Males being asked to leave during pelvic exams

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Is it just me or does the garbage being spewed by SMW83 sound alot like that of Janice's? It appears as if they are both on the same intellectual level!

First of all, enter medical school, get through the first 2 years, go into clinicals and do an OB-Gyn rotation, and THEN come in here and profess your opinion that perverted men are the only ones that go into this field. Your comments alone show the lack of insight you have into this whole discussion.

Do us all a favor and post messages that are well thought out, based on facts, and not just pure garbage that are designed to get a reaction out of the other forum's users just because you need that one shred of attention in your life!

Go focus on your studies and topics that you know about rather than wasting everyone's time in this forum and the General Residency one!

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Originally posted by Global Disrobal
Is it just me or does the garbage being spewed by SMW83 sound alot like that of Janice's? It appears as if they are both on the same intellectual level!

First of all, enter medical school, get through the first 2 years, go into clinicals and do an OB-Gyn rotation, and THEN come in here and profess your opinion that perverted men are the only ones that go into this field. Your comments alone show the lack of insight you have into this whole discussion.

Do us all a favor and post messages that are well thought out, based on facts, and not just pure garbage that are designed to get a reaction out of the other forum's users just because you need that one shred of attention in your life!

Go focus on your studies and topics that you know about rather than wasting everyone's time in this forum and the General Residency one!

Good Day!

I am speaking from the fact that I am female and I have been to an OBGYN before...for a GYN exam...I felt comfortable with the female NP I had because the NP was female. It makes me wonder why males do go into OBGYN..........sure some of the OBGYN's are professional, but how many aren't?
 
Have you ever wondered why a woman would go into Urology? Why a man would go into Gastroenterology? Why a man would do breast augmentation surgery? Why a women would do inguinal hernia repair on a man? Shall I go on with this to show the flaw in your argument?

The poin that I (along with other members) raise is that if you have been a medical student, have done an OB-GYN rotation, and seen the scenario from the other side, you would understand why it so obsured to look at it from a sexual point. The problem with your view is that you like to paint all males in the field with the same brush as "perverts." That is far from the truth. I do NOT doubt that there are bad seeds and perverts that will go into the field to get the sick joy that they seek, but sooner or later they are exposed for what they are. But people (such as yourself) need to open their minds and realize that a man CAN go into this field without any sexual factors in mind, rather to have:

The opportunity to bring joy to a family with a new arrival
The opportunity to establish long term relationship with his/her patients
To have a relatively healthy patient population
The chance to affect women's health
The chance to do both primary care and surgery

GD
 
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Originally posted by SMW83
I am speaking from the fact that I am female and I have been to an OBGYN before...for a GYN exam...I felt comfortable with the female NP I had because the NP was female. It makes me wonder why males do go into OBGYN..........sure some of the OBGYN's are professional, but how many aren't?

Get a clue you stupid bitch..........:laugh:
 
Originally posted by SMW83
but think of it this way...would a male prefer another male or a female applying direct pressure to his sex organ? whether or not it was sexual ?
(i hang around college guys so I know the extent of their intelligent convos..:laugh:...)

trust me. when your blood is pumping out of you like that, you don't care who is putting pressure on as long as the bleeding stops.

just because someone is in college does not mean that they're intelligent. kinda like just because someone is on a pre-med/medical student message board means that they're smart.
 
Originally posted by Brachial_Plexus
Get a clue you stupid bitch..........:laugh:

One has to wonder why some people resort to name-calling........:rolleyes:
 
it doesnt really matter whether or not the doctor felt in any way sexual is performing the exam.............what really matters is if the woman feels that the doctors exam was sexual........
 
Originally posted by SMW83
it doesnt really matter whether or not the doctor felt in any way sexual is performing the exam.............what really matters is if the woman feels that the doctors exam was sexual........

By this statement alone, you are admitting that the problem lies with the patient (in this case yourself) and not in the gender of the professional performing the exam. Seems to me that you just admitted the flaw in your own argument.
 
Originally posted by jvarga
By this statement alone, you are admitting that the problem lies with the patient (in this case yourself) and not in the gender of the professional performing the exam. Seems to me that you just admitted the flaw in your own argument.

my thoughts exactly.
 
Originally posted by SMW83
it doesnt really matter whether or not the doctor felt in any way sexual is performing the exam.............what really matters is if the woman feels that the doctors exam was sexual........

