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Got it, but I also just realized that it's almost word for word the same as my post on page 1 about the RVU EM match at UofUtah
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Interesting. You've just taught me everything I know about Spambots.That's what spambots do.
They quote something you previously said (often running it through google translate which is why there will be small variations)
Because neuro sucks?Just out of curiosity, what is the reason there are so few neuro matches per school? I'm interested in the field but there is only a few every year. Is it because of the preliminary year? Thanks!
Because neuro sucks?
J/k we had a couple neuro matches in my school. It just isn't a hugely popular specialty for some reason. I know everyone who wanted it in my class was able to match though
Cant wait to find out why Mass General is actually not that impressive of a match! Trolls....Assemble!!
Anesthesiology isn't that competitive anymore. The gloominess of that forum speaks for itself. One of their concerns is that the ACA will cause an eventual collapse of the private health insurance industry. This would decimate salaries, as government payors reimburse more poorly for anesthesia than any other specialty (apparently).
DCOM matches (self reported via a google map we have going). The map is student run so not everyone has responded.
ACGME matches
Emergency Med - Western Michigan/Stryker, Cornell, Drexel, Rochester
UChicago (Pritzker) is starting to take DO's in their anesthesia program as well. I believe there is a DO (or 2?) currently in the program, a CA-1 starting next year, and a Categorical starting next year as well.
It's the internet, man. There is another speciality that is untouchable on SDN but is actually fine in real life.it is true though that anesthesiology isn't that competitive anymore. The gloominess of that forum speaks for itself. One of their concerns seems to be that the ACA will cause an eventual collapse of the private health insurance industry. This would decimate salaries, as government payors reimburse more poorly for anesthesia than any other specialty (apparently).
Honestly any match at MGH is pretty dang impressive.
I myself am always impressed with a Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic match (the HOME site) because they always rank at the top of many specialties in country.
But I will say that IM at Mayo Clinic in MN is extremely competitive and I have yet to see a DO match there....yet.
Listen up guys @AlteredScale the premed is impressed. His -4 months of experience in med school and being 4 years away from the match make him extremely knowledgeable and trustworthy on the subject. As an IM resident I must defer to him.
(stop reading here if you think i'm a troll)
For IM CCF is not a good program despite the fact that you recognize it's name. Mayo is a solid mid tier program in an awful location so they have trouble attracting the types of candidates that end up at similar programs. There are DOs in both programs.
I don't know anything about anesthesia programs therefore will not comment on the MGH match. I wish others on this board would also admit when they are not knowledgeable about a subject rather than just repeating warped versions of what they've read on the Internet. As others have mentioned though US MDs are running very far away from anesthesia making it significantly less competitive than it was just a few years ago.
You could be educational without being a douche... Just saying.Listen up guys @AlteredScale the premed is impressed. His -4 months of experience in med school and being 4 years away from the match make him extremely knowledgeable and trustworthy on the subject. As an IM resident I must defer to him.
(stop reading here if you think i'm a troll)
For IM CCF is not a good program despite the fact that you recognize it's name. Mayo is a solid mid tier program in an awful location so they have trouble attracting the types of candidates that end up at similar programs. There are DOs in both programs.
I don't know anything about anesthesia programs therefore will not comment on the MGH match. I wish others on this board would also admit when they are not knowledgeable about a subject rather than just repeating warped versions of what they've read on the Internet. As others have mentioned though US MDs are running very far away from anesthesia making it significantly less competitive than it was just a few years ago.
Seriously man. Just stop.
For what it's worth, I always enjoy your input. While it may be polarizing to one direction, it's a nice contrast to those who do the exact opposite. Plus... Ron Swanson.Listen up guys @AlteredScale the premed is impressed. His -4 months of experience in med school and being 4 years away from the match make him extremely knowledgeable and trustworthy on the subject. As an IM resident I must defer to him.
(stop reading here if you think i'm a troll)
For IM CCF is not a good program despite the fact that you recognize it's name. Mayo is a solid mid tier program in an awful location so they have trouble attracting the types of candidates that end up at similar programs. There are DOs in both programs.
