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List of Medical School broken down into Top-Tier, Middle-Tier, Low-Tier?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical Allopathic [ MD ]' started by Marjan Islam, 01.04.09.

  1. Marjan Islam

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    I'm trying to decide what schools I want to apply to. Frankly, I don't care too much as to which school I get into, as long as I get into one!

    http://www.studentdoctor.net/wiki/index.php/How_do_I_decide_where_to_apply%3F#Your_Competitive_Score


    I've gone there and looked it over, and I want to compile a list of schools from my Competitive Score (CS), but I was wondering if there's a definitive list of schools broken down into the Tiers listed on the page?

    I'll apply to my 2 state schools in Alabama, and mostly up north after that, but I have no idea how to judge between the schools!
  2. Forthegood

    Forthegood ProcrastinationAficionado

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    Ambiguous, frighteningly broad post.

    Apply to the one that suits you the best. That can mean in curriculum, board scores, placements, specialties, rankings, research, this list approaches infinity.

    A better question is what do you want out of your medical school, and is money an issue? With that, perhaps, we can help.
  3. TeamZissou

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    Here maybe this will help you in your quest:thumbup:

    As far as tiers go, med schools are not necessarily broken down into tiers such as law schools are. Most med schools have very similar curriculums and it is more dependent on your individual effort to make sure you receive a solid education.

    The biggest difference between the schools is the average stats of the students going to that school. That being said, throw your stats into this calculator and see which ones your on par for. From there if you are interested in research you can see which schools receive more NIH funding from the US News rankings.
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    I want to go to the lowest tier MD school in the U.S... if that means that there will be less people like you there

    "WAGGGHHHH WATS THE MOST PRETSTEGIOUS SCHOOL I GOTTA GET IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    tired of hearing that garbage... be thankful if you get in period. I'm cynical at this point, I almost think that most kids want to get into med. school solely for the ego and power boost. I'm sure the profession doesn't need anymore narcissists
    claduva94 likes this.
  5. 202781

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    well they will get at least one more.
  6. cbrons

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    :laugh:
  7. jungli

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    wowww ur so cool man u dont care at allll where u get into school..thats so awesome and amazing

    how abt u chill out not be so rude? can u do that?
    i think the OP didnt imply in the least what ur assuming abt wanting the most prestigious school. he/she asking for a breakdown so relax.
  8. Aladdin

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    Couldn't agree with you more. Especially the part about not needing anymore narcissists.
  9. chemolupusMD

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    dude, that excel spreat sheet is pretty cool.
  10. flip26

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    No tiers (but plenty of tears) in med school...
  11. copacetic

    copacetic Copacetic Was Here!

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    you're asking for trouble with this post! people have strong opinions and rarely agree
  12. GoodMorning

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    without expressing any personal opinion on "rankings" or they way in which this website uses them, I'm going to offer to you what I believe you're looking for.

    On the website you cited, I found this:

    "While I cannot reproduce the U.S. News list here out of respect for copyright concerns, some free content is available online at US News and World Report Rankings Guide. With 125 medical schools, let’s say that there are 5 tiers, each with 25 schools. U.S. News freely lists the first two tiers. Using your Competitive Score, this table gives you an idea of where you can apply."

    So, whoever created this system wants you to chop the USNWR list into chunks with 25 schools per chunk. 1-25= tier 1, 26-50=tier 2, etc according to the person who made this system.

    Does this help?
  13. ButImLETired

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    WHOA what's everyone's problem today?! The poor OP asked a really legitimate question! I doubt he's the "zomg prestiggeeeeeee" type, I'm getting the impression he just wants to figure out how to rank schools in his head so he can make up a list of where he'd be competitive, and USNews is as "objective" and pre-made a ranking system as there is out there. Good Lord, people! As LizzyM says, maybe this is why med schools care about verbal reasoning scores...

    To the OP: the USNews ranking system can give you a pretty rough estimate of how competitive the schools are, in the sense that the "higher-ranked" schools tend to be harder to get into. The school selection spreadsheet someone uploaded is a good resource, as it contains all the admission data broken down into In-State, Out of State, etc (this is important, since some schools accept no/very few out of staters). The MSAR is also a great resource since it has all the admission information for each school, as well as some information about their mission, curriculum (although looking at the individual websites always works best for this), etc. Start with those resources and go from there. Good luck!
  14. Narmerguy

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    Everyone likes to complain about it a lot but US News is as close to a ranking system as you can get pretty much if you're looking for one. I wouldn't use it religiously but it has its uses.
  15. What up doc

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    here, ill break it down for you:

    Tier 1: Havard
    Tier 2: Hopkins, UCSF
    Tier 3: Penn, Columbia, WUSTL, Stanford, Duke
    Tier 4: Yale, UWash
    Tier 5: Everyone else