SMW83 is about as sharp as a marble....

rational people realize that doctors in all specialties must be comfortable with all of the body parts. yes, even the reproductive organs!

if a patient has any reason to be uncomfortable with a doctor, i 100% agree that they have the right to choose a different doctor. but, that is a matter of patient preference. if you are not comfortable with a male doctor because you think he must be a pervert, then i agree you have the right to choose a female. but, to think that your feelings at all reflect reality is really pushing it.

you are free to have your own ignorant thoughts on any matter. but, please realize that your thoughts simply make you look paranoid and ignorant. doctors in all specialties can be excellent, compassionate and empathetic caregivers, regardless of race, sex, religion, sexual orientation or whatever. to assume anything about sombody based on any of the above simply means that you are predjudiced.
 
I think I have to agree with LarryJ on this one. If the attending/nurse is wishy-washy about asking whether or not a student is allowed, patients tend to lean towards not having a male being present. That being said, I can't say that I would feel super-comfortable with a male digging around in there on my daughter. There are still plenty of opportunities to do paps, bimanuals, etc...you just have to make each one count. And in response to the first post...the patients wishes ALWAYS come first. We couldn't learn if it weren't for the patients!
 
I'm going to chime in here with a decidedly non-medical, anecdotal, but experienced perspective on the issue. Some background first: I'm 29 years old with four children (including a twin birth in there). I've experienced eclampsia, gestational diabetes, twin-twin-transfusion syndrome, pre-mature birth, and a myriad of more minor obstetric "issues". :)

As a patient my experience has been mostly positive. I think this is in major part because I carefully chose my medical professionals. I have no overriding preference for a male ob/gyn however I've ended up choosing a male physician for each of my three pregnancies. I found all of my male physicians to be kind, gentle, responsive to my physical and mental state, professionally competent (to say the least), and generally pleasant medical doctors in both bedside manner and medical prowess.

In comparison I have had pelvic exams performed by female physicians (family practitioners) and didn't have any psychological or physical problem with that situation either.

The only remarkable negative experience I can relate that seems to be a difference in gender among medical professionals is that *some* of the female nurses I've encountered in obstetrics are decidedly unpleasant people in that they would not "believe" my descriptions of my physical state, my discomforts, or various other l/d issues. Perhaps that is more of a nursing issue than a gender issue? I suspect it is not, however, as I have found that in the non-medical world men seem to be more compassionate regarding women in pain or in need. (Perhaps it is a chivalry thing?) Anyway, my experiences have resulted in a leeriness towards female nurses in obstetrics for what it's worth.

As an aside and completely heresay: My husband's least favorite rotation during medical school was ob/gyn. Why? Because the female residents and attendings that dominated the county hospital were quite a group of vipers. There were ridiculous and nitpicky ways this group of females would attempt to belittle the male medical students. This was such a wide-spread phenomenon at that medical school (whose hospital btw consistantly delivers the most births in the nation) that my husband's graduating class included several skits in their class film on the subject of the inane heirarchal practices in ob/gyn. I wonder if the members of that department realize their derogatory reputation among the members of their own affiliated medical school?

Needless to say I am not aware of very many men in my husband's graduating class that stuck with the decision to go into ob/gyn. I do know of a number of these men leaning towards ob/gyn that chose the fp route instead.

Another facet of my point of view that might be of interest: My husband did not find pelvic or breast exams arousing in the slightest. We actually had several conversations on the subject in the last few years (from the ob/gyn exam issues to having to remove clothing from er patients to doing various sonography and such as a radiologist). He sees it very clinically and unemotionally. From my personal experiences with his friends in medical school and residency and my own physicians I do not doubt his professional manner towards these exams is the norm among male physicians.

I am sure that a few "sickos" might manage to slip into the ob/gyn specialty and harm some patients before they are caught and stripped of their licenses. However, I am equally sure that some "sickos" of a pedophilic persuasion manage to get into pediatrics. This doesn't mean I'm going to stop taking my children to pediatricians or avoid male ones (since a number of pedophiles are, in fact, women). It simply means I vigilantly screen our choices for physicians AND I educate myself on medical issues (something a certain troll on this thread has apparently NOT done).

My opinion (and, not a humble one either).
 
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besides when I go for my GYN checkup, I would be wary of the male OB/GYN because it would make me think of how horny he was to want to get into the profession in the first place.....I would be more comfortable with a female because they can relate to the patient more.

I agree. They should have separate hospital for men and women, with the women's hospital completely staffed by women and the men's with men.

