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I'm not so sure about Moscow (never been there) and Chicago, but I guess I forgot about the other two b/c I don't like the cities lol.
I'm not so sure about Moscow (never been there) and Chicago, but I guess I forgot about the other two b/c I don't like the cities lol.
I'm dying to get out of NYC. I'm glad other places have diversity, large hospital systems, etc.likewise. you're not the only with with NYC roots
I'm dying to get out of NYC. I'm glad other places have diversity, large hospital systems, etc.
also what's the difference between preliminary and transitional?Just out of curiosity, what is surgery-preliminary? Does it differ from general surgery?
Just out of curiosity, what is surgery-preliminary? Does it differ from general surgery?
also what's the difference between preliminary and transitional?
Preliminary and transitional years are PGY-1 (intern) positions that you do before an "advanced" residency that starts in PGY-2 (like anesthesia, rad-onc, derm, etc). You usually match to both at once, so that's why people with a match to a prelim/ty typically also have a match to an advanced specialty.
I'm sure someone else can give a better explanation, but a prelim year is in one general area, either medicine or surgery. A transitional year consists of rotations, including medicine and surgery.
Medical students rotate primarily at these first four for core rotations:
1) Ben Taub General Hospital - Houston's county hospital...imagine doing rotations at the county hospital in the country's most diverse city. My favorite hospital to rotate at and the favorite of most other students. Hands on, very diverse pathologies, things you legitimately don't see elsewhere
2) Michael E DeBakey VA - the largest VA in the country, 2nd largest government building after the Pentagon
3) St. Lukes Hospital - private hospital associated with Texas Heart Insitute (big time Cards/CT program), site of first successful heart transplant
4) Texas Children's Hospital - largest children's hospital in the US, ranked 4th in the contry in 2013 (haven't seen the most recent ranking) but it's usually top 5
5) Methodist - less students rotate here, but you CAN do selectives/electives here such as urology, ent, psych
6) MD Anderson - very few rotate here...4 each rotation do psychiatry, but other than that, i dont think anyone else rotates here
- also we some do clinical rotations as well as some preclinical clinical experiences at a variety of outpatient clinics
so with our hospitals, you get clinical experience with all patient populations and pathologies (county, veterans, children, private) and you see how medicine is practiced in different settings. if i can make one plug that isn't just for baylor, i'd recommend that all pre-meds strongly considering going to a medical school with a county hospital...you get so much more hands on experience/training...it's awesome
Does anyone have the lists for VCU or MUSC?
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Preliminary and transitional years are PGY-1 (intern) positions that you do before an "advanced" residency that starts in PGY-2 (like anesthesia, rad-onc, derm, etc). You usually match to both at once, so that's why people with a match to a prelim/ty typically also have a match to an advanced specialty.
I'm sure someone else can give a better explanation, but a prelim year is in one general area, either medicine or surgery. A transitional year consists of rotations, including medicine and surgery.
Preliminary and transitional years are PGY-1 (intern) positions that you do before an "advanced" residency that starts in PGY-2 (like anesthesia, rad-onc, derm, etc). You usually match to both at once, so that's why people with a match to a prelim/ty typically also have a match to an advanced specialty.
I'm sure someone else can give a better explanation, but a prelim year is in one general area, either medicine or surgery. A transitional year consists of rotations, including medicine and surgery.
Right. Preliminary medicine or surgery programs are 1 year programs designed to fulfill the basic intern experience for someone who is planning a career in one of the many specialties that technically begin PGY-2 (second year of residency). Specialties for which most people complete a preliminary medicine year include radiology, dermatology, ophthalmology, some anesthesiology, PM&R, neurology, radiation oncology, and so on. Several surgical subspecialties require a separate preliminary surgery year, although quite a few programs have a prelim surgery year directly connected to their advanced program (so, in essence, if you match into Urology at program X, you also 'automatically' match into Preliminary Surgery for your first year at program X).
To make it more confusing, some people going into specialties that are not classically thought of as "surgical" (radiology, ophthalmology) will choose to complete a Preliminary Surgery year instead of Medicine.
To make it even more confusing, some people choose to substitute a Transitional Year for where Preliminary Medicine would otherwise be appropriate (see list above). TYs are usually (but not always) more competitive to match into than Prelim Medicine. They often contain fewer core months on the wards (2-6) per year, and allow for a flexible schedule with a handful of elective and less intense required rotations. These programs usually afford you significantly more free time than most intern year programs.
Hopefully that explains some of what was being asked.
Note that someone who ONLY has a General Surgery Prelim spot (without a following Urology, etc) is a person who usually was NOT able to match into a categorical Gen Surg spot (for all 5-7 years of training) and only has a prelim spot for a year (or maybe two) and has to TRY again to match or find a categorical spot somehow. In other words, you usually don't want JUST prelim gen surg spot (unless it is meant to go onto something like urology and you also have a spot saved there) because you will have to continue the process of trying to find a spot for all years of training.
How screwed are you if you change your mind during the intern year. For example let's say you're doing your surgery intern year for gen surgery but during the ortho rotation you feel like changing career paths. Is it too late then??
Disclaimer: just an "out of curiosity question." Def not thinking that far ahead
No, it's not too late, it just becomes that much more difficult to land a residency slot. However, I'm not sure how many general surgery interns rotate through orthopaedics. Seems like it'd be similar to a pediatrics intern rotating through the MICU.
