Major Issues Facing Veterinary Medicine Today

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@thesonofdarwin I'm a vegan and I was wondering what you meant in terms of your "controversial" stance on animal rights since I'm having a similar dilemma. So far I've been avoiding the subject of veganism in many of my supplemental essays. How have you approached the issue? I want to be a large animal/food animal vet.

I would recommend that you not be a food animal veterinarian if you are a vegan - you will be faced with problems daily that will put you in opposition to your clients. Once you are in conflict with your clients, nothing will get done, and any hope you have of helping food animals will be lost......if clients don't trust you, they won't follow your recommendations. Not to mention that it will be hard to make a living if you continue to lose the trust and respect of farmers and ranchers who are supposed to hire you.

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@thesonofdarwin I'm a vegan and I was wondering what you meant in terms of your "controversial" stance on animal rights since I'm having a similar dilemma. So far I've been avoiding the subject of veganism in many of my supplemental essays. How have you approached the issue? I want to be a large animal/food animal vet.

Just curious as to why a vegan would want to be a food animal vet. Large animals I can understand - maybe you could focus more on fiber-producing animals (such as sheep and alpacas) or horses. Veterinary medicine causes more than its share of emotional turmoil in its practitioners as it is - I can't imagine you would enjoy working in an industry for very long that goes against everything you apparently believe in.
 
Just curious as to why a vegan would want to be a food animal vet. Large animals I can understand - maybe you could focus more on fiber-producing animals (such as sheep and alpacas) or horses. Veterinary medicine causes more than its share of emotional turmoil in its practitioners as it is - I can't imagine you would enjoy working in an industry for very long that goes against everything you apparently believe in.
I've talked to a few vegetarians/vegans that want to be LA vets in order to help change the way LA medicine is practiced and improve slaughterhouses, humane management, etc. I know I'm not who you are asking, but I thought you might be interested in hearing some of the answers I've heard to that question
 
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I've talked to a few vegetarians/vegans that want to be LA vets in order to help change the way LA medicine is practiced and improve slaughterhouses, humane management, etc. I know I'm not who you are asking, but I thought you might be interested in hearing some of the answers I've heard to that question

Yes, that was my assumption, however I think it makes a lot more sense to try that by doing (i.e. become a farmer/rancher) than by being an outsider to the industry (of food production) and trying to enact change. Starting out in an antagonistic position - or at the very least with a lack of understanding - doesn't seem like the best way to convince someone they should change the way they do things......and I can't see that there's any way that someone who is a vegan couldn't feel an antagonism towards a rancher or farmer (raising animals).
 
Unfortunately, I don't think veterinarians really have that big of an impact in those areas - even in slaughterhouses, their opinions are usually ignored or overridden by those higher up the chain. Temple Grandin has made some real headway in making meat processing facilities more humane, but she's not even a veterinarian. And she's probably done more than any vet ever has in that area. Here's a quote for you:

“My plant in Pennsylvania processed 1,800 cows a day, 220 per hour,” and veterinarians were pressured “to look the other way” when violations happened Lester Friedlander, DVM, a federal meat inspector told the Winnipeg Free Press. The reason? Stopping “the line” cost the plant about $5,000 a minute. Dr. Friedlander was a USDA veterinarian for 10 years and trained other federal veterinarians.

When Mad Cow Disease was first a US threat in 1991, Friedlander says a USDA official told him not to say anything if he ever discovered a case and that he knew of cows that had tested positive at private laboratories but were ruled negative by the USDA. Friedlander told United Press International that the USDA attempted to force him out after he alleged, on national TV, that meat from downer cows supplied the national school lunch program. His charge proved true and led to thebiggest meat recall in US history.

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Another one:

Another federal meat inspector who spoke out about the broken system was veterinarian Dean Wyatt. The Food Safety and Inspection Service Supervisory Public Health Veterinarian from Williston, VT testified at Congressional hearings in 2010 about federal inspectors’ shocking lack of authority in slaughter plants. Plant managers openly defied the federal inspectors he said and workers followed suit, actually ridiculing them.

Both Wyatt and public health veterinarian, Deena Gregory, reported that they witnessed a Seaboard employee hit an, “animal hard in the face and nose 8–12 times,” but David Ganzel, DVM, the District Veterinary Medical Specialist, deemed the acts was not “egregious,” hence not a violation, said Wyatt in his Congressional testimony. Seaboard employees began to snicker when Wyatt walked past.

Food Safety and Inspection Service officials overtly served plant managers not the government, food consumers, employees or the animals. Dr. Wyatt was instructed not to file violation reports—not to do his job—and official reports were sanitized and deleted. In one report of an employee abusively throwing an animal, the word “threw” was changed to “dropped” he testified.

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Just adding my two cents to the animal welfare vs. animal rights and the guardianship vs. ownership issues. I feel they are obviously linked pretty close. For my interview with Kansas, I was asked what I think the difference is between animal rights and animal welfare (but not my opinion and why). What I used was an example where a small animal rights group in New York were trying to sue the state for personhood of five chimps they had obtained from various places. On the one hand, the chimps would be able to live how they want (assuming naturally). However, on the other side, the rest of society would have to treat them like any other person. A chimp living naturally and treating it as a person don't really mix in that a chimp would not necessarily grasp our social system. We own our own homes, our pets, etc. What if a chimp with personhood broke into your house? Well, the chimp would be arrested and sent to jail, just like any other person, and put on trail/sued for the break in. Can a chimp grasp that? We've had some amazingly intelligent chimps, I will give you that. But don't some groups (PETA and ALF immediately come to mind) want all animals on that same level? Even if a chimp can be taught to understand being on trial, my dog certainly couldn't.

The same line of thought follows with the guardianship and other laws that would elevate animals from owned property to individuals. My first question would be in the case of euthanasia. If you are a guardian instead of an owner, what extra hoops would you have to go through in order to euthanize a pet? Someone mentioned the state would record a guardian would have to wait fifteen days to make sure that is the decision that is right. Well, there have been two cases in the last few weeks at the clinic I work at where an owner decided to euthanize there dog that morning b/c of evident pain of their pet. Would those cases be excluded from the 15 day period, or would the owners and vets have to wait the 15 days, knowing the animal is in pain (and paying for that pain management as well)? What about shelters? Would we be able to have shelters if we're guardians and not owners, and if so, would it be like our (broken) foster system where a parent gives up their kid/kid is taken?

Also as far as vets reporting abuse, we just had a case a few weeks ago of a parvo positive puppy came in. This puppy was horribly matted, extremely unsocial with us vets/techs/assistants. When I asked the vet in the clinic that day about report abuse cases in general, she said that she looks at it where would the animal in general be better off. With this dog, yes, he was insanely matted and yes he was antisocial with us. But with his family, he obviously "loved" them. Very positive body language with his owners sort of thing. More over, the family had just gotten back on their feet and they were able to pay for two days of in hospital parvo treatment. Ultimately, our doctor for that day felt that the dog would still be better off with his family b/c with his current antisocial tenancies, he would not be adoptable.

Sorry for the length.
 
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