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Discussion in 'China and Eastern Asia' started by Purifyer, 12.04.03.

  1. Purifyer

    Purifyer Dr. Funk

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    Hi all,

    I've just spent a week in Singapore and I must say it's a beautiful city, does anyone have any information as to practising medicine in Singapore? Salaries, work hours, visa troubles et cetera...

    I've tried searching the net but all I could find is a few Singaporean government websites listing the average pay of 'professionals' at around 4,000 sing/month.

    Thanks
  2. redshifteffect

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    My classmate's dad had works there. I'd be happy to get an email address for u if ur' interested.

    This is all 2nd hand so i don't know how much of it's true...but I'll tell u what i know:

    1) he said he had to take a licensing exam...he was from South Africa

    2) He also told me that there is a lot less tax than in australia..that's why his dad works there...but like a car there is almost $100000 when u include all the fees that u have to pay to get a car.

    Anyway i am interested in singapore...great city for sure. and now i heard that the aussie degree is recognised there..but u know they keep changing their minds....
  3. Spiral S

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    I have a couple of friends who are from Singapore. Singapore is a very competitive country. They would prefer their own local grads rather people from the overseas....

    The living costs there are high for example from housing rental to buying a car.... Currently I am studying in Australia, from my personal view, i think it is easier to survive in Australia rather than Singapore. The life in Singapore is pretty hectic...
    If you are looking for an easier life, I would not recommend you to practice in Singapore.
  4. redshifteffect

    redshifteffect Senior Member

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    Again this is all hearsay so i'm not sure how accurate this is. I have heard that life is harder in singapore by a lot of singaporeans but there are two things I have found out (from the same friend). Singapore has a shortage of docs so that's why they currently recognize our degree, also the life for doctors is not that hectic. (but that could be just my friends dad..don't know)
  5. Purifyer

    Purifyer Dr. Funk

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    Of course they prefer their own grads... what country doesn't? But considering they advertise 'heavily' in Aust/NZ (and other countries I'm sure) for doctors... I don't think it would be impossible.

    Living costs may not be as high as you think. Granted, a car is ridiculously expensive. Granted, homes are a little more expensive than what would be nice (although from reading the expat singapore guide, there are special apartments rented only to foreigners at cheap rates - eg $1500 sing/month for a decent 4 room flat that isn't in the wop wops).

    But alot of other things are actually a lot cheaper in Singapore than NZ. Food, public transport, general 'shopping'... as long as you get away from the tourist areas.

    When you compare that with the fact taxes are lower too, it does make Singapore feasible at the very least.

    I'm not looking for an easy life so it's really no concern for me.

    Does anyone have any info as to what I asked above? Are Doctor's salaries restrained... average-ish salaries for specialists?
  6. piu

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    I'm singaporean... anyone got questions ?
  7. pinkfaced

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    You're right, cars in Singapore cost a bomb. Houses in Singapore cost even more. A new car is at least 6 digits and nice condos in good areas can cost 7 digits. However, Singapore has a shortage of doctors.. just like anywhere else in the world. I'd say go for it, doctors make A LOT in Singapore.
    :D
  8. doctor_babe

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    Hi!
    I plan to study medicine in Australia and hopefully get to work in Singapore after. Can you please tell me what the process is like?I mean , after internship in Australia? Or can I get an internship in Singapore right after med school? Thanks!
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    the reason they are accepting other medical degrees is due to the shortage at MO level and housemanship levels...other than that there is an over supply of doctors, esp specialists in the private sector.
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    Housemanship is residency, right? :) You mean, they get you right after graduating rom med school?
  11. Purifyer

    Purifyer Dr. Funk

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    No. I guess the American equivalent of House surgeons would be interns on a 'trial year' ie. no 'sure thing' of advancing and in no particular speciality

