Med School and Laptops (PC vs. Mac)

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Again, they said that iPod is just not compatible with PC and that is why it broke.

They released a Windows version of iTunes explicitly so that it would be compatible with Windows machines. Far more iPod users are also Windows users than are Mac users, simply given the vast majority share of the Windows platform.

Thus, that they would tell anyone that the iPod is not compatible with a "PC" tests the limits of plausibility.

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When comparing computers, don't make the assumption that OS X is worthless like you do with a Windows PC.
 
Won't the teenage boys catch on and start writing viruses for firefox now?

No. The "script kiddies" that you are referring to don't have the same number of vulnerabilities to exploit in Firefox. It's fair to say that Microsoft has closed many of the IE vulnerabilities, but more are still discovered in any 6 months period than with Firefox, and given Firefox's significant install base, the "too small a user base to bother with" argument just doesn't hold water.
 
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No. The "script kiddies" that you are referring to don't have the same number of vulnerabilities to exploit in Firefox. It's fair to say that Microsoft has closed many of the IE vulnerabilities, but more are still discovered in any 6 months period than with Firefox, and given Firefox's significant install base, the "too small a user base to bother with" argument just doesn't hold water.

That argument doesn't hold water in any situation. Heck, any hacker that would be able to exploit a real, in the wild, vulnerability in OS X would gain instant fame. It's not that they aren't trying. It's that OS X is pretty damn secure!
 
That argument doesn't hold water in any situation. Heck, any hacker that would be able to exploit a real, in the wild, vulnerability in OS X would gain instant fame. It's not that they aren't trying. It's that OS X is pretty damn secure!
No, security experts said last year in a report that there's no reason why more viruses aren't being written for OS X. I can't remember if who actually wrote the report but I think it was Symantec. They said that Tiger's security features were not immune to attack, but for whatever reason, Macs were not being targeted aggressively. You're right that a virus author, for the sake of ego alone, would code a virus but it hasn't happened yet.

EDIT: looking for the report. Stay tuned.
 
I dunno...I'm not to eager to buy into industry "experts"...they have a motive to sell software. Has that been corroborated?
Y'know... I can't find the original article that I read and everything that I found so far are white papers written by Symantec or McAfee. You're right that a conflict of interest exists and it's likely that the "objective" source that I thought I read the first time was simply the Internet Security Threat Report XII by Symantec and so I'll attribute their evaluation to bias.
 
No, security experts said last year in a report that there's no reason why more viruses aren't being written for OS X. I can't remember if who actually wrote the report but I think it was Symantec. They said that Tiger's security features were not immune to attack, but for whatever reason, Macs were not being targeted aggressively. You're right that a virus author, for the sake of ego alone, would code a virus but it hasn't happened yet.

EDIT: looking for the report. Stay tuned.

Symantec has a conflict of interest. They would LOVE to sell anti-virus software on the Mac but there's absolutely no good reason to. What Mac viruses are there?

It's the same reason why the bundling of Microsoft software with Windows is an absolutely no-no. Built-in antivirus protection would go a LONG way towards making Windows more secure (in the short-term anyway, not sure about long-term), but Symantec and McAfee would complain a ****load to the SEC and EU that it would never happen.
 
Symantec has a conflict of interest. They would LOVE to sell anti-virus software on the Mac but there's absolutely no good reason to. What Mac viruses are there?

It's the same reason why the bundling of Microsoft software with Windows is an absolutely no-no. Built-in antivirus protection would go a LONG way towards making Windows more secure (in the short-term anyway, not sure about long-term), but Symantec and McAfee would complain a ****load to the SEC and EU that it would never happen.
I would also argue that a computer user with any amount of basic sense would be free of viruses regardless of the machine they use. Download in moderation, don't click banners and random links, and you won't have a problem even in Windows. I've never had a virus on my Windows rig and I download more things more often than most people I know.

That said, I do feel a little more free when I'm on my Mac and I'm downloading things from warez sites. For instance, if it's a skeptical link to a keygen, I click on it pretty casually in OS X whereas I probably wouldn't have in Windows.
 
coming from a pc-turned-mac user, go for the mac. much more reliable and faster, also.
 
I'm not talking about getting good options on your computer - I'm talking about building one from scratch (I'm aware that you can't build a PC laptop either - I'm talking about desktops at this point).

Apple Pro "Desktop" system is near 100% configurable, though I admit, the price for that is outrageous.
 
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Apple Pro "Desktop" system is near 100% configurable, though I admit, the price for that is outrageous.

Probably the only people that would really complain are people that want to use their PC for extreme gaming. In that case, I'd suggest you get a PC anyway. There's no such thing as a perfect computer. Gaming is where the Mac horribly fails (price-wise).

In any case, get a Mac as a main computer then another "upgradable" PC.
 