No, it's not too late, it just becomes that much more difficult to land a residency slot. However, I'm not sure how many general surgery interns rotate through orthopaedics. Seems like it'd be similar to a pediatrics intern rotating through the MICU.
It's exceptionally difficult to move "up" in the world once you are in residency. (When I say "up" I mean in terms of general competitiveness/prestige).
So a unhappy ortho intern might be able to successfully find a general surgery or an anesthesia position (since that is a "downward" move). It would be very unlikely for someone who initially matched in a less competitive field to move up into ortho or plastics, etc.
For the most part their only chance of doing so would be if an opening came up in an ortho program that needed to be filled, i.e. an ortho intern quits for something else.
Also worth noting that on de-identified match lists sorted by specialty, it can be impossible to tell how many of the prelim matches are associated with an advanced match, and how many were people who scrambled into a prelim spot or didn't match their advanced specialty of choice.
Am I wrong to think this is a really strong list for Wake Forest?
http://www.wakehealth.edu/uploadedF...Medicine/Features/2014_House_Officer_List.pdf
Am I wrong to think this is a really strong list for Wake Forest?
http://www.wakehealth.edu/uploadedF...Medicine/Features/2014_House_Officer_List.pdf
It also contains the whitest name in the world: William Romulus Yarbourough Carlton Jr... I mean jesus. He probably gets sunburned at night.Am I wrong to think this is a really strong list for Wake Forest?
http://www.wakehealth.edu/uploadedF...Medicine/Features/2014_House_Officer_List.pdf
It also contains the whitest name in the world: William Romulus Yarbourough Carlton Jr... I mean jesus. He probably gets sunburned at night.
Chicago Medical School at Rosalind Franklin University
4 derm , 4 optho, 1 rad onc, 8 ortho, 1 vascular, 1 urology
UCSD Match List 2014:
Anesthesiology (5)
Loma Linda
U Arizona
U Arizona
UCSD
U Michigan
Dermatology (4)
Mt. Sinai
Pitt
UCSD
UNC
Emergency Medicine (4)
UCD
UCI
UCI
UCSD
Family Medicine (10)
Family Health Centers of San Diego
Kaiser San Diego
Methodist Hospital - Sacramento
Rochester
Scripps Mercy
Sutter – Santa Rosa
Tripler Army – Honolulu
UCLA-Harbor
Ventura County
Ventura County
General Surgery (14)
Arrowhead
Harvard – B&W
Harvard – B&W
Kaiser Los Angeles
Rush
UCD
UCI
UCI
UCI
UCSD
UCSD
UCSF
UCSF
U Washington
Internal Medicine and Anesthesiology (1)
Loma Linda
Internal Medicine (20)
Johns Hopkins
Kaiser Los Angeles
Kaiser Santa Clara
Penn
Santa Clara Valley
Santa Clara Valley
Santa Clara Valley
Scripps Green
Scripps Mercy
St. Mary’s – San Francisco
Stanford
Stanford
UCLA
UCSD
UCSD
UCSD
U Washington
U Washington
U Washington
Wash U
Medicine-Pediatrics (5)
Baylor
Baylor
UCSD
USC
USC
Neurological Surgery (1)
USC
OB/GYN (8)
Harvard – B&W
Navy – San Diego
Stanford
UCLA
UCLA
U Chicago
U Oklahoma
Yale
Ophthalmology (2)
UCSD
UCSD
Orthopedic Surgery (2)
UCLA - Harbor
USC
Pathology (4)
Harvard – B&W
Johns Hopkins
Penn
Stanford
Pediatrics (14)
Childrens LA
Navy – Portsmouth
Stanford
UCI
UCLA
UCSD
UCSD
UCSD
UCSD
UCSF
UCSF
UCSF
USC
U Washington
Plastic Surgery (2)
Baylor
Stanford
Psychiatry (7)
Mt. Sinai
NYU
Stanford
UCD
UCSD
UCSD
Yale
Psychiatry and Family Medicine (1)
UCSD
Radiation Oncology (2)
Harvard – B&W
U Michigan
Radiology (10)
Penn
Rochester
UCD
UCI
UCLA
UCSD
UCSD
UT Houston
U Washington
U Washington
Urology (3)
Kaiser Pasadena
UCLA
U Washington
Yeah, I just realized that's true. The match list I have doesn't list which ones are, though. Sorry.Wow, that's a lot of gsurg. Are some of those prelim matches?
Well, I was really pointing it out because I'm placing some of the big 4 institutions beneath non-big 4 institutions for IM.
My R.O.L. is going to look something like this:
Northwestern
UChicago
Vanderbilt
Penn
MGH
B&W
BIDMC
Columbia
Loyola
Rush
Cleveland Clinic Foundation
UCSF
...et al...
NO, I am not suggesting that I already know my ROL. I'm saying I would attend a litany of places not considered quite on the same level as UCSF, before considering UCSF. As much as I love San Francisco, I want to go to a program with a very strong track record of placing people into fellowship.
"But bakedbeans, why would you go to Penn or Vanderbilt over MGH?"
Well, that answer is pretty simple. New York Giants for life.
btw if anyone can't read it, i can try to write them all down.