    Pinkfaced (and others), how much are we talking about when we say doctors in sg make alot of money? $100k,$200k, $300k sing a year? or more? I'm primarily asking about specialist salary. The general information I had previously was that sing docs tend to make less than australian doctors when cost of living is taken into account
  12. JubJub

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    Hey would anybody know anything about locum jobs in singapore? I'm a new zealand grad currently training towards family medicine.
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    Hi guys, I would also be keen if anyone has any figures about how much doctors earn in Singapore. I'm applying for a job there next year as I too loved Singapore btu haven't been able to find out salaries yet. I'm looking at Senior House Officer/Registrar/PGY2 jobs. Any exact figures and is housing suppleemented?
    I agree Singapore is a great city, vibrant, lively and I was walking the streets at 10pm by myself and felt totally safe- this is fairly rare for a woman.
    Another facotr about Singapore is that much of the training is recognised by other countries- i.e the UK colleges etc which is an advantage if you don't intend to stay forever.
    Have a great day everyone.
  14. Purifyer

    Purifyer Dr. Funk

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    You could try a search of the forums off www.expatsingapore.com I just did a search and the 'ballpark figure' of $8000 SGD/ month (96,000 a year) for a specialist ophthalmologist came up. Other figures included ~$50k US / year for a GP in singapore.

    A bit low if you ask me.. :S
  15. fwchong

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    I am a Singaporean...working in a local hospital.

    there are reasons why our government wants to get local than foreigners.

    Most of our local male doctors have to go for National Service and Reservist and mainly serving as Medical Doctors in the army.

    Singapore is a strategic locations situated in the heart of the SE Asia surroundered by many other countries that may not share our view as Singapore government are always seen as PRO-AMERICAN and PRO-FOREIGNER based policy.

    Imagine a war breaks out, where do you think we can get the doctors from ? Would you as a foreigner doctor stay back to fight and with us and heal our soldiers ?

    Singapore is building up as a medical hub. We need talents and specialist in various functions skills. Singapore would not hesistant to attracts foreigners with these skills however, we would always have the best local to tap on their resources and learn the skills and knowledge and later these locals would be the pillars for establish the department. This is a fact in life, all of us learn and tap our resources from one another. Once someone is too expensive, he is ask to make his way home.

    The salary in Singapore for a trainee doctors start from S$3K onwards. Generally, you will also get some benefits, perks, shift allowances, profit sharing. However, you have to BEAR IN MIND that 20% of your salary go to the government or what is term as the Central Provident Fund where you may never get your money out unless you are over 60 years or if you are a foreigner, you will need to check out the terms and conditions. Therefore, you are left with 80% of your salary to spend on your housing, insurance etc.

    If you ask me about living expenses here. Singapore is describe as the London of the East. We are not bless with natural resources and similar to Hong Kong. We import almost all of our products from neighbouring countries. That is why the cost of living here is high.

    Food is average cheaper than NZ or Aussie but that is if you eat outside at non-aircon food courts or centres. If you eat inside air-con places, the prices will range from S$4 onwards.

    The actual cost of a car is actually not expensive here but the government in order to regulate the amount of cars on the road introduce the Certificate of Entitlement (COE) which are open for bidding to the public. The price would generally be about the same amount as the car. In Singapore dollars, a 1.6L Japanese car plus taxes is about $40K. The COE is about $30K. Total cost of owning a car is $70K. On top of that, you have to pay road tax, insurance tax as GST or value added tax which is 5%. When you drive on the road, you will need to pay for toll fee when you drive through various road.

    Rental of apartments are about $1,000 onwards. You pay for your own water and electrical bills needly to say but generally is affordable as long as you do not turn on the aircon 24 hours a day.
  16. DrIng

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    Thanks for the information...
  17. kosh

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    hello friends.

