volume centers. You probably won't find a solo partner who is willing to accommodate extended periods of leave (because you're dumping call on him alone until you return). The biggest issues in a situation wherein you have a partner is that patients back up. How much they back up depends upon how busy you are. When one of my partners takes leave, our schedules generally fill up across the board for a period of time proportional to how long that partner is gone, and it takes a few weeks to catch back up (and we're booked out 4 weeks at baseline). If you're a solo provider (and I've been there too), it can be a huge, huge deal to take leave. Again, very technically the command can't stop you. They can "direct" you to take leave at times that are more convenient for the hospital, but let's face it when you're the only guy there is never a more convenient time. So good commands will realize this. Bad commands will throw a fit every single time you request leave. Especially for surgeons, you have to rearrange your surgical schedule sometimes for weeks ahead of time (can't do, say tonsillectomies within 2-3 weeks of leave because one might come back bleeding). Your patient log will get ridiculously backed up unless you have someone (say your NCO) start kicking everything out to the network while you're gone but if you have a bad command climate this will come back to bite you when they try to punitively make you see more clinic because you're "losing too much" to the network. these situations can be amplified or mediated by the presence of a nearby civilian specialist in your field who might be willing to cover your patients while you're gone. Generally, he will want reciprocation while he's out of town, and whether you can do that and whether or not the Army totally alienates that civilian provider is entirely up to your command. So yes you get to take your leave. And you should. But the Army can - possibly - make it such a huge ordeal that you won't feel like doing it.
 
Also be aware that hoe much actual time you get when you to take 'all' your leave is also complicated by the rules that require you to take leave whenever you leave the area even if you had a day off that day anyway. Most people just take 4 one week blocks, which means 20 actual work days off, 8 weekend days off, and is in line with the civilian world. Commands usually support that. They can push back much more if you actually try to take 30 work days off per year. Command liberty policies also affect your perception of the leave policy.

Of course, residencies reserve the right to be infinitely more restrictive and dickish than a normal command. In my Intern year we were restricted to 14 days off per year, and one 4 day holiday block. I knew one Intern (in a different specialty) who had a pair of family medical emergencies: one during his ED rotation that required him to schedule his 10 'off' shifts for the month in a row and one during his 4 day holiday block(which were his only 4 days off in the month and therefore not really a holiday anyway). He was told that since the emergencies were out of area he had used up his days off for Intern year, even though he didn't actually get a single work day off.
 
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Agreed...this is both funny and ridiculous
 
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