I don't know anything about anesthesia programs therefore will not comment on the MGH match. I wish others on this board would also admit when they are not knowledgeable about a subject rather than just repeating warped versions of what they've read on the Internet. As others have mentioned though US MDs are running very far away from anesthesia making it significantly less competitive than it was just a few years ago.
For what it's worth, I always enjoy your input. While it may be polarizing to one direction, it's a nice contrast to those who do the exact opposite. Plus... Ron Swanson.
You had me at meat tornado.
Your opinion on some of the KCOM ACGME matches? Like integrated plastics at mayo and ct surgery? I honestly have no idea as far as what is 'competitive' as far as different programs and specialties go.
Listen up guys @AlteredScale the premed is impressed. His -4 months of experience in med school and being 4 years away from the match make him extremely knowledgeable and trustworthy on the subject. As an IM resident I must defer to him.
Right, because my personal opinion on being impressed about specific matches obviously means I'm suggesting that those are top tier programs.
For being a resident at a top tier program (I'm assuming) your sarcasm is... mid-tier.
Also there are no DO's at Mayo Clinic's IM program in MN. You can check again yourself.
School: DO
Step Scores: 250, 266 (667, 680)
Grades: Mostly honors including IM, P in OBGYN
Research: No pubs or posters
AOA: The DO version SSP
Rank: Top 5% in class
Interview Invites:
Minnesota, Mayo Clinic (Rochester), U Colorado, OHSU, CCF
Loyola, SLU, Wake Forest, VCU, UIC, Indiana, U Tennessee, LSU
Rejections: lots: GWU, Dartmouth, UVA, WUSTL, OSU, Yale, Penn, JH Bayview, Utah
Never heard anything: Rush, GWU, Georgetown, WUSTL, OSU, USC, Iowa
Matched (+ # on ROL):
Minnesota! Definitely the program I felt was the best overall fit for me.
Advice:
You need to be a really well-rounded candidate for the competitive programs, especially as a DO. I heard more from "reach programs" than I thought I would. So apply bravely and broadly. Good step scores matter. I think there are many programs that are completely out of reach as a DO, no matter the strength of your application.
I'm not at a top tier program. Does that revelation make my advice/opinion more palatable?
It's hard to tell whether mayo has DOs. They only list about a dozen residents and don't have the full list on their website. They certainly interview DOs though as you can see from the IM match thread:
I've never discredited your advice. Obviously you have a better understanding of residency programs. You are correct that a good cohort of programs are simply closed off for those who are DO grads.
The way you provide that advice is far from palatable (I'm talking stinky tofu distasteful, apologies to those who enjoy that stuff), but I expect nothing less from a resident.
In regards to the Mayo IM: why is it mid-tier as supposed to top-tier?
I've never discredited your advice. Obviously you have a better understanding of residency programs. You are correct that a good cohort of programs are simply closed off for those who are DO grads.
The way you provide that advice is far from palatable (I'm talking stinky tofu distasteful, apologies to those who enjoy that stuff), but I expect nothing less from a resident.
In regards to the Mayo IM: why is it mid-tier as supposed to top-tier?
Until I went through the match process, I thought @MeatTornado was a dick. Now I think he offers valuable, sometimes impudent perspective in addition to being a dick. I think he would be more convincing if he sugar coated his message, but that is exactly what he is trying to combat.
Touro CA match list anyone?