    I am an Indian & i have graduated from a Indian Medical school & have a MBBS degree.. Iam presently in Singapore.. could u guys please guide me how do i apply for a job in Singapore Hospitals.

    regards,
    kosh






  18. drarchana

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    Hi I am a Indian doctor staying in singapore with my spouse, I want to know whether I have any oppurtunities here. I am not looking for any high salary, please advice

    Thanks in advance
  19. tkdwhiz1188

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    Hi! I'm a singaporean...Foreign docs definately have opportunities here. Juz have a look at the National University Hospital...u'd be taken aback by the sheer number of foreign (largely Indian) doctors. I am not sure if you have to take any other examinations to practice here...but I'm sure u'd get alot of information by contacting the:

    1. Singapore medical Council (SMC)
    http://www.smc.gov.sg/
    [email protected]
    6372-3062 / 6372-3063 / 6372-3064

    2. National Healthcare Group
    http://www.nhg.com.sg/
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    Hi,am in the same boat Archana,I checked with the medical registration act schedule, indian colleges r not listed, but wasnt there some treaty in october 2005 about Indian MBBS being recognised? Any info?
  22. jonjonmd

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    do you need to pass USMLE to practice in singapore? or do they have their own licensure exams?
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    can anyone provide me information on fellowship training in singapore. I plan to take up subspecialty training in pathology later on.

    any info would be a great help
  24. markdc

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    S$3K (Is that 3000 per month or week?)
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    what do u think
  26. Purifyer

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    I like optimism when I see it ;D
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    I'm currently working in the UK and am thinking of moving to singapore. Its a tough decision and I'm not sure what would be the right thing to do.

    Cost issues:
    The pay in the UK for an SHO or MO is £2500-3000 a month and that equivalent to S$7500-12000 before tax (which is 40% here). Living expenses in the UK is quite high in terms of food but the important things in life like a house and car are affordable. Does anyone know what the pay for a registrar would be in singapore?

    Work Issues:
    Due to the european working time directive, the hours you work in the UK is limited. You do not do 24-72 hours on-calls. The maximum is 13 hours and you get a break. You also only do 5- day weeks apart from the odd weekend on-call. I believe the old system still exists in singapore - very long on-calls + 6 and a half day weeks. Can you have a life outside of medicine?

    Training issues:
    What opportunities would be available for training in spore as a UK-trained doctor? Would it even be possible to obtain an AST in a competitive specialty such as cardiology or gastro? What are the opportunities in private practice after training in such a competitive environment?

    Family and life issues:
    In singapore, you can raise a family with the help of your parents and in-laws. You can afford to employ a maid to help out with the house hold. In the UK, as a foreigner, you are on your own.

    Has anyone been in a similar situation as this? What are your thoughts? please share!
  28. priyank uniyal

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    hello... sir..!well im persuing internship here in india...nand im looking for a doctor job abroad after my completion of internship
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    wow more people are asking questions than answering them in this thread haha
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    I have a friend who's father is an anaesthesiologist, and he is fully licensed in Australia and Singapore. He is currently working in Singapore. The way he tells it, is that even though the salary in Singapore is lower than in Australia, with taxes you come out about even.

    It is however very expensive to own a car, as well as a house in Singapore. So if you don't need those two things then it's actually an excellent place to work. For any International students in Oz, keep in mind you can do your internship in Singapore, and still get AMC registration in the end, which you can use for your PR. Might be a good way of trying it out.
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    Why not Hong Kong? The government just raised the salary of public hospital doctors in Hong Kong. PGY-1 (right after housemanship) is going to get $HKD 660000 (US85000) per year!
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    hk and sg are such different countries why did u suddenly bring up hk?
    in sg english is widely spoken by everyone not so in hk.
    sg is also a very different city with many different cultures, languages and races albeit with a large chinese majority vs hk which is almost uniformly hk chinese speaking cantonese.
    other than high real estate prices and being a tiny island they are quite different states :p .
    try starting another thread.