"Leopard Hacked to Run on a PC"
http://dailyapps.net/2007/10/hack-attack-install-leopard-on-your-pc-in-3-easy-steps/

conversation over. Buy a $350 Vista based laptop (fatwallet.com forums will help you find one) and load Leopard onto it. Or just use Vista.
The former is not a great idea. It's a violation of the licensing agreement to do so, so it'll be unsupported. They can't even get wi-fi to work on the hack yet, and installing OS X on unsupported hardware opens you up to other incompatibility issues. If you want the advantages of OS X, suck up the insignificant cost different and buy the real deal.
 
If you are going to get a desktop... build it yourself or get www.kc-computers.com to build it. So much cheaper unless you are going lower end.
 
They can't even get wi-fi to work on the hack yet

How many days has leopard been out? Trust me, It will come, and sooner than later.

installing OS X on unsupported hardware opens you up to other incompatibility issues

Last time I checked, Macs ran on intel chips, used DDR2 ram, and used the same hard drives as PCs. Maybe the two button mouse will overload the system :rolleyes:

If you want the advantages of OS X, suck up the insignificant cost different and buy the real deal.

$1000 is insignificant to you? are you serious?
 
How many days has leopard been out? Trust me, It will come, and sooner than later.
Yeah, and that's why so many people used the hacked version of Tiger, right? :rolleyes:

Last time I checked, Macs ran on intel chips, used DDR2 ram, and used the same hard drives as PCs. Maybe the two button mouse will overload the system :rolleyes:
One of the many reasons Apple is not interested in releasing OS X for use on non-Apple hardware is that it is able to test against a finite number of hardware configurations. One of Microsoft's challenges is having to test its OSs on only a subset of the possible permutations of hardware configurations.

$1000 is insignificant to you? are you serious?
Are YOU serious? Suggesting that there is a $1000 price difference in comparable hardware only serves to reveal your ignorance about today's pricing. If it were 1995, you'd be spot on. It's not 1995.
 
If you are going to get a desktop... build it yourself or get www.kc-computers.com to build it. So much cheaper unless you are going lower end.
If someone was tech savvy enough to build their own rig, they wouldn't be debating between Dell and Apple because they'd know what they'd want after doing the research and checking out the components. Besides, are we still talking about laptops here?
 
ask Dell to cram the same **** that Apple does into their computers and it'll come out looking like the current day Britney Spears (fat and fugly)

I beg to differ.

Britney is nicely plump and still quite sexy.
 
If someone was tech savvy enough to build their own rig, they wouldn't be debating between Dell and Apple because they'd know what they'd want after doing the research and checking out the components. Besides, are we still talking about laptops here?

Unless you still really want a Mac. I used to build my own rigs, but having jumped ship for the Mac, I can't do so anymore.
 
Yeah, and that's why so many people used the hacked version of Tiger, right? :rolleyes:

I'm not even sure how you can make that judgement, but regardless, we're not talking about Tiger. I'm talking about Leopard. [/quote]

One of the many reasons Apple is not interested in releasing OS X for use on non-Apple hardware is that it is able to test against a finite number of hardware configurations. One of Microsoft's challenges is having to test its OSs on only a subset of the possible permutations of hardware configurations.

Until more data comes out on the Leopard hack, its going to be impossible to say what is and is not compatible. My guess is that most things will be. You're free to disagree.

Are YOU serious? Suggesting that there is a $1000 price difference in comparable hardware only serves to reveal your ignorance about today's pricing. If it were 1995, you'd be spot on. It's not 1995.

I'm using a PC I bought in february for $350 that does everything I could possibly need it to. Whats the cheapest mac cost?
 
I'm not even sure how you can make that judgement, but regardless, we're not talking about Tiger. I'm talking about Leopard.

My point is that Tiger was hacked just as Leopard has been, yet there was never any significant use of Tiger on non-Apple hardware. There is no reason to suspect things will be any different with Leopard.

I'm using a PC I bought in february for $350 that does everything I could possibly need it to. Whats the cheapest mac cost?
$999. So, yeah, that's $650 more. If you're in the market for a $350 PC, then you're right: A Mac is not for you.
 
$999. So, yeah, that's $650 more. If you're in the market for a $350 PC, then you're right: A Mac is not for you.

Show me software that will run on the $1000 mac and I'll show you an equivalent that will run on a $350 PC. If you're in the market for a $350 PC, you're smart with your money.
 
Show me software that will run on the $1000 mac and I'll show you an equivalent that will run on a $350 PC. If you're in the market for a $350 PC, you're smart with your money.
1. Garageband
2. Adobe Creative Suite
3. Final Cut
4. any sort of video compressing/converting codec - I happen to use divX
5. AutoCAD
6. any sort of intensive game
 
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