I'm not in their class so I don't have the actual list and Touro has yet to release the official one. Here are some highlights as far as I'm aware:
gas at UC Davis
EM at USC+LAC
Lots of FM, including UC Davis
General Surgery at UCI
IM at UCI, OHSU, SCVMC
Neurology at Harbor-UCLA
Lots of ACGME Psych, Peds, and PM&R in California programs and otherwise
Even a Child Neuro match
The GS at UCI is impressive and so is the GS match at UCLA-Harbor from TouroNY.I'm not in their class so I don't have the actual list and Touro has yet to release the official one. Here are some highlights as far as I'm aware:
gas at UC Davis
EM at USC+LAC
Lots of FM, including UC Davis
General Surgery at UCI
IM at UCI, OHSU, SCVMC
Neurology at Harbor-UCLA
Lots of ACGME Psych, Peds, and PM&R in California programs and otherwise
Even a Child Neuro match
Not everyone is going to like Rochester as a city, but there is nothing mid-tier about the IM program at Mayo Rochester. Their board pass rate, publication number, fellowship match, etc. make the program itself certainly top tier, if not one of the best in the country.Because Rochester.
Not everyone is going to like Rochester as a city, but there is nothing mid-tier about the IM program at Mayo Rochester. Their board pass rate, publication number, fellowship match, etc. make the program itself certainly top tier, if not one of the best in the country.
Rochester is basically Mayo Clinic, MN. It comprises the majority of it's economy. So there's probably not much else there than Mayo. Close enough to the Twin Cities though.What's wrong with Rochester?
most patients have heard of mayo and cleveland clinic.. and they're clueless about everything else... most people outside boston prolly think brigham and women's is a place for obgyn
Can I just be a perpetual Prelim-Surgery intern at MGH? It's HAHVAD BRAH.Who cares bro? We're all about prestige around here. I don't care if I matched into a specialty of my choice at a place that will provide me with adequate training to become a physician! I'm more worried about what tier residency I match into. I'm trying to impress you guys on the internet
Can I just be a perpetual Prelim-Surgery intern at MGH? It's HAHVAD BRAH.
This attitude would be fine...
If it weren't for the fact that despite all the "tiers don't matter this is so stupid" posts...you still end up with the ...
"Zomg someone matched at MGH!!!!!! DO discrimination is dead!!!! SPLOOSH!!!" Posts.
Make up your minds. Either prestige matters or it doesn't. This forum is obsessed with having their cake and eating it too.
There's truth to both sides though. At the end of the day if somebody matches at their specialty of choice, who cares if somebody else doesn't think it's "top tier", as long as that residency is capable of providing adequate training than it's something that person should be proud of. On the other hand, if a DO somehow managed to match MGH, that's something to be proud of too. I really don't see the point in crapping on other people's accomplishments. Maybe i'm just tired of these types of conversations:
Person 1: "This DO school match X amount of people into ortho!"
Person 2: "Yeah, but their JUST AOA matches"
or this personal favorite
Person 1: "Wow a DO matched at X place which never took a DO before!"
Person 2: "Yeah but that specialty isn't competitive anymore"
In all seriousness, who freaking cares man? Why do some people feel the need to bring down another person's accomplishment? I would congratulate any student that matched into ANY specialty that they wanted to do.
I wonder if Meat Tornado treats MD matches at the Allo forums with the same attitude and posts as he does on the DO side.
Plastics is always super competitive but mayo is middle of the road within plastics.
Noone would pay attention if I wasn't a little brash.
This speaks to a problem for Mayo in general: Their reputation >>> their residency competitiveness.
It's similar for the field I know best (general surgery) - the Mayo program is ranked #11 according to Doximity, and yet it is not close to the most competitive or desired program amongst applicants (in fact it has a lot of FMGs compared to most gen surg residencies).
Living in Rochester Minn is a hard stop for a lot of applicants, so their programs aren't as competitive as other places. There is a good chunk of the applicant pool (even in things like plastics) that won't even apply there.
This speaks to a problem for Mayo in general: Their reputation >>> their residency competitiveness.
It's similar for the field I know best (general surgery) - the Mayo program is ranked #11 according to Doximity, and yet it is not close to the most competitive or desired program amongst applicants (in fact it has a lot of FMGs compared to most gen surg residencies).
Living in Rochester Minn is a hard stop for a lot of applicants, so their programs aren't as competitive as other places. There is a good chunk of the applicant pool (even in things like plastics) that won't even apply there.