    question for malaysians that commute to work/school in sg is it reasonable to live in JB and work as a dr in sg? that way u can afford a house and car.
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    I am considering moving to Singapore from the US in 4 years after I complete cardiology fellowship. What is life and the job opportunities like as a private general cardiologist in Singapore (focus on non-invasive)? Do you have frequent call and very long hours? Are there any large group practices (that may allow more flexible schedule) or do many cardiologists strike it off on their own with small private clinics. Last I read, there were 70+ cardiologists in Singapore which seemed like a small (and potentially very competitive) market. What is the competition like from surrounding countries in terms of lower prices and services? What are salaries?
    In addition, as mentioned in prior post, can one live in JB and reasonably commute to Singapore?
  34. nidhz

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    hi there.i am new to this forum and would be glad if u could help me.i have a query regarding what exactly housemanship is and what are the prospects in singapore.how long is the duration of housemanship and is it a paid position?
    if u can provide me with any details on housemanship duties and conditions in singaporean hosp.,i would be grateful.:)

    thanks.
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    i've heard a lot of good things about medicine in Singapore.

    i'm from the Philippines and i'm interested in pursuing residency. how does one go about that? thanks in advance for any tips. :luck:
  36. drbhattprashant

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    hi there,
    i have done my MD in internal medicine after doing MBBS+Internship. can anyone guide me how can i go on for working in singapore? do i 've to sit any exam for licensing or i 've to apply directly to hospitals?
    Looking forward to ur time and patience.
    PB
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    There is no exam for working in Singapore as a foreign medical graduate. It is a question of whether your medical degrees are recognised and for specialists whether their specialist qualifcations are recognised.
    Pay for medical officers generally about SGD4-5K/month depending on allowances for overnight work, registrars get about SGD100K/year (what my registrars told me) and I get about SGD250K/year as non-proceduralist.
    Salary includes basic, allowances, housing allowance, and bonuses.
    I am aware that doctors with recognised qualifications are sought for all levels of work, house and medical officers, registrars and specialists.
    You can google Singapore Medical Council and look at recognised degrees.
    You apply directly to the hospitals.
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    Hi,
    i am a paediatrician with 2.5ys experience in my field after post graduation from India. i want to move to Singapore & work there. i have few quiries:

    *do i need to give any exam before trying for a job.
    *Is indian degrees- MBBS, Dch recognised in Singapore.
    *do i need to get registered with singapore medical council. if yes, what kind of registration iy will be- temporary/permanent.
    *salary scale for the doctor with experience like me.
    *should i go directly to hospitals.
    If anyone could guide me it will be great.Any inputs will be highly appreciated.
    thanks & regards,
    Neeti.
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  39. aishjulai

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    presently im doing my medicine in china ..im into my 4th year now..actually i want to settle and earn huge could someone help me with ur experience and guidence regarding my internship and post graduation..my nationality is indian..
    im intrested to do it in singapore what is the process to be followed and which college would be better and can i get stipend if so how much would it be and is the life over there is good to survive and earn a lot ..im mad for money cause i have been through all the stages of poverty...
    someone do post quick replys and give ur contacts so that i can communicate with u..u can mail me to [email protected]
  40. cosycatus

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    okay..let me try to help with the folks here...


    Firstly, as u are not trained in Singapore, any family physician or specialist will be conditionally registered only.You will be "supervised" when working in a hospital. Full fledged specialist in their country cannot practice as consultant ( or attendings ). You will start off as a registrar ( or resident) Unfortunately, you cannot immediately setup a private practice.

    For family physicians ( General practitioners, or GP as we call them that here), the typical supervision period is about 4 years before an endorsement from ur supervisor earns u the full registeration. For specialist it's usually 2 years. Google for SMC singapore registerable qualifications to see the list of specialist certs recognised / or basic MBBS/MD for general practitioners.