And no women should ever learn how to examine a prostate or check for an indirect hernia.
 
radspouse, I find it interesting that your husband found the female ob-gyn residents/attendings at his school always finding ways to belittle the male medical students. At my school (I just finished my ob-gyn rotation and want to apply for ob-gyn positions next year) I find that the female residents get along better with the male med students than the female ones. I was feeling a little jealous being a female interested in ob-gyn. I thought I would have to tap dance on the table to get someone to notice my interest.

I don't think the residents did it on purpose, though, and my evaluations were pretty positive. I just think it was just the male-female dynamic (and some of my male med school classmates are pretty cute) ;)

-kem
 
Originally posted by pathstudent
I agree. They should have separate hospital for men and women, with the women's hospital completely staffed by women and the men's with men.

And no women should ever learn how to examine a prostate or check for an indirect hernia.

Curious. Although my first thought was that this post was said in sarcasm (and, I hope it was :) ), I will respond as if the above was stated in earnest.

If a woman needed medical treatment and the best physician available for that particular procedure was a male doctor would you insist the woman NOT see the best possible specialist because of his gender?

Should a physician's gender be more important in the treatment of a patient than a physician's medical knowledge/expertise? If so, why?

I am particularly curious as to the backgrounds of the posters who insist that male physicians should not see female patients or that male ob/gyn's are somehow perverts. Are these emotional (as opposed to logical) conclusions a result of personal experience, religion, bigotry, or something else? I suppose my curiosity about such a position is due to the fact that the women I know are enlightened enough to respect female AND male physicians as professionals.
 
Originally posted by radspouse
Curious. Although my first thought was that this post was said in sarcasm (and, I hope it was :) ), I will respond as if the above was stated in earnest.

If a woman needed medical treatment and the best physician available for that particular procedure was a male doctor would you insist the woman NOT see the best possible specialist because of his gender?

Should a physician's gender be more important in the treatment of a patient than a physician's medical knowledge/expertise? If so, why?

I am particularly curious as to the backgrounds of the posters who insist that male physicians should not see female patients or that male ob/gyn's are somehow perverts. Are these emotional (as opposed to logical) conclusions a result of personal experience, religion, bigotry, or something else? I suppose my curiosity about such a position is due to the fact that the women I know are enlightened enough to respect female AND male physicians as professionals.

Hmm. They had hospitals like that - in Afghanistan. Wonder how it worked out for them?
 
From some personal experience and hearing stories from others, there seems to be a trend where male students are often being asked to leave during a Gyn visit. This seems unfair, especially to those of us interested in ObGyn. At what point do the patient's wishes get trumped by the need to train students?
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As a patient who still has autonomy even when hospitalized, I hope my wishes are never trumped by someone else's need to use my body and control my experience in order to further their education. Patients are people and we retain the option to say no to being observed, touched, or penetrated by strangers.
 
As a patient who still has autonomy even when hospitalized, I hope my wishes are never trumped by someone else's need to use my body and control my experience in order to further their education. Patients are people and we retain the option to say no to being observed, touched, or penetrated by strangers.
How many more of these old threads are you going to necrobump? If you have something that important to say, it's probably worth a single new thread.
 
The patient's wishes NEVER get trumped by the need to train students. It's my cervix, thank you, and as long as I am conscious I get to choose who sees it.
It is heartening to hear this coming from a physician. Thank you!
 
It is heartening to hear this coming from a physician. Thank you!
You should really pay attention to the post dates in threads. This thread is a decade old. No one in it posts anymore, and those that did have finished medical school, residency, and started families at this point.
 
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NeuroSpeed, Thank you for clarifying. I am new here, arrived to do some research for the young people I mentor, and became interested in the posts...I didn't notice how old they were. If you wouldn't mind, I haven't yet absorbed the culture of this site, wasn't sure what the best approach to getting questions answered since I am not a student doctor yet. Advice is appreciated and welcome.
 
As a patient who still has autonomy even when hospitalized, I hope my wishes are never trumped by someone else's need to use my body and control my experience in order to further their education. Patients are people and we retain the option to say no to being observed, touched, or penetrated by strangers.
NeuroSpeed, Thank you for clarifying. I am new here, arrived to do some research for the young people I mentor, and became interested in the posts...I didn't notice how old they were. If you wouldn't mind, I haven't yet absorbed the culture of this site, wasn't sure what the best approach to getting questions answered since I am not a student doctor yet. Advice is appreciated and welcome.
Why are you bumping up an 11 year old thread, unnecessarily? All the original people in this thread are long gone finished with medical school, residency, are married and have kids by now. Even premeds know how to use this site.
 
Yet another old thread not warranting bumping. Agree with above posts that you should either start a new one or avoid bumping threads beyond 3-5 years ago.
Closing.
 
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