    Get your GPA up to a 3.8, break 37+ on the MCAT, publish a couple first author papers, play a Div 1 sport, become a Truman Finalist, and do some ER volunteering and you should have a shot at a top tier school:thumbup:










    :laugh:
  16. GeoDoc

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    having grown up in Minnesota I gotta put in a plug for the oft-forgotten Mayo too :)
  17. chiz2kul

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    There you go, edited that for you hehe
  18. Law2Doc

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    There are really no specified tiers in med school. I know that colleges and law schools tend to be broken down into tiers by organizations like Barrons, but there is no such agreed system in med school. The reason? There are only 125 or so US allo med school, all are quite competitive, and the schools are looking for "good fit" as much as numerical factors. So no, you won't find any established tiers -- that is a creature created on sites like SDN where certain posters like the idea of going to a top school vs a lower ranked school. What some people turn to is the ranking. US News and World Report annually puts out a ranking based largely on research dollars, which many feel approximates "prestige". A better funded med school is a more world reknown med school because it has the bigger name faculty, the bigger labs. You have to be careful about this because that money rarely trickles down into anything that makes your life any different as a med student -- I mean so what if a med school has more research grant dollars if the biggest money generators are some PhD's who don't teach and don't hire med students for their lab, and maybe aren't even at the same local campus? But because premeds are vain, and like to do the whole "mine is bigger than yours" comparison, you will find ad hoc tier systems used on SDN which are generally tied to the US News research ranking.

    One of the more frequent ad hoc tiers seen on SDN is something like "top school" is top 10 ranking, next tier is next 15, next tier down to 50, then anyplace lower than this that is still ranked, and then unranked. This is a silly way to break it down because the school ranked eg. #21 might be equivalent, or even a lot better than the school ranked #18, perhaps in every criteria that matters to a med student, but the latter is a bit better funded on one of its grants. So it's foolish to focus on this kind of distinction. But hey, if you really need this kind of artifical crutch to help choose a school, then yes, the US News Research Ranking is the closest thing you have to a prestige meter, and so you can bunch them in to ill defined tiers if you must. A bad way to pick a school IMHO, but people have picked med schools for stranger reasons.
  19. binko

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  20. 191159

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    Top tier: MD
    Middle tier: DO
    Low tier: Pharm.
    Bottom tier: FMS

    :thumbup::thumbup:
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    LOL...but what is FMS?
  22. Rzarecta

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  23. Bollywood Junkie

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    that, or apply URM
  24. qmcat

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    Agreed. One of the doctors I shadowed also told me that oftentimes the professors at supposedly "lower ranked" schools are better teachers than the ones at the "higher ranked" schools, simply because the ones at top institutions care more about their research and about stroking their ego, while many of the teachers at other institutions are more willing to read the research/articles produced by profs at top instutions and teach the important/relevant concepts to their students.
  25. RoadRunner17

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    Speaking of which, isn't USNWR supposed to come out with new/updated rankings soon? :smuggrin:
  26. WildlifeSaver

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    haha, you forgot vet!

    DVM goes with MD, but some will argue behind:thumbup:
  27. umean2tellme

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    All med schools are different and will make you a competent doctor. I don't know of any one school where there is a high incidence of graduating incompetent doctors, so no matter where you go as long as YOU put forth your best effort you should be just fine. Does it matter what tier medical school you go to? Is it just for bragging rights, b/c a patient is not going to care whether you went to Harvard med school or any other lesser-known college of medicine; all they want is a doc who knows what the hell he/she is doing so they don't die. You can open any door you want in life as long as you work hard enough to get where you want to go. For me, top tier schools are ones that accept you, middle tier are the ones that waitlist you or ones you didn't apply to. Low tier are ones that rejected your ass lol.
  28. Siverhideo1985

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    I think some time at the end of april...but don't quote me on this, haha.
  29. phospho

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  30. Siverhideo1985

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    phospho has all the answers
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    phospho, I love you. I'm going to start calling you Google. You and your sister Wikipedia are all I need to rule the world.
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    I had to correct that for ya. It's looking pretty good now. :thumbup:
  33. phospho

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    haha, thank you! :oops:

    I don't know what I would do without wikipedia (my personal email address is iheartwiki@my internet service provider:D)
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    I would say:

    Top tier - the schools that accepted you
    Middle tier - the schools you didnt apply to
    Bottom tier - the schools that rejected you
  35. RoadRunner17

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    LMAO ! I just tried to kill the ant on my desktop!!!! ( btw - we have these tiny ants in my house and once in a while they do crawl all over my computer....)
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    Worth to be repeated, over and over
  38. phospho

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    Is there a readme for that file?

    I'd like to see what the actual LizzyM score represents, exactly.
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    LizzyM score is the school's average undergrad gpa(10)+ average MCAT.
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    lol, I remember that particular post was the most random one I'd seen in a while.

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