    You can also google for Singapore General hospital, tan tock Seng hospital, Changi Hospital to look up the careers section to find people to contact. Generally, it's easier to come here to work if you contact them

    There is no shortage of private GP clinic all around. In any neighborhood, the ratio of GPs to a grocery stores is about 1:1. A survey done in 2006 shows the average net income for a private GP to be about 120K/pa ( sing $$ ). The only issue is that a prior survey done in 1996 show an annual salary of about $120K/pa too. That means that accounting for inflation, GP salary actually drop over the 10 year period.

    Senior GP in government hospital gets abotu 8K/per mth ( but they received a form of compulsory savings contribution and bonus + leave etc, so it sorta evens out with private sector). Of course, the private GP can offer other things, amongst which are aesthetic medicine. Some business savvy GPs also set up practise in young estates focusing on child health. "Examplary" cases of private GPs who evaded $11 million in tax over 5 years was all over the newspapers years ago.
    However the workload is quite different. Gov GPs are overloaded, a few years ago, they reported seeing up to 100 patients a day compared to about 30-40 for private GP. Nowadays, with more graduates and overseas docs, it drop to about 50 patients a day. We are also utilising APN( advance practising nurses, similar to Physician assistants in the US ) that can carry out simpler duties of a GP, ( like take BP, etc). It looks to improve as gov is increasingly
    aware of the need to have a strong primary care force as the population gets older.

    Ok. so with a 10K/per mth pay, what the standard of living like? Cars are expensive, but EVERYONE in this thread fail to mention that public transport here is good( trains, bus, taxis) It's a small place and quite efficient, so you do not really need a car. If you do need a car, a jap made will cost you about 1.2K/mth, which is not too bad at 10%. Food ranges from $2.5 ( YES, $2.5) for the fill up your stomach type to $20 for a simple course at a eatery.
    It's cheap compared to Auzzie and definitely a small % of the income. Housing, unfortunately, due to land shortage CANNOT be compared to auzzie/china or practically anywhere that land is plentiful . 350K can get u a comfortable 110m² apartement in suburbs ( $500K if close to town ).Landed ones start from 1 million up. Security is good, there isn't any issue with walking alone during midnite. Education is sorta good, maybe not the best place
    to bring up a genius, but it's a competitive system that pushes the child to excel. MIT is prolly one of the best uni in the world. Do you guys know per year, more student from raffles insitution ( a local school ) got in ( typically 10-20) that ANy other high school in the world? That says something. And yes, for 2009, 3 local chaps actually top their individual courses at oxford. And how in 2007, a local actually complete an engineering bachleor and a econs PHD in 4 years at MIT ( first time in history of MIT).......the list goes on...
    Oh yes, tax..the interesting question. It's cap at max 20%. For a 120k/ year salary, it's about 4-5K ( google IRAS singapore to check the scale), which is seriously NOT bad at all.

    Ok. the specialist question. There are a few private specialist grop. Glenagles, parkway, raffles medical and a couple of few in the making like Novenna, Jurong medical hubs.
    Well, how much u earn depends on how good you are. There was a minister who was formely a cardiothoratic surgeon in private practise. His reported annual income is about $2million.
    Lasik Surgey is popular here. Legend has said that the most prolifc one do about 30 surgery a day ( 2.5K each ). Work out the sums yourself.
    Ok, for the more typical salaries. The typical private specialist charges about $60-$70 for simple consulation ( not inclusive of meds, test etc). So how much u earn depends on the population that has problem comming to look for you AND how many tests u order ( dun be evil here). I highly doubt any people will come to you with an amputed hand for reattachement if u happen to be a hand surgeon.
    OBGY , well, we have about 30K of births per year. EAch package cost about 1.2K for simple delivery + $500-700 for 10 consulations. Estimate pie for each OBGY is about 100 birth a year ( you also can't schedule more ) ( ya, about 300 of them now) so ur income from this section 100 * 2K. Epidural, complicated births, C sections all increase this.
    Peds, yes, we have about 300 of them here as well. Generally, kids are healthly ( lol) due to good nutrition and very attentive parents. Parents tend to bring kids to GPs first who do a roaring trade with expensive "child designed" medications. Cough syrups that cost 4X that of adult ones...Zzzz

    Ok, dun ask me about neurosurgery, hamemotology , pain med and watever. i dunno as if anyone else will. Lol


    In goverment hospital, the pay varies. The national eye center reportedly pays it's opthamolgist about 40-50K per mth. ( yeah, some public uproar a while back). General surgeons takes about 15-20K.ENT/ortho more. Non procedural Cardo probably about 20K. Inverventionalist definetly more. internal Med like GI, nephrology 15K ( these are all esimates...)
    Don't ask me about radiology etc whatever. i dun know


    And yes, suprise, suprise. I'm not a doctor . I'm an engineer..Lol.

    hope all this help u guys.
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    Pleses tell me where to apply if i want to work as a microbiolgy consultant in Singapore. Did my MBBS In Delhi and post grad in microbiology. my med school is recogonised by smc
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    i inquired a few weeks back with SMC regarding possible registration by a med school graduate whose school isn't in the schedule of medical registration.

    i'd like to share it just to clear up questions (which were very similar to what i had prior to the email).

    there, i guess for my case i'd have to do housemanship, then MO then specialty exams. around 4 to 5 years for a new med school grad i think. :cool: BUT my school isn't on the schedule. so i'm asking if there's a way around it or if it would be a complete NO.
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    in most cases, it's a NO if your basic medical degree is not from a university in the schedule. The way around it is to have a POSTGraduate degree from one of recognised medical colleges...eg FRCP,etc etc...

    Drrose: you need to define what you mean as a microbiology consultant. Do you mean that you specialize in medical infectious diseases? Typically, if i am not wrong, they will offer u a specialist trainee position ( registar) although u might be fully accredited in India. You will have to be supervised for about 2 years before consultant status is conferred. This is because postgraduate qualifications from India isn't recognised here.
    If you mean u want to be a microbiology consultant in the non medical senses ( eg, scientist in the field of microbiology), no issue at all...you just need to find a job.
  45. lax321

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    Dear cosycatus,

    The info u provided is amazing!! thanx a ton

    Can you pls shed some light my doubts?

    Im from India with MBBS (not recognized by smc) and presently doing Post graduation in General Surgery. My wife is studying Ophthalmology. Again our colleges are not recognized. I aim to get further training in Plastic Surgery from Singapore and then work there.

    1. Is it possible to get training in Plastic Surgery for International Students?

    2. Will giving MRCS exam help?

    According to

    http://www.smc.gov.sg/html/MungoBlo...e Postgraduate Medical Degrees _Nov 2009_.pdf

    MRCS will make us eligible for Conditional registration. But According to

    http://www.hpp.moh.gov.sg/SAB/1120458081965.html ,

    Since we are from India we will be considered on a considered on a case-by-case basis. Thus will MRCS really help?

    3. If our courses are not recognized and we are to be considered on a case-by-case basis, can you please give me some idea as to what they would be expecting? eg: IELTS? experience? recommendation letters etc.

    Thank you in advance. Wish to see your reply soon.

    Have a nice day

    Lax
  46. champ1

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    Hi

    Any idea about working as a MO in Anaesthesia in Singapore GH? Is it heavy? How much is the PGY3 doc salary at present in Sing?
  47. Juanitamuliana

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    Hi guys, Once upon a time I went to singapore... there are many medicine make in company............And salary is per hour to include.... so I like this city......
  48. Caringdoctor

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    Hiya,

    I like some info please if anyone can help; I am due for a interview for orthopaedics suregon consultant grade in local singapore hospital. I trained in UK with all the recognized training certificate and degrees.
    What will a starting salary like? Can they offer me consultant post straight away or associate consultant post?
    Any online website i can look at for more info?

    Thanks in advance.
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